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Old 12-05-2023, 5:26 PM
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Talking Range trip with my Ruger PC9

I worked as RSO (Range Safety Officer) at the local range last Sunday, so I went early and I took my new CZ83 .380 with me to the range to check function and POI, and decided to grab my Ruger PC-9, too. I haven't shot it in quite awhile, and forgot how much fun it is, and how accurate it is too!

I have the Glock mag adapter, and was using my Glock 19 and 17+2 LEO mags. All shooting done with iron sights, With 115 Blazer brass, it was dead nuts on at 75 yards, and decimated every clay pigeon and major part there of from a casual rest. Loaded one mag of the very hot Federal 9BPLE 115 +P+ ammo (1700 fps from the carbine), and it was dead nuts on at 100 yards, slaying the clay pigeons every time.

I then stood up, and off hand was bouncing pop cans at 50 and 75 yards with most every shot. DANG, there is a reason I use this as my Home Defense carbine. Blew through over 100 rounds before I knew it. The other RSO working with me (who has a Mini-14 that he loves) had never seen the PC-9 before. I let him shoot a couple mags. He was so impressed, he is going to buy one.

Great little piece of kit, it is!


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Old 12-05-2023, 7:11 PM
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Chronograph results of assorted 9mm loads from a 16" 9mm Carbine. The two I use are in bold. this info was posted on the Glock Talk forum by user "Quake"

Bullet----------------------------Velocity-----------Muzzle Energy
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CorBon Pow'rBall +P 100------- 1839.4---------751.1
CorBon Pow'rBall +P 100--------1812.8---------729.5
Fed 115 +P+ 9BPLE 115-----1615.8--------- 666.5
Corbon 115 JHP 115-------------1609.2----------661.1
WWB 115 JHP 115 --------------1505.4 ----------578.6
Blazer Brass 115 FMJ 115----1448.0----------535.3
Corbon 125 JHP 125-------------1367.0-----------518.6
WWB 115 BEB 115---------------1341.3----------459.3
WWB 115 FMJ 115---------------1323.8----------447.4
UMC 115 FMJ 115----------------1311.0----------438.8
Fed Hi-Shok 147 JHP 147--------1147.8----------429.9
Corbon 115 DPX 115-------------1249.6----------398.6
WWB 147 JHP 147----------------1053.4----------362.1
Fiocchi 158 FMJ-RN 158------------907.6----------288.9

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P.S. The photo is of Ruger PCC, PC9 has been out of production for a while now.
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Old 12-06-2023, 7:18 AM
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P.S. The photo is of Ruger PCC, PC9 has been out of production for a while now.
True, but my DROS says PC9
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Old 12-06-2023, 7:21 AM
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I just took mine to the range recently to zero in the green dot I put on it. Very accurate, very fun gun. Glad I bought it. Not hard to go through 100 rounds for sure.
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True, but my DROS says PC9
Maybe your FFL screwed up, I have the same gun and my DROS lists the model as "PC CARBINE"
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I have both the original PC9 as well as two PCC9's. I'm a whore for anything Ruger
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I have both the original PC9 as well as two PCC9's. I'm a whore for anything Ruger
That seems to be an issue for me as well. Thank goodness the family recognizes this, and encourages therapy through broad diversification into other manufacturers offerings.
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I added the midwest industries handguard made me love it more cosmetically
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I would definitely buy a Ruger PCC, except I already have a PC9. It was our Departments answer to the LA bank shootout. So I bought my own.

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That looks really good with the FDE sling!
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I would definitely buy a Ruger PCC, except I already have a PC9. It was our Departments answer to the LA bank shootout. So I bought my own.


Wow it does look like a 1022
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Does the takedown PCC experience any noticeable negative effects on accuracy compared to the PC9?
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I have no experience with PC9. As for my PCC, my red dot is mounted in place of the factory rear iron sight, so the zero stays true. Just a little front heavy
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I like my PCC 9mm so much that it is the homestead defense weapon. I've found that Magpul 27 round magazines work great in it and at a lower cost than factory Glock magazines. It feeds gold dot hollow points perfectly.
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It was our Departments answer to the LA bank shootout
Would you care to expand on that a bit? I am very familiar with the incident, and would like to know how/why your agency ended up choosing that particular weapon.
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Would you care to expand on that a bit? I am very familiar with the incident, and would like to know how/why your agency ended up choosing that particular weapon.
The Cops in that shootout were out gunned. It was decided we should have rifles. All we had at the time were 9mm pistols, and 870's. SWAT had M16's. Military gave us a bunch of M16's. Chief at the time didn't want Patrol Officers having M16's. So the PC9 was a compromise. Maybe they didn't want us having a rifle caliber long gun. That would be my best guess. AR15's would later be approved.
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That looks really good with the FDE sling!
It was free too!!!
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Chronograph results of assorted 9mm loads from a 16" 9mm Carbine. The two I use are in bold. this info was posted on the Glock Talk forum by user "Quake"

Bullet----------------------------Velocity-----------Muzzle Energy
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CorBon Pow'rBall +P 100------- 1839.4---------751.1
CorBon Pow'rBall +P 100--------1812.8---------729.5
Fed 115 +P+ 9BPLE 115-----1615.8--------- 666.5
Corbon 115 JHP 115-------------1609.2----------661.1
WWB 115 JHP 115 --------------1505.4 ----------578.6
Blazer Brass 115 FMJ 115----1448.0----------535.3
Corbon 125 JHP 125-------------1367.0-----------518.6
WWB 115 BEB 115---------------1341.3----------459.3
WWB 115 FMJ 115---------------1323.8----------447.4
UMC 115 FMJ 115----------------1311.0----------438.8
Fed Hi-Shok 147 JHP 147--------1147.8----------429.9
Corbon 115 DPX 115-------------1249.6----------398.6
WWB 147 JHP 147----------------1053.4----------362.1
Fiocchi 158 FMJ-RN 158------------907.6----------288.9

Thank you for posting velocity and ME results, I use some of this ammo in mine and was too lazy to do it myself. Good to know what 16" barrel is capable of.
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Thank you for posting velocity and ME results, I use some of this ammo in mine and was too lazy to do it myself. Good to know what 16" barrel is capable of.
I tested some ammo a while back with pistols and the PCC. The lighter and +P ammo seems to gain the most from the longer barrel. Not as much as I have seen with 357 magnum though.
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The PCC is a ton of fun. I added a magpul stock that was a great upgrade, feels easier to shoot and drops some weight with the added benefit of a tighter breakdown package.

I really appreciate the PCC poi staying rather consistent between different ammo to around 50 yds, by 100yds and futher the velocity changes comes into play much more. It is solid for hits out to 200yds offhand, but it gets tricky in windy conditions.
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Mine shoots everything standard velocity minute of clay pigeon basically the same POI/POA at 50 to 75 yards. With it sighted dad on at 75 with Blazer brass 115s, it is dead on at 100 yards with the hot 9BPLE 115+P+.
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I would definitely buy a Ruger PCC, except I already have a PC9. It was our Departments answer to the LA bank shootout. So I bought my own.

How was this an answer to that LA Bank shootout? Those guys were armored and were being engaged from distance mostly. I guess because the revolver armed police were no match at tall. Was the thought 9mm pistol round with greater magazine capacity the answer? I saw on one documentary, the police went to a gun shop and were grabbing hunting rifles to use on those perps.

Good looking rifle... I like that better than the current PC carbine.

Its nice to occasionally see a LEO cruiser have a shotgun and AR mounted on board. I've seen the CHP bikes with the AR locked in. I also recall in the news a shooting in the cupertino CA hills where there was a pic of a Santa Clara Sheriff Deputy with a really short barrel AR pistol. Pic was in the merc.
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My PC9 stayed home when AR15's were authorized. We could once again "buy our own" get it. Although the Department did actually buy some PC9's, 8 or 10 per duty station I believe.

Department bought no AR15's. So I bought one and went through the class. Department policy stated at that time, these were not to be used as entry weapons, no optics, fixed stock, rifle or carbine, and 20 round mag only.

Oh and Mini 14's were also authorized. Couple of guys in my Patrol Rife Class were sporting Mini14's. They went through with zero issues. Only problem child was a DPMS AR.

Now you see AR's with optics, 30 round mags, carbines with adjustable stocks, and mounted on Motors. Now I want to see an AR mounted on a Harley. Im stopping to get a picture.
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Would you care to expand on that a bit? I am very familiar with the incident, and would like to know how/why your agency ended up choosing that particular weapon.
PC9's also utilized the 9mm P series 15 round pistol magazines. Only had to carry one type of magazine.
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PC9's also utilized the 9mm P series 15 round pistol magazines. Only had to carry one type of magazine.
Not in my case. I carried a SIG P226. The Ruger P89 was Department issued.
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At the PD I worked at in the Seattle area throughout the 1980s, we carried Model 59 Smith & Wesson 9mms. I was also a rangemaster, training officer, and equipment evaluator. We looked at using the Marlin Camp 9 as a patrol carbine. We thoroughly wrung it out. It was a great little weapon, handy and accurate. The only downside was it was a pain to break down and clean. It was like a Ruger 10-22 with a hard on.

It still had a chance, until the chief decided we would switch to S&W 439s to accommodate the women officers smaller hands (10% of the officers). It was a giant step backwards.... Like making everyone wear the same size underwear, which was too small for 90% of the people.

It was there that I fired one of the first Glock 17s in the country, around 1982. We (the training officers and rangemasters) loved it. The chief vetoed it. He thought it was a passing fad! He was an old IPSC shooter, and beklieved firearms should be wood and steel, as God had intended! It was also there where I fired a pre-production sample of the S&W 469 12+1. compact 9mm. That was true love at first sight for me. We wanted them for detectives and plain clothes, but switched to 439s that killed that idea too. I bought one for myself through the S&W LE rep, as soon as they became available. In the 40 years since, I have almost always had a 469, 669, or 6906. I still have a 6909.

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I also keep my pcc as a defense weapon. In the middle of the night, accuracy over a pistol would be the reason i use it.

mine has a red dot on a riser so i can cowitness using the iron sights too. it's heavy indeed or else i'd add a weapon light too.
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How does this weapon compare to the KelTec ?
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Heavier than the kel Tec, a whole different shooting experience.
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I really dig my Ruger PCC, it's much more accurate than i anticipated and holds zero after breakdown. I run it with a Holosun micro-dot, Streamlight TRL, and use Glock mags. I've used a 12 gauge as my secondary home defense firearm since the 90's, last year I switched to the PCC. My main reason for the switch was that my wife and daughter found it easier to shoot and were more effective with it. Mag capacity and compatibility with our Glocks is also a plus.
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