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Old 07-04-2019, 5:19 PM
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Default Larue MBT-2S Trigger Users....What Safety Selector Switch Are You Using?

On my featureless AR, I currently have a Resurgent Arms extended safety selector switch. I was going to swap out my trigger to the Larue MBT-2S, but a note on Resurgent Arms site says their safety is NOT compatible with the MBT-2S trigger ( I don’t know the whys of it).


So which safety selector switch (extended? ambi?) are you MBT-2S guys using on your featureless rifles? Any reach problems with your thumb? Or ambi?

I guess I could just go back to the OEM safety switch and use my left hand to operate the safety, if I had to........


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I have mostly only but the DPMS is not bad. Up makes a nice one but I also use it with a JP trigger. The Larue make a decent duty trigger. I have four of them.
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All of my ARS have a LaRue trigger oh, and they all have a standard safety, with no issues.
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I like the one piece drop in triggers and ALL of my ar’s rock push button safety’s. My preference
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All of my ARS have a LaRue trigger oh, and they all have a standard safety, with no issues.


So you just use your left hand to actuate the safety?

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Used a Radian Arms Talon 45 safety on my LaRue trigger and it worked great.
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Used a Radian Arms Talon 45 safety on my LaRue trigger and it worked great.

Interesting....I went to the Optics Planet site to check out this Radian safety switch.

The first reviewer also noted he switched to the Radian because he was also installing a Larue MBT trigger.......

Is your setup featureless? Can you reach the safety with your thumb, or do go with the ambi?


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Interesting....I went to the Optics Planet site to check out this Radian safety switch.

The first reviewer also noted he switched to the Radian because he was also installing a Larue MBT trigger.......

Is your setup featureless? Can you reach the safety with your thumb, or do go with the ambi?


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I have ten dollar ambi safeties from ebay for all my rifles, including those with MBTs. Work great.
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Yes when necessary, my left hand also charges my AK charging handle, I guess I'm just used to it. Not seeing a complication here.
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Yes when necessary, my left hand also charges my AK charging handle, I guess I'm just used to it. Not seeing a complication here.

No, I agree there....maybe just a practice issue.

So, maybe almost all safeties work EXCEPT the Resurgent Arms safety that I just happen to have

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I have MBT with Battle arms short throw as well as Magpul 60 degree.
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JoeBob's ambi safety. The selector on the right side has a cutout so it's somewhat flat and doesn't get in the way of your finger. For $15 it's hard to beat.

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I'm using the Radian Talon 45/90 ambi safety with the right side selector reversed on my rifle with the MBT-2S installed.

I'm using the Exhile Backfin + MIAD as my featureless grip on that particular rifle, have no problem manipulating the selector with my thumb in reversed config.
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JoeBob's ambi safety. The selector on the right side has a cutout so it's somewhat flat and doesn't get in the way of your finger. For $15 it's hard to beat.

https://www.joeboboutfitters.com/JBO...mbi-safety.htm
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This probably isn't helpful, but just for the sake of adding another data point:

I use the regular USGI safety, since I'm one of those darned lefties, so it's actually perfect for a featureless/grip-fin rifle. Works great, never a problem.
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On my featureless AR, I currently have a Resurgent Arms safety selector switch. I was going to swap out my trigger to the Larue MBT-2S, but a note on Resurgent Arms site says their safety is NOT compatible with the MBT-2S trigger ( I don’t know the whys of it).
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So this is the extended-length safety switch, offered because the Resurgent Arms grip places the hand too far back to work a 'normal' safety lever with the trigger-hand thumb, correct? You have not said it yet, I don't think, but are you also using the RA grip? And if so, are you asking about other extended safeties that will work? If so, it will help to let people know that you're looking for an extended safety like the RA.

Otherwise, if you just have a paddle type thing over a standard grip, then all you'd need is any old ambi-safety I would assume. Except the RA safety of course.

FYI, this is what I'm picturing you have, below. So any kind of standard safety lever would be way out of reach, and as you say you'd need to operate the safety with your left hand (assuming rt handed shooting of course):

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^^^ This x 5 so far... ^^^ Used with 1 x Sparrow Dynamics Grip and 4 x Thordsen Gen III...

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So this is the extended-length safety switch, offered because the Resurgent Arms grip places the hand too far back to work a 'normal' safety lever with the trigger-hand thumb, correct? You have not said it yet, I don't think, but are you also using the RA grip? And if so, are you asking about other extended safeties that will work? If so, it will help to let people know that you're looking for an extended safety like the RA.

Otherwise, if you just have a paddle type thing over a standard grip, then all you'd need is any old ambi-safety I would assume. Except the RA safety of course.

FYI, this is what I'm picturing you have, below. So any kind of standard safety lever would be way out of reach, and as you say you'd need to operate the safety with your left hand (assuming rt handed shooting of course):


EXACTLY THAT, thanks ......I have a Resurgent Arms featureless grip and that safety (V1). RA says the MBT trigger won’t work with their safety.

Yes, 1) a different extended left-side thumb safety would be best....as long as it would work with a MBT trigger. 2) Or I’d go with an ambi and operate it right-sided. 3) Or back to the OEM mil-spec and operate it left-handed.


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^^^ Okay. That was my suspicion. I don't think most people realized this because they were offering alternatives that would obviously work with the trigger but would not be too friendly with a Resurgent grip.

How do you like it, by the way? The grip I mean.
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Rereading this thread I did not intend for my post to come across this snarky, if it did that was not my intention. I have always just been one to deal with what I have available at the time, and just be used to it. There is nothing wrong with finding what suits you when it comes to firearms.
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^^^ Okay. That was my suspicion. I don't think most people realized this because they were offering alternatives that would obviously work with the trigger but would not be too friendly with a Resurgent grip.

How do you like it, by the way? The grip I mean.

I like the grip, as far as having to go featureless.....it feels decent, mostly comfortable, and looks passable. I have a fin grip on my Scorpion, that style sucks to me.....

Stuck with featureless, the only real negative is the irritation from the castle nut endplate on the web of the thumb. RA gives you thick rubber bands to cover over the castle nut (though I seem to have misplaced them ). There is a nice contoured endplate available from RA, but haven’t decided on buying yet.

Now debating on pursuing the aftermarket trigger or not


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Rereading this thread I did not intend for my post to come across this snarky, if it did that was not my intention. I have always just been one to deal with what I have available at the time, and just be used to it. There is nothing wrong with finding what suits you when it comes to firearms.

No prob....actually made me calm down and rethink things, lol

Guess I don’t really care too much, even if I end up with the OEM and actuate it left-handed. Just bench shooting vs. friends for bragging rights, lol.

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Hmmm the safety shouldn’t change with the trigger, I use milspec safety on Timney, CMC, RRA, etc....only time I had issues was with an 80 percent lower I screwed up the .375” hole center and the trigger bar was hitting the safety selector flat not allowing the disconnector to hand off to the hammer. You can grind the trigger bar just slightly to correct and give more space if you have an out of spec lower issue from ripping too hard on a Bridgeport.
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Hmmm the safety shouldn’t change with the trigger, I use milspec safety on Timney, CMC, RRA, etc....only time I had issues was with an 80 percent lower I screwed up the .375” hole center and the trigger bar was hitting the safety selector flat not allowing the disconnector to hand off to the hammer. You can grind the trigger bar just slightly to correct and give more space if you have an out of spec lower issue from ripping too hard on a Bridgeport.


The issue is Resurgent Arms says THEIR safety won’t work with a Larue MBT trigger.

I don’t want to grind anything involving the safety or trigger.......

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The issue is Resurgent Arms says THEIR safety won’t work with a Larue MBT trigger.

I don’t want to grind anything involving the safety or trigger.......

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Yeah, don't do any grinding. LOL Have you actually spoken with Resurgent about their warning? Seems odd that the contact parts that engage with the trigger would be anything non-standard. Only thing "special" about their safety seems to be the long arm. The 45-deg throw isn't all that uncommon. And if Larue triggers didn't function correctly with 45-deg safetys, we'd all have heard about it a long time ago.
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Yeah, don't do any grinding. LOL Have you actually spoken with Resurgent about their warning? Seems odd that the contact parts that engage with the trigger would be anything non-standard. Only thing "special" about their safety seems to be the long arm. The 45-deg throw isn't all that uncommon. And if Larue triggers didn't function correctly with 45-deg safetys, we'd all have heard about it a long time ago.

Yeah, I sent RA another email about it......

I can’t seem to find any other “extended safety selectors” for featureless applications.....other than a Luth AR one, but that’s also not for featureless thumbs, as a 90 degree lever.

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The issue is Resurgent Arms says THEIR safety won’t work with a Larue MBT trigger.

I don’t want to grind anything involving the safety or trigger.......

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I can understand that, I used to be hesitant, but after you’ve helped build and troubleshoot dozens of AR’s for friends and family you get comfortable going in and tweaking things. Especially true if your friends built off an 80 percent and things went a little sideways or if they bought the cheapest parts they could find.
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Yeah, don't do any grinding. LOL Have you actually spoken with Resurgent about their warning? Seems odd that the contact parts that engage with the trigger would be anything non-standard. Only thing "special" about their safety seems to be the long arm. The 45-deg throw isn't all that uncommon. And if Larue triggers didn't function correctly with 45-deg safetys, we'd all have heard about it a long time ago.

OK. just an FYI, here's the explanation from "Brad" @Larue, regarding the MBT trigger not working with the RA extended safety selector:

This is due to the short throw 35 degree on that selector. We do not have a list of non-compatible, but I would recommend using a selector with a degree higher than 60 degrees.


So, I guess if I wanted to go with the MBT-2S trigger + featureless....it's either an ambi or use a stock safety left handed.

Thanks everyone


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Interesting. Thanks Erion. 35 degrees.... I'm surprised there aren't issues with more trigger types.
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OK. just an FYI, here's the explanation from "Brad" @Larue, regarding the MBT trigger not working with the RA extended safety selector:

This is due to the short throw 35 degree on that selector. We do not have a list of non-compatible, but I would recommend using a selector with a degree higher than 60 degrees.


So, I guess if I wanted to go with the MBT-2S trigger + featureless....it's either an ambi or use a stock safety left handed.

Thanks everyone


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Yea, I can see that. There already isn’t much material between the two detent locations on a 60 degree throw. 60 degree of more gives a clear differentiation between on and off safe.
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FWIW, I own both the mbt-2s and resurgent arms safety. Tried it out for myself and while it initially feels like it functions fine, a solid squeeze on the trigger and the safety pops to fire / drops hammer.
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FWIW, I own both the mbt-2s and resurgent arms safety. Tried it out for myself and while it initially feels like it functions fine, a solid squeeze on the trigger and the safety pops to fire / drops hammer.

Good to hear first-hand

So....I assume you are featureless, what safety did you go with to pair with the MBT?


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Good to hear first-hand

So....I assume you are featureless, what safety did you go with to pair with the MBT?


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Ended up with the MBT on the maglocked rifle with regular safety, and have a BCM trigger in the featureless with the RA selector.

Couldn’t really find a short-throw extended safety that seemed right for it... but I like the BCM so I didn’t try incredibly hard.
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I have a mbt-2s and a resurgent arms safety and grip on one of my rifles, works perfectly fine. I can squeeze the trigger as hard as I can with the safety on, and it will not drop.
I checked this multiple times with and without an upper, and have shot it many times with this combo.
I had never heard there was an issue with that combo
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I have a mbt-2s and a resurgent arms safety and grip on one of my rifles, works perfectly fine. I can squeeze the trigger as hard as I can with the safety on, and it will not drop.
I checked this multiple times with and without an upper, and have shot it many times with this combo.
I had never heard there was an issue with that combo

Well, that's interesting (and confusing) to hear based on RA's info.

I guess it might come down to "your mileage may vary" on individual ARs....

Aarrgghh, gotta decide if/what trigger mod, or just leave it alone, lol.


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Ended up with the MBT on the maglocked rifle with regular safety, and have a BCM trigger in the featureless with the RA selector.

Couldn’t really find a short-throw extended safety that seemed right for it... but I like the BCM so I didn’t try incredibly hard.

Is this the BCM trigger you have?

https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-...cm-pnt-ta1.htm


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Yeah that’s the one. Mil-spec but feels super smooth. I like it, YMMV.

MBT is definitely lighter.
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I like the grip, as far as having to go featureless.....it feels decent, mostly comfortable, and looks passable. I have a fin grip on my Scorpion, that style sucks to me.....

Stuck with featureless, the only real negative is the irritation from the castle nut endplate on the web of the thumb. RA gives you thick rubber bands to cover over the castle nut (though I seem to have misplaced them ). There is a nice contoured endplate available from RA, but haven’t decided on buying yet.

Now debating on pursuing the aftermarket trigger or not


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Hey, sorry I'm late to the party.

If you need more bands, shoot me a quick email, will@resurgentarms.com, and I'll get some sent out at no charge.

As to the safety, we followed up with LaRue, and apparently they are iffy with any safety that has a shorter throw angle. Just a guess, here, but I imagine it would be due to a non-standard trigger travel distance.

We're looking into what we'd have to do to fix this, from a design approach. Future batches of safeties, call them 2.1's, we will mod to improve trigger compatibility.

Hope that helps! Open to any questions.
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