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Old 01-11-2022, 2:12 PM
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Default San Diego County Supervisors Vote to Ban ‘Ghost Guns'

New ordinance on its way banning "Ghost Guns" unserialized parts, 3d printing gun parts, and requiring universal "safe storage" in San Diego County.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...oposal/2751662

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In a 3-2 vote, the county leaders' decision green lights a measure introduced by Board of Supervisors Chair Nathan Fletcher and Supervisor Terra Lawson-Remer to prohibit guns and parts without serial numbers. It also includes the creation of community-based gun reduction programs and safe firearms storage.

Before the measure goes into effect, an ordinance will be created and returned to the Supervisors in 90 days that defines what a ghost gun is, prohibits the possession or distribution of unserialized parts used in the creation of them, bans 3D printing of unserialized firearms or parts and updates safe firearm storage standards.
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Old 01-11-2022, 5:25 PM
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Can county supervisors legally create and enforce gun laws?
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Old 01-11-2022, 5:27 PM
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How are they going to enforce this when other than the frame, most parts of a firearm are not serialized? If your gun breaks, do you have to buy a new one because you can't buy the parts?
Idiots.
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Old 01-11-2022, 5:30 PM
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will have to see what the wording ends up as. Most likely, it won't make any sense and be overly vague. Either that means someone challenges it and it'll get dumped, or they won't be able to actually enforce in any way except for those rare cases where it's an enhancement because they catch some felon running a homebuild shop for his fellow gang members (meaning someone who's already breaking existing firearm laws).
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Lawyers love and benefit from all this madness...
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Good grief, they try to ban everything here in California, instead of focusing on more important and bigger issues at hand...
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Good grief, they try to ban everything here in California, instead of focusing on more important and bigger issues at hand...
what could be more important than banning something that's already banned at the state, and city level?
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what could be more important than banning something that's already banned at the state, and city level?
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They will get around to enforcing this right after they round up all the Antifa rioters, built thousands of low cost beach properties and give free medical to all the illegal aliens.
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Just saw this on the news. House fire at Supervisor Fletcher's home https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-...than-fletcher/
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Just saw this on the news. House fire at Supervisor Fletcher's home https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-...than-fletcher/
It is being suggested that it was arson.
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Most of what they are suggesting is nullified by State pre-empion laws on firearms. They can enforce certain laws prohibiting sales or supposed nuisance stuff, but not these more infringing matters on ownership/possession.

Their other nonsense is in duplicating State law; wasting their constituents' taxes.

Has no teeth. Virtue signalling nonsense.

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What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?
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Most of what they are suggesting is nullified by State pre-empion laws on firearms. They can enforce certain laws prohibiting sales or supposed nuisance stuff, but not these more infringing matters on ownership/possession.

Their other nonsense is in duplicating State law; wasting their constituents' taxes.

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I read the entire article in the UT on this. And, I still had no idea what they could have been thinking. Even in a simple Glock there are over 50 parts. Did the Supervisors really think that all 50 of them have serial numbers?

And what about some random spring? If it breaks, I cannot buy a spring because it does not have a serial number? Or... Should all the springs have serial numbers???

I know that it is clearly crazy to us. But I am at a loss about how this was not crazy to ALL of them...

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I read the entire article in the UT on this. And, I still had no idea what they could have been thinking. Even in a simple Glock there are over 50 parts. Did the Supervisors really think that all 50 of them have serial numbers?

And what about some random spring? If it breaks, I cannot buy a spring because it does not have a serial number? Or... Should all the springs have serial numbers???

I know that it is clearly crazy to us. But I am at a loss about how this was not crazy to ALL of them...

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home depot better serialize every single small screw, pin, and spring, pipe, block of wood, nail...
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I can't seem to find the text of what they actually passed anywhere, but the last version I saw only had language regarding serializing frames/receivers, despite all the vague descriptions in the news about "parts".

On a related note, I saw a discussion from Michael Schwartz of SDCGO who said that this new law only applied in unincorporated areas of the county, not in cities. That seems quite odd and unlikely to me. Could that be true?
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Lawyers love and benefit from all this madness...
Yes, and government officials don't pay for anything related to their efforts, but gun owners do so it easy to see the long game.

When you pay the dog walker to walk your dog just so it can poop in your yard and then you have to pick it up too you lose both ways.
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The Ord was approved, but I can't seem to find a copy of the actual ordinance

https://timesofsandiego.com/politics...gun-ordinance/

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I read the entire article in the UT on this. And, I still had no idea what they could have been thinking. Even in a simple Glock there are over 50 parts. Did the Supervisors really think that all 50 of them have serial numbers?

And what about some random spring? If it breaks, I cannot buy a spring because it does not have a serial number? Or... Should all the springs have serial numbers???

I know that it is clearly crazy to us. But I am at a loss about how this was not crazy to ALL of them...

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These people have no practical knowledge of firearms. All they know is from the news or a hired "consultant". If you were to ask them what is a ghost gun, they would tell you about a full auto death machine that was purchased off eBay.

Does every part have a serial number? According to them, yes. Again, they don't know. Remember when they were banning +10 magazines somewhere, and there was that lady that said "when these things are used up, they'll no longer be a threat". She actually thought that mags were a one time use commodity, and that if their manufacture and sale were banned, no one would have them anymore.
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