Polymer80, Spectre 80% Pistol Frame (Glock Frame) 135.99

[BaniAdam]

These are for pre order to be shipped by end of Jan 2016. They are compatible with 9mm slides and 40 S&W Slides. seems like a pretty good deal for the price.
http://www.polymer80.com/Polymer80-S...me_p_1788.html

[Jack_Bauer]

Steps to finish:

The barrel bridge
The top rails of the receiver
The slide guide rails

http://www.polymer80.com/80-Pistol-Frame_ep_60.html

[Sf911]

if it is polymer, it should be very simple.
but at the same time it will be very easy to mess up as well
can't tell if it is base on gen 3 or 4.

[ramathorn]

The frame won't work for a compact or subcompact build, bummer.

[V8MERC124]

Ive been wondering why there has not been an "80% Glock" frame, but $180 Seems to expensive for injection molded plastic? Even the current sale price of $135 is to high in my eyes. Maybe because its a beginnig production run. High volume units should mean lower production cost per unit. I know getting the mold right in the first place is costly!
I hope it takes off! Great idea! But Ill be a buyer at sub $90 prices.

[SkyHawk]

I'm glad to see this being tried. But the chances of them getting this right on the first try: slim to none. I also don't want polymer rails - where are the metal rails like a real Glock? The metal locking insert rails wont be enough IMO. No freaking way I am pre-paying for Gen 0 on only a rendering, to only save $40 off full list price when they finally show up - and Jan 2016 is probably a pipe dream ship date. I hope I'm wrong, but get back to me when they are on Gen 4+

[Cheung415]

ill be keeping my eye on this one

[Swampcrip]

No video of a working prototype?

[lamduh]

Did anybody pre order one yet? Please post a review.

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[Spyder]

Read closely. Seems like a gamble. They don't even have the thing designed, or the tooling to make them yet.

[phantomfinisher]

Originally Posted by Spyder

Read closely. Seems like a gamble. They don't even have the thing designed, or the tooling to make them yet.

It is designed, kinda hard to start a mold build (which started 2 months ago) without a design.

We have had 3 other presales and the first one we ever did had some challenges but we communicated with everyone the whole way through. The other two since we delivered on schedule, in all cases we delivered.

Like all of our other products this has a lifetime warranty.

Ask anyone who has dealt with us, we stand by our products and customer.

This about as safe of a bet as you can get.

[phantomfinisher]

Originally Posted by SkyHawk

I'm glad to see this being tried. But the chances of them getting this right on the first try: slim to none. I also don't want polymer rails - where are the metal rails like a real Glock? The metal locking insert rails wont be enough IMO. No freaking way I am pre-paying for Gen 0 on only a rendering, to only save $40 off full list price when they finally show up - and Jan 2016 is probably a pipe dream ship date. I hope I'm wrong, but get back to me when they are on Gen 4+

Actually our rails are FAR more robust that the puny metal rails on the standard unit.

We have our casted steel samples bring finished this,week.... I'll post some pics. You'll see that they are substantial by comparison

[phantomfinisher]

Originally Posted by Swampcrip

No video of a working prototype?

The unfortunatel thing about making polymer frames for firearms is that 3d printing is not going to give you a string enough price to do that but we will have a sample off the mold in a couple weeks.

As as possible we will have such a video.

[phantomfinisher]

Originally Posted by V8MERC124

Ive been wondering why there has not been an "80% Glock" frame, but $180 Seems to expensive for injection molded plastic? Even the current sale price of $135 is to high in my eyes. Maybe because its a beginnig production run. High volume units should mean lower production cost per unit. I know getting the mold right in the first place is costly!
I hope it takes off! Great idea! But Ill be a buyer at sub $90 prices.

Every other glock frame on the market is about $200 and that's without a locking Bock which another 25-30 bucks.

https://www.lonewolfdist.com/Products.aspx?CAT=198

Plus considering the upgraded features in the spectre like the flared magwell would cost even more.

I say with confidence this is best deal available for an after market improved frame

[toddh]

I'll be watching.

[firebert]

I like the design. I would like to see a step by step tutorial on milling this before I can commit though.

[k1dude]

IIRC, it would have to be built into a single shot first for Kali compliance.

If so, that's not an easy thing to do. Will Polymer 80 come up with some sort of inexpensive single shot kit?

[Mentiroso]

I'll buy one this evening.

On second thought, I don't need anymore projects.

[pilot613]

tagged, will buy for a sub 100 price tag. how hard (and pricey) is it to get all the necessary parts for completion.

wishing this endeavor much luck.

[DaSik]

subscribed. waiting for some initial results

[Cheung415]

Originally Posted by pilot613

tagged, will buy for a sub 100 price tag. how hard (and pricey) is it to get all the necessary parts for completion.

wishing this endeavor much luck.

How hard? For glock parts? You wouldn't be looking hard at all.... Just about everyone and their sister companies sell glock parts.

[1meanchevy]

Originally Posted by Cheung415

How hard? For glock parts? You wouldn't be looking hard at all.... Just about everyone and their sister companies sell glock parts.

Yeah, but your not piecemealing it together either, you would need basically all the internals, if there isnt a kit, then how much do you have to spend buying each little piece?

[jemfinch]

Originally Posted by k1dude

IIRC, it would have to be built into a single shot first for Kali compliance.

It's an 80% frame. It's not a gun, so there's no roster to circumvent.

[Cheung415]

Originally Posted by 1meanchevy

Yeah, but your not piecemealing it together either, you would need basically all the internals, if there isnt a kit, then how much do you have to spend buying each little piece?

Even then there aren't many internals in a Glock. I'm sure if you went and looked for the OEM parts it wouldn't be too expensive. That is if you wanted to go 80% to build an OEM-less frame-Glock.

edit: After you buy your complete slide with barrel, zev (or other brand) trigger with disconnector and housing, extended mag release and slide lock, you'd be left with only a few pins and springs left to purchase. (I believe they come with their own block) The extra pins and springs cost about $2.50 each so about $20 extra in little parts. In the end you will be paying more.. but you'll be getting a quality Glock thats unregistered!

[antiseen]

Originally Posted by jemfinch

It's an 80% frame. It's not a gun, so there's no roster to circumvent.

For buying the 80%, sure. As soon as you build it while in California you are manufacturing an unsafe handgun. The only way to avoid this is to build the pistol into a single shot bolt action or break top. That's the main change in 2015.

[phantomfinisher]

Build it to be a carbine, use the mechtech upper, and grind the mag release down to below flush with the frame and you have a bullet button, still a ghost gun.

[riderr]

SSE 2.0
Zero rd pinned mag permanently attached via modified mag release. After each shot, the slide locks back, keeping the action open. In order to shoot it again, you have to manually feed the round and then drop the slide. Just curious, if it's a felonious idea.

SSE 2.1
A modified recoil spring that only lets you field strip the gun (doesn't allow the slide to go all the way back). So, a user has to fieldstrip the gun for each shot. That'll be the 100% break-top. (Patent pending) LOL

[antiseen]

Originally Posted by riderr

zero rd pinned mag permanently attached via modified mag release. After each shot, the slide locks back, keeping the action open. In order to shoot it again, you have to manually feed the round and then drop the slide. Just curious if it's a felonious idea.

I don't know, but I doubt it's that easy. Dropping the slide is not break top and would be quite a stretch to say it is bolt action. If that were the case, almost nothing about the old sse would have changed and you'd still have shops doing sse as before.

Ironically, it's easiest to make an ar and ak pistol with this new wording of the law. Blocked gas ports and the ar charging handle becomes a straight pull bolt action. Ak the same.

[riderr]

Originally Posted by antiseen

I don't know, but I doubt it's that easy. Dropping the slide is not break top and would be quite a stretch to say it is bolt action. If that were the case, almost nothing about the old sse would have changed and you'd still have shops doing sse as before.

Ole SSE primarily fails due to the lack of the lowers which never have been used for a semi-auto manufactured handgun.

[antiseen]

Originally Posted by riderr

Ole SSE primarily fails due to the lack of the lowers which never have been used for a semi-auto manufactured handgun.

Good catch, you're right. Forgot about that part.

[SKULS]

Tagged

[Sapperforward]

Originally Posted by firebert

I like the design. I would like to see a step by step tutorial on milling this before I can commit though.

That's where I'm at with this. I'll more than likely end up ordering one at full retail once I see how the milling works and I see a range report from someone.

[9mm1911]

anyone know if these are gen3 or gen4 style?

I'm hoping it's the gen3, more aftermarket support.

[Nrai2020]

Tagged.. Awesome idea!

[fifT7]

Tagging for more info.



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[BaniAdam]

Does anyone have a comprehensive knowledge of the legality's of 80% pistols with the new 2015 SSE changes? can we even buy these in California and build them into a compliance with roster handgun?

I was not aware of the new SSE and the changes until just a day ago.
Just want to know if its possible to build these into Glocks legally.

[V8MERC124]

You can buy any non firearm hunk of plastic, metal, or steel. And you cannot manufacture an "unsafe handgun" the handguns that one can make have to be single shot bolt action or break action. Thats it.

[Bluesami]

Originally Posted by V8MERC124

You can buy any non firearm hunk of plastic, metal, or steel. And you cannot manufacture an "unsafe handgun" the handguns that one can make have to be single shot bolt action or break action. Thats it.

"This bill would instead make the provisions defining and governing unsafe handguns inapplicable to a single-shot pistol with a break top or bolt action. The bill would make this exemption inapplicable to a semiautomatic pistol that has been temporarily or permanently altered so that it will not fire in a semiautomatic mode. By expanding the definition of a crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program."

As long as it wasn't a semi auto when you built it you can make it a semi auto after you make it single shot.

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[Mr.Caketown]

Well ... since its as ugly as a real glock i might have to buy one in the name of science

[phantomfinisher]

Soon we will have pics of the steel locking block with integrated robust hardened steel slide rails.

I hope to have them Monday or Tuesday.

In a couple weeks we should have the first frames and jigs off the mold itself, at which time we will post more about finishing the unit (SUPER EASY TO DO BTW) and shooting several hundred rounds at least.

I appreciate everyone's interest and commit to use this thread to keep all of you informed.

-Loran