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Old 12-28-2018, 11:41 PM
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Can not be shipped in from out of state, that was all covered at the beginning of this thread. Shipped from in state is still up for debate, I have not looked into much to have an opinion either way.
Therefore, is it still unclear whether I can purchase online from an in-state dealer and ask them to ship the C&R long gun directly to me?
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Not from a seller in another state if your license address is in California.

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Not completely true. If you posses an FFL03 and COE you can purchase a C&R long gun online and have the dealer ship direct to your California FFL03 licensed address. No paperwork necessary to file with DOJ. Just record transaction in your bound book.

BOF 961 only applies to in-state acquisitions of long guns and
BOF 4100A only applies if you acquire a C&R handgun or long gun while out of state

I have already confirmed the C&R long gun shipment to the door compliance with several large out of state vendors.
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Old 12-29-2018, 6:46 PM
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Not completely true. If you posses an FFL03 and COE you can purchase a C&R long gun online and have the dealer ship direct to your California FFL03 licensed address. No paperwork necessary to file with DOJ. Just record transaction in your bound book.

BOF 961 only applies to in-state acquisitions of long guns and
BOF 4100A only applies if you acquire a C&R handgun or long gun while out of state

I have already confirmed the C&R long gun shipment to the door compliance with several large out of state vendors.
Just because they will ship does not make it legal. PC27585 prohibits it, no exceptions for 03 FFL w/COE unless they first take physical possession outside the state and then import it.

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(a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015, from outside of this state unless he or she first has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.
And plenty of out of state sellers are getting wise and will no longer ship C&R long guns here.
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As SkyHawk said, the penalty is on you as the law is currently written. Out of state sellers may be willing to ship to you but others may not want to assist you in breaking the law in California.

The bill that created this issue originally exempted such transactions but it was amended before passage, seemingly in violation of the stated intent of the Legislature. It is a lot harder to undo something once it is done but this is one situation that really calls for some concerted action ... only no one seems to care.

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Just because they will ship does not make it legal. PC27585 prohibits it, no exceptions for 03 FFL w/COE unless they first take physical possession outside the state and then import it.



And plenty of out of state sellers are getting wise and will no longer ship C&R long guns here.
I stand corrected. Thanks SkyHawk. After reading the PC sections over again for the umpteenth time I can see I got tripped up over section 27565....

PC27585 (continued):

(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect any of the following:

(1) A licensed collector who is subject to and complies with Section 27565.

PC27565:

(3) The licensed collector acquires, outside of this state, a handgun, and commencing January 1, 2014, any firearm.

(4) The licensed collector takes actual possession of that firearm outside of this state pursuant to the provisions of subsection (j) of Section 923 of Title 18 of the United States Code, as amended by Public Law 104-208, and transports the firearm into this state.

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Its not listed on the first page, but it seems to me that selling ammo face to face with a buyer that has an FFL03 and Coe would be legal without using a licensed ammo vendor as long as the seller doesnt exceed 500 rounds per 30 days. Is that correct?
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And I would add one more question: Does an FFL03 + COE allow the online and ship to door of ammo to cities like Sacramento or LA?
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What does COE stand for / mean ?
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Good afternoon CalGunners,

Hope someone can provide some insight. I applied for my COE/FFL03 just before the shut down. Early November.. Got my COE rather quickly but the FFL03 hasn’t arrived. Could the shutdown be the cause being that ATF is also shut down?
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Good afternoon CalGunners,

Hope someone can provide some insight. I applied for my COE/FFL03 just before the shut down. Early November.. Got my COE rather quickly but the FFL03 hasn’t arrived. Could the shutdown be the cause being that ATF is also shut down?
From what I have heard, yes, those that process the licenses are not there.
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Good afternoon CalGunners,

Hope someone can provide some insight. I applied for my COE/FFL03 just before the shut down. Early November.. Got my COE rather quickly but the FFL03 hasn’t arrived. Could the shutdown be the cause being that ATF is also shut down?
Before the shutdown normal processing time was about 60 days for 03 FFL.
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From what I have heard, yes, those that process the licenses are not there.
Yep... I just called the IRS about some info on a piece of property they are auctioning off. Got the message recorder saying they are not there due to the shut down.... So if it has anything to do with the gov.... they are on vacation.
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And I would add one more question: Does an FFL03 + COE allow the online and ship to door of ammo to cities like Sacramento or LA?
No. A 03FFL+CoE does not override local ammo shipping laws. Get a UPS Mailbox (or similar) outside of a local ammo shipping restriction zone and add that address to your 03FFL as "alternate address". Once it's listed on your 03FFL, you may have ammo shipped to that address.

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will their be any benefits to having a coe and ffl 03 once the july 2019 law takes place?
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Before the shutdown normal processing time was about 60 days for 03 FFL.
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I called ATF and to my surprise got a hold of a rep in less than 5 mins after going through the options to talk to someone about a pending license. Gave them my SS to look up my info and they confirmed they had it and it was pending approval. I asked how long and the rep told me she couldn’t give me a time line but soon she said. So assuming the 60 days processing times I should have my license in 2 months or less.
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will their be any benefits to having a coe and ffl 03 once the july 2019 law takes place?
Yes. The same benefits as now, plus, if you aren’t in AFS for the background check, the COE confirmation will cost $1.00 and be “instant” vs. the single confirmation of $19 and waiting days until it clears.
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will their be any benefits to having a coe and ffl 03 once the july 2019 law takes place?
If H.R. 8 somehow gets passed all the usual benefits of an FFL03 will be eliminated but for Californians with a COE it will only be useful for buying ammo and nothing else.

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Thanks , I asked that at the last cow palance gun show .
Was told same thing by 2 people - others did not know .
I will wait till August to get mine .
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Thanks , I asked that at the last cow palance gun show .
Was told same thing by 2 people - others did not know .
I will wait till August to get mine .
Tony..HR 8 is a proposed piece of federal legislation which has just been introduced. It has to get passed through the House, then approved by the Senate and then be signed by the President. It has nothing to do with FFL + COE in California and the existing CA laws on ammunitition which go into effect on July 1, 2019.
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Thanks , this is all confusing to me [ and probably others ]
I was considering getting the ffl 3 for powder / bullets etc .
I don't really consider my self a collector - if I want a gun , it would
be new or at least not 50 years old .
While I do want an M-1 and an M-14 , there are to many others for
less money and probably in better shape .
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Thanks , this is all confusing to me [ and probably others ]
I was considering getting the ffl 3 for powder / bullets etc .
I don't really consider my self a collector - if I want a gun , it would
be new or at least not 50 years old .
While I do want an M-1 and an M-14 , there are to many others for
less money and probably in better shape .
Reloading components aren’t controlled by the ammo laws unless you’re a prohibited person.
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Reloading components aren’t controlled by the ammo laws unless you’re a prohibited person.
In which case you would not be able to get either an FFL03 or a COE ...

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I called ATF and to my surprise got a hold of a rep in less than 5 mins after going through the options to talk to someone about a pending license. Gave them my SS to look up my info and they confirmed they had it and it was pending approval. I asked how long and the rep told me she couldn’t give me a time line but soon she said. So assuming the 60 days processing times I should have my license in 2 months or less.
Sent my renewal in mid Dec, got the new one last week.
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