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I don’t worry about my 14yr old using it/breaking it.(great warranty) Also if hunting in terrible conditions Vortex comes out and Swarovski stays home. Options, options, options. |
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My only hunting rifle is a Tikka T3 in 7mm-08 with a mid level ( I can't remembers which one...) Vortex scope. It's a great setup for walking around all day.
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All valid points..
My scopes are vortex vipers, Nikon monarchs and leupold vx2 and 3. Think one or two rifles have pro staff. My tikka started off with diamondback, went to monarch with BDC and now vx3 with cds.
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Agree. If you dig deep into the specs, it seems like they are always about 80% as good as the competition. For example, they usually have a small elevation range for the tube diameter.
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This is an interesting thread. Everyone agrees the end result is a clean kill, but how to get there leads to myriad answers and speculation. Over-all, it's safe to say that the marksman will put the bullet where it has to go, spending as much as he believes necessary to do so.
How and where and what the marksman believes necessary is going to drive the cost of the hunt. Am I wrong?
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Years ago I was hunting UT during the general rifle Elk hunt. I always brought my best rifle with a back up. At that time I had a Weatherby 30-378 MK V that was a 1/2” tack driver but was heavy. My back up was a Remington 700 lighter but was only shooting 3”MOA.
I got tired of the heavy Weatherby after a couple days and started using the lighter Remington even though I knew it shot like crap. Well as luck would have the herd bull and cows appeared- OH I still blame my missed shot on that Remington.(sold it when I got home). My point is small things make a big difference in hunting equipment. Weight tipped the scale in my poor decision. Left with another tag for my collection. |
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My cheap TC .308 has a Viper 30mm on it. |
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Keep in mind that I never said that Leupold or Nikon has never had any problems. I have sent 1 Leupold back for repair that I caused, I fell on it and bent the tube. I also have one Leupold at this time that I will probably be taking off and sending back for repair so yes they do have problems from time to time. I have never had to send a Nikon back. The last thing I want you or anyone else to think is that I'm on a rant about Vortex I'm not. I'm just stating what I personally have seen. If someone gets a good Vortex and likes them then by all means "enjoy". But biased on what I have seen I'm not going to be a Vortex owner at any price level. I'm also in the process of changing out some of my older scopes, when needed I will be replacing more of them with 30mm tube scopes. Extra light is always welcome to my old eyes. Have a great day
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I love Leupold, but I've heard more broken Leupold stories than anything else... I assume because they are used and abused by more people. They have a great warranty where a scope dropped in the rocks or run over by a truck is replaced... but so do Vortex, Burris. Personally, that RT-6 was BAD and I negligently destroyed a Burrs Fast Fire... I don't think there are many scopes that are indestructible. As far as quality and branding... I believe there are Primary Arms Platinums nowadays that are arguably as good as almost anything. Some people compare them to Nightforce and other higher end scopes. No one will compare (as similar) a PA Platinum with a PA $150 scope. Just about everyone makes a cheap line. I seem to have good luck with Vortex and Nikon.
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If you're young and strong, a heavier gun/optic that costs less is fine. When you're older like me, those extra pounds magnify your pain. But usually when you're older you have more disposable income to buy those expensive lightweight guns/optics. But that's not always true. There are some reasonably light guns/optics now that don't cost much at all. It's a great time in history to buy a good hunting rifle.
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I imagine it could also make the scope stronger. For more light something with a 56mm objective and high quality glass and coatings is the ticket. Obviously one pays to play however.
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Yeah, Ruger American is one example. It used to be that light rifles had a bunch of carbon fiber and like that to weigh 5 pounds like the old Ultra Light arms, and cost a fortune. But now you can even get budget versions of the high tech ones, like Kimbers.
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56mm Objectives and 34mm tubes go hand-in-hand AFAIK... not that a large diameter means it is a world class scope... I think my largest diameter objective is a Crossfire II, hahah. $90
Some people actually prefer the 32, 40, 44mm because they are easier to mount closer to bore. |
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Yeah, putting one on an Accuracy International, along with a bipod, and lugging your 17+ pound rig around the mountains hunting must be quite a workout. Assuming anyone does that.
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I love Vortex scopes, but I also completely understand your gripe against them. I have seen a few failures posted in various forums. Personally I haven’t had those issues, but after owning Crossfires, Diamondbacks, and Vipers, I won’t go any cheaper than their Viper line. For my hunting build, I bought a Viper HST 4-16 because for a 30mm tube with a 44mm objective, it’s one of the smallest lightest scopes in its class. IIRC it weighs only 22oz. |
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I'm rich Bit*ch!!
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I had a Crossfire on the shelf forever and wouldn't put it on anything... impulse buy when I got it for such a low price Cabela's special with codes etc...
Finally decided WTF... try it on the 10/22 because the rings I had put it right on the barrel... but i do have a Diamondback 4-12x40 on the shelf now, hahah. My Viper on my TC cost more than the gun after rebate... who gives a rat's *****. if it works, it works. People are so concerned about other people's guns and turn their noses up like girls if the brand isn't right or in most cases here... if the price isn't high enough hahah. Retired a Simmons 44MAG 6-20 - old scope and still works... we will see if i leave that CrossfireII on the 10/22. If I take it off it won't be because of CalGuns hahahah. Last edited by crufflers; 04-22-2019 at 5:41 PM.. |
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I don’t know what you are talking about, here at CalGuns, in order to join to have to be able to shoot 1/2” MOA off-hand. Just ask. This place is chock full of Carlos Hathcocks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Good thread, but my take on this subject is rather simple. Buy the best (scope, rifle, etc.) that you can afford. Spend quality time at the range and become proficient at shooting your rifle from as many positions as possible. Then go out and enjoy your hunt.
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Solid advice!
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/thread. Great post. |
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Or a leupold for $200 and be set for life? What’s better investment? Hope you don’t think I’m rich because I spent $200 on scope. Lol
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I have never bought a Nikon, Burris for as little as $100 or a Leupold for $200... Nikon and Burris more like $200-$350... the Leupold I have wanted for a while is $900. I don't expect a $300 Vortex Viper on a .308 to ever die either. Or a $200 Diamondback. |
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I would love a nice tikka rifle. Maybe one day I’ll flow through on it. For me I hunted with a slug gun for many years. I finally picked up a clearance mossberg patriot in 30-06 for $200. It had a horrible Nikon scope which I removed and sold to my buddy for $40. Then I put a $200 vortex on it. It’ll but three rounds in a 1” group, which isn’t remarkable but for 200$ who can complain?
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Because cheaper rifle will do the same job as an expensive rifle would do and today most cheaper rifle will shoot 20% better than expensive rifle plus some people don't like buying a rifle that doesn't have an scope. All they want is to avoid the time looking for a scope when one comes with the rifle and the money they didn't have to spend on scope can buy them ammo. Most call it cheap rifle but it's really a starter rifle for new hunter or as their back up rifle for some. Remember too... Some people are not interested in hunting but would buy something cheap for rang used OR some people would do an last moment gear up where cheap rifle comes to play where these people goes once in a while and they tend to not care for high end rifle. By this example let said that person is out of state on vacation visiting family members and they asked to go hunting but that person didn't bring any of his/her gears and rifle but needs one for that day so they go out to look for something cheap that they can buy an not brake the bank and could leave it there for the next time visit.
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i try to stay out of these "my guns better" conversations but i just couldn't after reading this....do you honestly believe this?
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Not saying I entirely agree with his statement, but go buy a new Ruger American and a new Remington 700 and shoot them side by side. The post has a grain of truth. I think the more valid point is many of today’s cheap rifles shoot better than most of us need them to. Being able to buy a 1 moa rifle for $400 is a pretty recent development, but it’s not difficult today. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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My personal experience has been that the shooter is a lot more important than the rifle. If I have a limited budget, it makes more sense for me to buy reasonably priced equipment and spend the difference on ammo and practice time (range fees and fuel). Guns are a bit like clothes and cars. You can spend less and still get something that does the job, or you can spend as much as you want if that's what floats your boat. |
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When I was shopping for a rifle in .223, I looked at Tikka--very nice rifles, but out of my price range. I settled on a Savage Model 10 XP with a 3x9 40 Nikon scope.
It's a fine rifle and a great shooter, and the Nikon scope is pretty decent. The setup fits my needs. There's an old saying I first saw on a Whole Earth catalog years ago. It said... Quote:
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Don’t forget all the fun buying the new equipment and planing/looking forward to going. Then all the enjoyment of great memories hunting with family and friends.
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