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In ~4 months it will be a new year and all eyes will turn to TEXAS which is expected to pass Constitutional Carry!

Antifa and BLM riots will only make more people want to carry for self defense.


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https://thetexan.news/constitutional...s-bill-author/

Other than some RINO leaders, conflict among gun groups and egos it should be smooth sailing in Texas come January 2021....

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Thumbs up MONTANA: GOP Gov candidate promises to sign ConCarry

Gianforte, the GOP candidate for governor of Montana, promises to sign a Constitutional Carry bill.

https://montanafreepress.org/2020/10...and-the-mogul/
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The Senate version of the bill (SB2888) is delayed until Dec 1st in the S. Judiciary Cmte. ...

See: http://wapp.capitol.tn.gov/apps/Bill...=HB2661&GA=111
Just about 2 1/2 weeks to go!

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https://montanafreepress.org/2020/10...and-the-mogul/

Gianforte is now Gov-Elect. Hopefully Montana will become a CC State. SOON
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^^ That is good news. However, they should add one thing to it, as West Virginia has done. There are states, like Virginia, that will recognize any concealed carry permit from any other state that issues them. Good thing, right? Yes, of course; this is how carry permits should be treated, just like drivers' licenses.

But there's one wrinkle. Vermont, the original "Constitutional Carry" state, doesn't issue permits! Of course not; it never have to, since, duh, they don't *require* them for carry in the first doggone place.

Problem: That means that since Vermont doesn't issue permits, Vermonters who visit states like Virginia (and they do) cannot legally carry concealed here. Whoops.

When West Virginia went Constitutional Carry (a very good thing!), they were made aware of this wrinkle and thus maintained the option to issue permits for states, like neighboring Virginia, that do require them. Montana should do likewise.
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It’s almost guaranteed MT will continue issuing permits even if they go ConCarry. No state has rescinded its permit system to date.
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Here in South Carolina we have had a "Constitutional Carry" law on the dockets in the State House for a few years now and they have expired at the end of the legislature session and rendered dead. One problem with our states government is that our state requires all bills to be handled by the politicians so there is no way to allow a bill be voted on by the public. There is a legal term for it but I can't remember it, a handful of states still have this formality.

I guarantee it would be passed by a sweeping majority of the citizens here if we allowed it to be on a ballot initiative.

Only problem is, I've seen how it can also destroy a state like California where you can get idiots to vote in new taxes via ballot initiative and every other dumb thing you can think of. I remember the idiots voting to KEEP the gas tax from Gerry Brown after it was supposed to "sunset"....

I email my state reps frequently to finally finish this and make us a Constitutional Carry State, and hopefully it will happen during some legislative session in the future.
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It’s almost guaranteed MT will continue issuing permits even if they go ConCarry. No state has rescinded its permit system to date.
I fully agree with getting a CCW even if you live in a Constitutional Carry state. My buddy lives in AZ now and he has never got a permit in AZ. I live in SC now and have my permit. My permit is valid in 22 other states and I can Constitutionally Carry in 14 other states. He can only carry in AZ and the 13 other Constitutional Carry States and does NOT get to carry in the 22 states that I can without a CCW. That is why the Permit is a huge value even if you live in a Constitutional Carry State.

Plus, thanks to California forcing me to block my mags when I got my Glock 17, I didn't have to worry when I drove to Acadia National Park and went through Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut and Mass. as long as I unloaded it and put it in the trunk.....
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Actually, the FOPA protects you while going through those states as well if you have the larger magazines...as long as you are going *through* those states, not *to* them...along with unloaded and in the trunk.
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Actually, the FOPA protects you while going through those states as well if you have the larger magazines...as long as you are going *through* those states, not *to* them...along with unloaded and in the trunk.
The feds do not require you to unload the mags, but they can't be inserted into the magwell. I believe there is a California case that says that a firearm is not loaded unless there is a bullet in the chamber, but nonetheless, having the mag out of the firearm is clearly beneficial.
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The feds do not require you to unload the mags, but they can't be inserted into the magwell. I believe there is a California case that says that a firearm is not loaded unless there is a bullet in the chamber, but nonetheless, having the mag out of the firearm is clearly beneficial.
The Ca. "bullet in the chamber" mentioned is a DFW game law. Not relevant for transpo on public highways.

Where a loaded mag inserted in firearm constitutes a loaded gun. Mag can be loaded, but separate from gun.
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Time to lock down this 2020 thread and start a new one re bills for year 2021. I won’t start the new thread, so someone else needs to step up and provide a suitable Opening Post. I’m just too busy helping CGNers apply for and even get CCWs from the LA Sheriffs Dept

ETA: What you need in the OP of the 2021 thread is a link to the OP of the previous year’s thread (this one, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1579069) and embed the RadicalGunNuttery map for the previous year (i.e., 2020) in late Dec or early Jan found at:
http://www.gun-nuttery.com/rtc.php

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Whole lot was moved to a later date 12/1/20 for another committee , so we wait a few more months .

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Thumbs up TX: HB299 (ConCarry) in 2021

Texas Constitutional Carry bill filed.

https://www.gainesvilleregister.com/...1159c5cd6.html

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The feds do not require you to unload the mags, but they can't be inserted into the magwell. I believe there is a California case that says that a firearm is not loaded unless there is a bullet in the chamber, but nonetheless, having the mag out of the firearm is clearly beneficial.
You're correct; I meant unloaded firearm, not unloaded magazine.

Let's hope the aforementioned Texas Constitutional Carry Bill gets some traction. Let's also hope that, should it become law (a good thing, obviously), they continue to issue permits for those other states that still require permitting for carry and have reciprocity with Texas.
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Looks like about a half dozen states will have a good chance of passing it in 2021: AL, IN, IO, LA and TN acc to Dean Weingarten.

https://www.ammoland.com/2020/11/mon...-carry-in-2021
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Article re new ConCarry bill introduced in Tennessee legislature.

https://fox17.com/news/local/tenness...l-self-defense
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Looks like in 2021 Con Carry may finally have a chance in Indiana!

https://www.thecentersquare.com/indi...a602b46d1.html
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South Carolina: An anti is afraid that with GOP gains in both houses Con Carry will pass.
https://www.postandcourier.com/opini...0e41d785f.html
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Texas: Come January 12th all eyes will be on new Speaker of the House Dade Phelan to see who he appoints as Chair of the Homeland Security and Public Safety Committee. They’ll be the gatekeeper determining whether Con Carry has a chance next session.

https://thetexan.news/texas-house-me...chairmanships/

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Utah looking at two options, one during a declared emergency (such as putting the "dem" in pandemic) and one offering full con carry.
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New Utah governor, Cox, says he will sign a Con Carry bill.

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-...administration

FWIW at this time I think our best bets are UT, MT and TX and maybe TN.

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No national constitutional carry... Dems now own the Senate too.. thanks for NOTHING gun owners
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The new head of Wisconsin Gun Owners says constitutional carry is a top priority for them.
https://merrillfotonews.com/2021/01/...tive-director/

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In Iowa the focus this year is on the legislature passing the Freedom Amendment (adding a RKBA to the state constitution), so that the voters can vote on it in 2022.

There should be a Con Carry bill introduced but, if need be, it may have to wait until 2022.

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https://merrillfotonews.com/2021/01/...tive-director/
I seem to recall that Wi is a pretty evenly divided state, suggesting that concarry is a hard bill to pass.
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I try to post all that are trying, even if a long shot.

Even Texas isn’t a sure bet: RINOs are running amok in their state Senate....
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South Carolina: An anti is afraid that with GOP gains in both houses Con Carry will pass.
https://www.postandcourier.com/opini...0e41d785f.html
The issue in SC wasn't the support for Con Carry, it was that there was always a committee or chamber leader that was always against it and would single handedly block it. I can't remember if it was in the House or Senate.

SLED has also been against it (and also against a universal recognition law) and seems to hold a lot of power as well.
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In Iowa the focus this year is on the legislature passing the Freedom Amendment (adding a RKBA to the state constitution), so that the voters can vote on it in 2022.

There should be a Con Carry bill introduced but, if need be, it may have to wait until 2022.
The RKBA amendment in and of itself could easily be interpreted to include at least unlicensed open carry (and perhaps even concealed). But changing the law this year would be welcome as they currently don't have any unlicensed carry.
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Looks like in 2021 Con Carry may finally have a chance in Indiana!

https://www.thecentersquare.com/indi...a602b46d1.html
Just like SC you had a speaker who single handedly stopped any bill from going forward. Hopefully the new speaker will let it get a vote at least.
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The NRA’s top priority in Utah is passing Constitutional Carry.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/2021...islation-filed

Here’s a direct link to the bill (HB 60) and info about its status: https://le.utah.gov/~2021/bills/static/HB0060.html
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Texas legislative session begins tomorrow (it lasts 140 days/20 weeks, until June 1st). They’ve got major issues to deal with (the budget, redistricting and the pandemic), not counting Constitutional Carry. But expect Texas GOP Chairman Allen West to pressure members to also pass controversial “social issues,” incl Constitutional Carry.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01...islature-2021/


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Thumbs up Montana House passes Constitutional Carry!

The Montana House passed HB 102 Constitutional Carry 66 to 31. It now goes to the Montana Senate for consideration.

https://www.fairfieldsuntimes.com/ne...1c2bf00b8.html
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cant read 3 pages, hows this thing going can we get a CCW aside from the LA sheriff yellow state thread?
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cant read 3 pages, hows this thing going can we get a CCW aside from the LA sheriff yellow state thread?
Yugo you are confused: this thread has nothing to do with CA CCWs. You only have to read the OP or even just the title to realize that.

Mr Rabbit, since you’re on my Ignore List all I could see when logged in was that you replied. In the hope that might have done something positive like point out to Yugo their mistake I logged out to view your post. Instead I see that you used their mistake to—by context—imply you know better than the NRA as to what defines Constitutional Carry. Thanks for showing me and the rest of CGNers that you haven’t changed, you’re still a troll trying to highjack threads off topic.

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I seem to recall that Wi is a pretty evenly divided state, suggesting that concarry is a hard bill to pass.
Anti-gun governor. Veto override requires 2/3rds, always difficult. Also, we got ConCarry in WV a year late since the Governor got the bill on the last day of the session and he was able to sit on it and run out the clock. Timing is a factor as well.

There are a few states that only require a majority to override, but I think all the states that are in play for this law have GOP governors who will sign it.
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Looks like Florida will try again with HB123 being introduced.
https://theapopkavoice.com/gun-owner...ikely-to-pass/

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In Nebraska it looks like our side can’t get Constitutional Carry pass the state legislature so they’re trying to get LB 236 passed that will allow each county to decide whether they’ll allow CCing without a permit.
https://www.tsln.com/news/nebraska-s...lative-update/

It will make NE a confusing patchwork of local laws regarding Constitutional Carry. But I guess “part of a loaf” is better than nothing. I just hope they eventually win it for the whole state.
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Utah Constitutional Carry bill, HB60, passed out of House committee on a straight party line vote and now heads to the House floor for a vote.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics...approves-bill/
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