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Joining the LPR club. Howa HCR 6.5 Creedmoor, range report and pictures.
When I heard about the Turners opening in Roseville, I decided to make the trek from my current residence in Lake County back to where I grew up in the Sac area. I had my eye on the Howa HCR and the Savage 10 Stealth, both in 6.5 Creedmoor. I have been wanting a 6.5CM bolt gun for years now, and at those prices, it's hard to say no. Ended up picking up one of each...
But here's the Howa: Anyway I got to pick it up yesterday and put on a 20MOA Nightforce Rail and a 9-13, swapped out the grip for the LUTH-AR Chubby Grip, and put my SWFA SS 10x42 on (still saving for the 5-20x50 HD). Tried out Hornady Match ELD-M 120, 140, and 147 grains, and Hornady Precision Hunter 143 grains. I waited for the barrel to cool between each group and maintained shooting position for each set except the first group, because I was sighting the rifle (perfect second shot correction, yay for MilQuad scope and Mil Reticle spotting scope. First shot (which I actually didn't know she was recording, thought she was looking through the spotting scope.) Groups, in order shot (decided by G7 Ballistic Coefficients in ascending order) 120gr: 1.58MOA 143gr: 1.24MOA 140gr: 1.30MOA 147gr: 1.76MOA PLEASE NOTE: This doesn't necessarily indicate the maximum potential of the rifle or the ammunition. I'm not an expert, though I always aim for best marksmanship practices. this was a brand new rifle hasn't been broken in yet. This is factory ammunition (premium match grade). However these are only 5 shot groups and a very small sample. I'll try to add pictures of the groups and the rifle to the video later. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Beautiful rifle Sir! I too went with the SWFA 10x SS scope on my LRPR per the recommendations of some serious pros that shoot LR at my range. Amazing amount of scope for the money. There is a guy on the internet that sells a return to zero stop shim kit for the scope. Some googling will find him. I use his shims in mine.
Have fun! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Joining the LPR club. Howa HCR 6.5 Creedmoor, range report and pictures.
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Thanks! Try the videos now? Works on my phone and pc. Some bugs with the bbcode that broke the links, but everything looks okay now. Quote:
Thanks! I have the shims actually (: And yes, the scopes are a huge value. I like that I can put one on each rifle. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Heres the shim set. Looks like he has an ebay store now.
https://www.ebay.com/p/Zero-Stop-Shi...e64116ff882bd1 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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That's where I bought them, my quote function just malfunctioned. Thanks! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Good deal Sir. It’s really nice to be able to bottom out your turret to your initial zero without counting or having to look at it. Makes a great scope outstanding.
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They have a 1 MOA guarantee. I also don't have a lead sled to see if it's me or the rifle. I didn't feel like I pulled any of the shots but it's hard to tell. And I don't know if that's what to expect out of the box or after break in. I suppose I could call and ask Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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As a frame of reference. My Tikka was shooting 3/4" with American Gunner 140gr off a bipod and rear bag and I wasn't trying very hard. It shot just over 1/2 with 140gr ELD Match. This was also when it was brand new.
You tried a good variety of ammo so I'm surprised you/it didn't do better. Maybe it doesn't like Hornady. |
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How many shots per group for your 3/4" and 1/2" groups? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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You should also try match ammo. ELD-X is hunting ammo. ELD-M is match ammo.
How did you break in the barrel? Maybe you can find a good shooter in your area to shoot your gun, look over the scope mounting, etc. |
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I don't know whether the "shoot-one-clean-shoot-one-clean" barrel break-in process is absolutely necessary, but I do it anyway. Either way, the first 50-ish shots from a brand new barrel are not good indicators of how well the barrel will shoot after it has broken or settled in. |
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Edit- went out and got an app to measure the groups. I was relatively close with my group size estimates. 100y 140gr American Gunner 100y 140gr ELD Match 300y 140gr ELD Match Last edited by tonyxcom; 05-13-2019 at 4:34 PM.. |
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Tonyxcom, what kind of Tikka is your gun? Last edited by sigstroker; 05-13-2019 at 9:32 PM.. |
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Joining the LPR club. Howa HCR 6.5 Creedmoor, range report and pictures.
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Thanks! I'll give updated pictures once I've fired 29 more rounds. Probably going to look for some American Gunner. Quote:
CHF? Not familiar with the term/abbreviation. I'll clean it before I finish breaking in.
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Cold Hammer Forged
This process produces barrels with very tough grain structure in the steel, very straight bores, but significant internal stress and just okay surface finish. The result is a long lasting barrel that has good but not great accuracy. Last edited by jimmykan; 05-14-2019 at 9:32 AM.. |
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So 1MOA is about what I should expect, but probably not 0.5 or less. With factory ammo? Any probability to get better with hand loads? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Howa, I'm not sure. I've only owned one Howa, and it was a Ranchland Compact with a lightweight 16" barrel, and I can tell you that it was not capable of 0.5MOA groups with the factory barrel. I eventually got it rebarreled with a Krieger barrel, and then it did shoot well under 0.5MOA. I sold that rifle to another Calgunner a while back. |
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I'd figure out what Match ammo shoots the best and stick with it for 100 rounds and see if you cant tighten up the groups. Maybe even let someone else shoot it. |
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Joining the LPR club. Howa HCR 6.5 Creedmoor, range report and pictures.
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I plan to keep this for a good while, so I'll likely rebarrel it in the next 5-10 years, and a Krieger barrel would be high on the candidate list. Quote:
Certainly. I just bought 100rds of American Gunner to finish the break in process. I'll start tracking muzzle velocity and see if it stabilizes, and work on finding a natural comfortable prone position (haven't shot prone much at all). After muzzle velocity stabilizes I'll start shooting the match ammunition again. I figure at $2 a pop I'll be better off not wasting it on break in. And if anyone experienced is in Lake County and wants a go, let me know. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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First off props for you posting real groups. The sub moa warriors on here would never do such a thing.
Looking at how you were shooting id say the gun is fine!!! Work on form and dry fire the heck out of it on your living room floor. Between double bags on the stock, bags under the bipod and I'm guessing its your first pistol grip rifle like this you did fine. Just over gripping the pistol grip can make you spray worse than that. Don't over scrub the barrel, get the carbon out and some not all the copper. Maybe think about a better trigger. |
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