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Thank gawd I can't afford it. Not without selling some guns anyway.
It looks so cool to be shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor at a mile, decide it's too wimpy, and slide in a .300 Norma Mag barrel.

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Can you afford this one ?

https://www.ruger.com/products/preci...ets/18083.html
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Watch the video. An RPR isn't an appropriate comparison to the AI at all. Not even a little bit.
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you can do this with any shouldered barrel.
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I have an AI. It is a really good Rifle. If I were going to do that hi-end bolt gun again, I would at least research Desert Tech.
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Watch the video. An RPR isn't an appropriate comparison to the AI at all. Not even a little bit.
Why is the RPR not comparable? Can a RPR reach out to a mile? What exactly is different here?

Perhaps you are talking about no comparison on price? That I would agree...
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I have an AI. It is a really good Rifle. If I were going to do that hi-end bolt gun again, I would at least research Desert Tech.
Does the barrel.really swap out that easy ?
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It is a lot quicker to change out/switch the barrel on an AI. only tool is an allen wrench.

I think for the RPR you need to take off the handguard to switch barrels. Also, cannot change calibers like the the AXMC.

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Does the barrel.really swap out that easy ?
Yes, thread the barrel to the action and tighten down with allen wrench tight, then i think 1.5 turns (forgot how many turns after) to torque it down.
Barrett MRAD is similar to this except with 2 torque screws and no need to thread the barrel to the action, it kinda just slots in.

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It is a lot quicker to change out/switch the barrel on an AI. only tool is an allen wrench.

I think for the RPR you need to take off the handguard to switch barrels. Also, cannot change calibers like the the AXMC.


Yes, thread the barrel to the action and tighten down with allen wrench tight, then i think 1.5 turns (forgot how many turns after) to torque it down.
Barrett MRAD is similar to this except with 2 torque screws and no need to thread the barrel to the action, it kinda just slots in.
I get that the AI AXMC allows for easily swapping the barrel, but have you seen the cost of that rifle?

AI AXMC Base Model: $7000 + Additional Barrel: $1000+ = $8000+

RPR Base Model: $1200 + RPR Match Barrel: $1000 = $2200 (heck call it $3000 with additional upgrades like stock and whatnot)

For $6000 you have multiple fully functioning custom RPR's - $2000...

I know it's cool to be able to swap barrels in the field but what else am I missing here?
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I get that the AI AXMC allows for easily swapping the barrel, but have you seen the cost of that rifle?

AI AXMC Base Model: $7000 + Additional Barrel: $1000+ = $8000+

RPR Base Model: $1200 + RPR Match Barrel: $1000 = $2200 (heck call it $3000 with additional upgrades like stock and whatnot)

For $6000 you have multiple fully functioning custom RPR's - $2000...

I know it's cool to be able to swap barrels in the field but what else am I missing here?
Caliber change on the fly. Barrel and Bolt (depending on caliber). As far as i know the RPR can't do that.
With the price you showed with the RPR, you can also buy a custom rifle which will shoot just as well.
And it's your hard earned $$$, spend it where you like. Some like AI, some like RPR. No justification necessary if you can afford it and want it. I would like to have a RPR in my collection one day.

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Caliber change on the fly. Barrel and Bolt (depending on caliber). As far as i know the RPR can't do that.
With the price you showed with the RPR, you can also buy a custom rifle which will shoot just as well.
And it's your hard earned $$$, spend it where you like. Some like AI, some like RPR. No justification necessary if you can afford it and want it. I would like to have a RPR in my collection one day.

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I get it, thanks... For sure the RPR can't handle a quick barrel swap.

I'm just scratching my head as to why this rifle is so much money. Looking at the 3 barrel Kit it's almost $20k... Just crazy money to me is all.
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I’d rather have two custom builds for that price. The AI is cool but damn it’s expensive.
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I have an AI. It is a really good Rifle. If I were going to do that hi-end bolt gun again, I would at least research Desert Tech.
The only ones I've seen are bullpups. I really dislike bullpups. IIRC they aren't really any cheaper than AI's anyway.
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Caliber change on the fly. Barrel and Bolt (depending on caliber). As far as i know the RPR can't do that.
With the price you showed with the RPR, you can also buy a custom rifle which will shoot just as well.
And it's your hard earned $$$, spend it where you like. Some like AI, some like RPR. No justification necessary if you can afford it and want it. I would like to have a RPR in my collection one day.

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For multiple cartridges, do you get a separate bolt? Or just a bolt head?
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For multiple cartridges, do you get a separate bolt? Or just a bolt head?
Just the bolt head

AI doesnt sell barrel kits, as far as i know. Barrett does...every kit comes with barrel, bolt and 1 mag.

Only the AXMC (Long Action) will accept short and long action cartridges. The Short Action AX (AX308) will not accept any magnum cartridges (there isnnt a magnum bolt for the SA).

AI bolts are pricey. A fully assembled bolt runs about $785.
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The only ones I've seen are bullpups. I really dislike bullpups. IIRC they aren't really any cheaper than AI's anyway.
Yes; however IMO if you want something that can be fit into a small case, they are very good for that. But yes, they are not cheap.
BTW, I also have a RPR, in 6.5CM; like it a whole lot, and for the price point I consider it excellent.
I believe that anyone who is serious about intermediate/long range shooting should invest in high-quality glass (optic & spotterw/matching reticle values), some good basic kit, and go take a class from those who have field experience and can teach.
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I'm just scratching my head as to why this rifle is so much money. Looking at the 3 barrel Kit it's almost $20k... Just crazy money to me is all.
The AI rifles are made to a military specification. Commercial sales is just gravy to them.

Compare a genuine AI rifle with a Ruger RPR..... It's no comparison. But it is a lot of coin.
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Oh you meant the other kind.
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Just the bolt head

AI doesnt sell barrel kits, as far as i know. Barrett does...every kit comes with barrel, bolt and 1 mag.

Only the AXMC (Long Action) will accept short and long action cartridges. The Short Action AX (AX308) will not accept any magnum cartridges (there isnnt a magnum bolt for the SA).

AI bolts are pricey. A fully assembled bolt runs about $785.
Yeah, I figured out their product line after lots of browsing their website. Of course I want the most expensive one, the AX-MC.

The barrels are pretty easy to find, and not with terrible prices. Some are "official", made to factory spec, and I think some are made to reverse-engineered specs. At any rate, if I get one I'm not worried about barrel availability.
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The AI rifles are made to a military specification. Commercial sales is just gravy to them.



Compare a genuine AI rifle with a Ruger RPR..... It's no comparison. But it is a lot of coin.
Ahh.. So it's another $100 hammer and $500 golden toilets for the government... I get it - tax dollars hard at work...

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AI or Ruger... again
Ruger is not the same as AI or any where close to AI's league.

It's that same comparison just like a Civic and a Porsche GT3 LOL. Both can get from point A to point B; but you get what you pay for.

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Why is the RPR not comparable? Can a RPR reach out to a mile? What exactly is different here?

Perhaps you are talking about no comparison on price? That I would agree...
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Ahh.. So it's another $100 hammer and $500 golden toilets for the government... I get it - tax dollars hard at work...

:-(
I'm not a AI fanboy, but I do own them. Accuracy International (UK) manufactures only military grade precision tactical rifles. They don't make anything else. I will say they are not ideal for PRS competitions but that's not what they were designed for. Spend some time with any model and you will understand.
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You just want a hot-swap barrel system?

Check out the barloc nut. Compatible with the rifle you shoot today. It's amazing.

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You just want a hot-swap barrel system?

Check out the barloc nut. Compatible with the rifle you shoot today. It's amazing.
Barloc has been pulled from sales due to reports of POI shifts. ARC is working on either a fix or a new version.

I had it ordered with my barreled action, but that's been canceled. Also purchased it through ARC for a Archimedes build...I'll probably return it.
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If I was going to do something like that I would go with the WTO Switch Lug setup.

What's missing from those is the ability to switch from a 6.5 CM using a .308 bolt face and short magazine to a .300 Norma Mag that needs Norma Magnum bolt face, an extra long action and magazine in a couple minutes like in the video.
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Barloc has been pulled from sales due to reports of POI shifts.
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If I was going to do something like that I would go with the WTO Switch Lug setup.

What's missing from those is the ability to switch from a 6.5 CM using a .308 bolt face and short magazine to a .300 Norma Mag that needs Norma Magnum bolt face, an extra long action and magazine in a couple minutes like in the video.
Any long action with a magnum boltface that also has 30-06 bolts available could do that as long as it's setup for AI mags.
Just pin the lug to the action for easy barrel swaps and modify some 30-06 AI mags to work as 308 mags.
Then you use magnum mags and bolt for the magnum and a 30-06 bolt and mags for the creedmoor.
If you put some wrench flats on the barrel outside of the stock and have a barrel channel that will clear your breech diameter, you can do barrel swaps without removing the barrel from the stock.
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Can a RPR reach out to a mile? What exactly is different here?

Unfortunately it can’t. I can’t really explain why though. Unless the rifle is $3000 or more, the bullet literally stops flying at precisely 1137.642 yards. Dead stop. Not slows down and tumbles. But dead stop. You didn’t pay for a mile, it ain’t going a mile.



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Unfortunately it can’t. I can’t really explain why though. Unless the rifle is $3000 or more, the bullet literally stops flying at precisely 1137.642 yards. Dead stop. Not slows down and tumbles. But dead stop. You didn’t pay for a mile, it ain’t going a mile.



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You just want a hot-swap barrel system?

Check out the barloc nut. Compatible with the rifle you shoot today. It's amazing.
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Barloc has been pulled from sales due to reports of POI shifts. ARC is working on either a fix or a new version.

I had it ordered with my barreled action, but that's been canceled. Also purchased it through ARC for a Archimedes build...I'll probably return it.
Most folks have been having a hard time repeating that result. Everyone I have seen who did, got a 1-round-only repeat and was using a barrel nut. My barloc nut uses shouldered barrels.

On the other hand, I don;t shoot matches and am at low round counts, so You can't count on my personal non-experience either.

But I have no issues with the barloc nut and like it.
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Most folks have been having a hard time repeating that result. Everyone I have seen who did, got a 1-round-only repeat and was using a barrel nut. My barloc nut uses shouldered barrels.

On the other hand, I don;t shoot matches and am at low round counts, so You can't count on my personal non-experience either.

But I have no issues with the barloc nut and like it.
just curious, how is this possible? for shouldered install it's the barloc without the barrel nut.

With the Barloc barrel nut, it's pretty much like a Savage barrel install without the shoulder.

Ted the owner of ARC talks a bit about the barloc Post#417:
https://forum.snipershide.com/thread...6922841/page-9

Also, there was one SH member who tested it...not sure if it was you. i don't remember if he had the barrel nut version or shouldered barloc (i think it was the shouldered barloc), but he tested the barloc, and stated that after the barrel being hit, the 1st shot was off, but 2nd shot seemed to RTZ. theory is the conical mating surface re-centered itself after the 1st shot.


Post #95 - He's using the barrel nut.
https://forum.snipershide.com/thread...6926814/page-2

that said, i agree with you, most folks are not having issues. I wonder if this has to do with the threads not mating as nicely....something i believe Randall mentioned (at least about good fitting threads)

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One good thing about the RPR is it now comes in .300 PRC and 6.5 PRC.

I'd still rather have the AX-MC.
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I would like to get the new AXSR, but it's roughly $2250 more than the current AXMC pricing.

You can probably get the AXSR for around $8K instead of the $9K msrp they list. still...really pricey
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Unfortunately it can’t. I can’t really explain why though. Unless the rifle is $3000 or more, the bullet literally stops flying at precisely 1137.642 yards. Dead stop. Not slows down and tumbles. But dead stop. You didn’t pay for a mile, it ain’t going a mile.
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few AXMC at SH FS forum, all under 6k. You can have barrel from 308 up to single feed 37XC (375 cheytac alternative)
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Can't afford 6k either.
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I paid in installments.

Couldn't afford 6k, so I started with a mausingfield action.

Then a nice barrel

Then it was reloading gear, bottom metal, trigger

Magazines...

Now waiting on my stock, 5 months into my wait at Manners.

Time to start saving nickels for the scope....

All said and done, 6k, but strung out over many many many months is more palatable.

That assumes you have the patience not to be shooting your fancy rifle 10 days after you pay for it
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Originally Posted by Whiterabbit View Post
I paid in installments.

Couldn't afford 6k, so I started with a mausingfield action.

Then a nice barrel

Then it was reloading gear, bottom metal, trigger

Magazines...

Now waiting on my stock, 5 months into my wait at Manners.

Time to start saving nickels for the scope....

All said and done, 6k, but strung out over many many many months is more palatable.

That assumes you have the patience not to be shooting your fancy rifle 10 days after you pay for it
I'm not in CA so it could be the next day. OTOH I've got rifles I've had for years and not got around to shooting yet.
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