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Old 01-13-2022, 11:15 PM
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Default Bolt action rifle with iron sight

Thinking about getting a bolt action rifle in 308 or 6.5 Creedmoor. Must have iron sights from factory. Detachable mag. Budget is $1K to $1.5K for the rifle.

Have a CZ 527 7.62x39 and love it. Want something with more energy. Thanks
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Old 01-14-2022, 12:13 AM
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Might be a little over your stated budget but: Sako 85

https://choose.sako.fi/usa

Otherwise, Ruger Gunsite Scout?
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Old 01-14-2022, 12:59 AM
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Shot ruger gunsite scout 308 before, don't remember the bolt was particular smooth.

Thinking about a Tikka Battue or a used Arctic if I can find one
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Old 01-14-2022, 9:16 AM
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Have you considered after market sights? There's really nice ones out there...

What is your purpose? Target, competition, hunting? Keeping irons as backup to scope?
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I have a Stevens 200 (Savage 110) .30-06 with open sights (Big 5 special run), you may be able to dig one up for cheap and add a bottom metal.
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Old 01-14-2022, 11:46 AM
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I was going to suggest Mossberg MVP, but then I saw you have more money to spend than that. Congrats.
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Shot ruger gunsite scout 308 before, don't remember the bolt was particular smooth.
That was not a requirement you listed in your first post.
If you want a smooth bolt, are going to be limited in your options with factory iron sights.
I suggest a Remington 700 BDL:
https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-.../model-700-bdl

You can also expand your choices by buying a rifle with a smooth bolt and then having iron sights added to the barrel by a gunsmith.
Should not cost much more than a couple hundred bucks unless you want some very fancy sights.
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Lots of good mil surplus bolt action rifles with good iron sights but not in those calibers. Spanish FR8 mauser carbine in 7.62 NATO ?
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Old 01-14-2022, 12:47 PM
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That was not a requirement you listed in your first post.
If you want a smooth bolt, are going to be limited in your options with factory iron sights.
I suggest a Remington 700 BDL:
https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-.../model-700-bdl

You can also expand your choices by buying a rifle with a smooth bolt and then having iron sights added to the barrel by a gunsmith.
Should not cost much more than a couple hundred bucks unless you want some very fancy sights.
Remington also lists this Model 7, in .308.
https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-...seven-laminate
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I have a beautiful Winchester Model 70 in .308 Winchester with the factory open sights. I learned to shoot open sights in the Marines and consider myself good. That said, I hate the factory sights on my Winchester. I highly recommend looking for quality aftermarket sight. At least for the rear.
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CZ made the 550 in .308 with iron sights. Nice rifle. How about a Henry Long Ranger in 6.5CM? Made in USA and there is a version with sights.


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+1 for the Tikka
Also check out the Weatherby Vanguard - made by Howa in Japan. Very smooth action and good trigger.
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That was not a requirement you listed in your first post.
If you want a smooth bolt, are going to be limited in your options with factory iron sights.
I suggest a Remington 700 BDL:
FWIW a 700 will become *lot* smoother by lapping the lugs. You need to decide for yourself if the small change in headspace is worth it.
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might also help to know what type of iron sights you prefer, and if you intend for them to be the primary or backup sighting option? are you wanting to us a scope too, and if so, do the iron sights and scope need to both be on the rifle at the same time?

Most bolt rifles come with open sights with the rear sight mounted to the barrel to allow for the scope to be used at the same time. not the best sight option, but not the worst either.

The only rifles I know off off the top of my head that have better sights (subjectively of course) is the Ruger Scout (308 only, but within your price) and the Tikka Arctic (308 only last I checked, not always available and outside your price range).

another option is to first decide what type of iron sights you want as your first option, see what is available in the after market, then use that to narrow down the rifle you want. This would eliminate being limited to just what the rifle manufacturers are offering.
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That was not a requirement you listed in your first post.
If you want a smooth bolt, are going to be limited in your options with factory iron sights.
I suggest a Remington 700 BDL:
https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-.../model-700-bdl

You can also expand your choices by buying a rifle with a smooth bolt and then having iron sights added to the barrel by a gunsmith.
Should not cost much more than a couple hundred bucks unless you want some very fancy sights.
Have any pics of a R700 with irons?
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Have any pics of a R700 with irons?
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Remington also lists this Model 7, in .308.
https://www.remarms.com/rifles/bolt-...seven-laminate
I was going to mention that. Cool little rifle but I thought they quit making them.
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I was going to mention that. Cool little rifle but I thought they quit making them.
Remington Arms quit making everything when it ceased to exist.
The new owners have started Remarms and the www.remarms.com is their new website.
I have no reason to think that the products on the new website might not be available at some point in the future as the new company sets up production lines again.

The Model 7 follows the same workflow of 700's with just a few dimensions being shortened to make the action shorter than a short action 700 reciever.
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Here's one with some GOOD irons.
A little hard to see, but a Warner Mid Range rear with Gheman iris, and a Tompkins front planted on an early PSS .308 with 24" barrel.




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Old 01-15-2022, 10:58 AM
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Lots of good info. Thanks. Won't reply one by one.

The goal is shoot with Iron sights. Thus adjustable and good sight picture are important. Low profile is a plus for carry. So is stainless for weather resistantance but not mandatory.
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I know theyíre a little cheaper than your price range, but if you have either a LR-308 or an M1A, look at the Mossberg MVP. They can use mags from either LR-308 or M1A.

It looks like the ones with iron sights only have a 16 1/4 inch barrel though. Not sure if thatís a deal breaker or not.

I have a Thunder Ranch edition that has an 18.5 inch barrel. Itís more accurate than I am. Itís fed flawlessly fromof Magpul mags, DPMS mags, and M1A mags. Unfortunately, Mossberg discontinued this model but you might be able to find a used one.
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Kind of surprised nobody has mentioned Zastava Arms yet. To my recollection they still sell M70 bolt-action rifles with irons on them, and I know they offer it in .308 Winchester.

Don't know about 6.5 Creedmoor though, and I'm unsure if they offer any models with a detachable magazine.
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Lots of good info. Thanks. Won't reply one by one.

The goal is shoot with Iron sights. Thus adjustable and good sight picture are important. Low profile is a plus for carry. So is stainless for weather resistantance but not mandatory.
Most factory irons on bolt guns don't have an especially good sight picture, just a bead in a U notch. AR's have a better sight picture.
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Kind of surprised nobody has mentioned Zastava Arms yet. To my recollection they still sell M70 bolt-action rifles with irons on them, and I know they offer it in .308 Winchester.

Don't know about 6.5 Creedmoor though, and I'm unsure if they offer any models with a detachable magazine.
Zastava 22LR has iron sights. I haven't seen center fire calibers with iron sight though.
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Zastava 22LR has iron sights. I haven't seen center fire calibers with iron sight though.
https://zastavaarmsusa.com/product/s...-rifle-lk-m70/

I mean, they physical page for their M70 bolt-action rifle lineup shows they come with irons.
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https://zastavaarmsusa.com/product/s...-rifle-lk-m70/

I mean, they physical page for their M70 bolt-action rifle lineup shows they come with irons.
Interesting. Thanks
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the problem you are going to have is that unless you want something more than a 3-5 round proprietary magazine you are pretty much going to have to restock and/or change the bottom metal & most of the iron sights that are out there, while usable, are pretty basic... which is going to lead you back to the Ruger Scout rifle

I haven't looked but I seem to recall CZ coming out with something in their new 600 series that may fit the bill as well but I don't think that it is out yet
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Back in the day I had a 70s vintage short action Winchester 70 in .308 that I put a peep Lyman type sight on it (it was factory set up for this sight) and a stripper clip guide that attached at the pre drilled holes for a scope mount. I also rigged up a rear handguard from a #4 Lee Enfield and attached it with the handguard ring from a #4 and then put screws down into the barrel screw holes for the rear factory sight. It was a pretty slick firearm. You could probably find a 70s vintage similar M70 used on Gun Broker. I don't remember who made the aluminum clip guide. Wish I had kept that rifle!
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... I don't remember who made the aluminum clip guide.

Jack Davis or Mo Defina. Others made them too. Short action M70's were THE rifle across the course for a little while. My 700 in a few posts above is clip slotted also, by Jack as he was teaching me to do it. Having that feature sure makes a rifle interesting.



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