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Old 04-15-2019, 2:15 PM
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Preemption will be gone in NV.

Clark County will pass bans, pretty much a done deal. SHOT Show will have to relocate out of state. Nevada is saturated with democraps and an “assault weapons” ban will most likely pass statewide. Bloomberg money rides again and the governor of NV has pledged to ban semi-autos, "hi caps" and silencers. Where is Trump when yet another state is destroying the 2nd Amendment? Will he tweet about this??? He (or his "best people") hasn't said a thing about the 2nd Amendment getting eradicated in: CA, WA, OR, NM, FL (he liked that gun control), VT, NY, NJ, MA, CT, CO, MD, IL, Pittsburgh, etc. since he has been in office.

Nevada assembly judiciary votes to cede authority to pass stricter gun laws to counties
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Slaves can’t own an AR silly. Only free men have the right to protect themselves.
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They kept electing that clown Harry Reid...went for the money he brought and got this as a prize. He enabled the Dems to get a good start at the erosion of 2A and the rest....that...and CA has migrated and taken our liberal ways with us...
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Prez hopeful Yang said he would legalize small amounts of heroin and outlaw guns. Seems a trend, make dope legal and guns illegal.
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For all the ex CA peeps, who move to free states...

Hope it last for your lifetime, if not, will you move again ?
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For all the ex CA peeps, who move to free states...

Hope it last for your lifetime, if not, will you move again ?
You can't compare what happens in Nevada to other "free" states. Nevada has been borderline blue for awhile. This crap doesn't happen in other "free" states.

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Where is Trump when yet another state is destroying the 2nd Amendment? Will he tweet about this??? He (or his "best people") hasn't said a thing about the 2nd Amendment getting eradicated in: CA, WA, OR, NM, FL (he liked that gun control), VT, NY, NJ, MA, CT, CO, MD, IL, Pittsburgh, etc. since he has been in office.
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POTUS reigns over Fed... doesn’t have much control over the out of control libtard states... not sure how this is his fault, except for Orange Man Bad?!?
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Preemption will be gone in NV.

Clark County will pass bans, pretty much a done deal. SHOT Show will have to relocate out of state. Nevada is saturated with democraps and an “assault weapons” ban will most likely pass statewide. Bloomberg money rides again and the governor of NV has pledged to ban semi-autos, "hi caps" and silencers. Where is Trump when yet another state is destroying the 2nd Amendment? Will he tweet about this??? He (or his "best people") hasn't said a thing about the 2nd Amendment getting eradicated in: CA, WA, OR, NM, FL (he liked that gun control), VT, NY, NJ, MA, CT, CO, MD, IL, Pittsburgh, etc. since he has been in office.

Nevada assembly judiciary votes to cede authority to pass stricter gun laws to counties
That would be GREAT if they moved it to ID.
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What does Trump have to do with state laws?
Agreed, he can't leap to the rescue as some think, wish he could. But
appointing more and more judges that do not legislate from the bench for the long game is a massive help for decades to come long after he is out of office.
Some need to realize how important that is.
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This is what happens when people from California, get sick and tired of California, move to Nevada and then turn Nevada in to California.
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This comes to mind...
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Funny thing. Was in Vegas in January for my son’s high school baseball tournament. There was the hotel magazine in the room. One of those Vegasy kind of mags. Big spread on welcoming SHOT show to Vegas and all kinds of things for visitors to do.

I suspect that Nevada will react a little differently to gun laws than the peasants here. Although I could be wrong. Fortunately I’ll be heading further east in a few years.


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Since we have a facility in Nevada, I took the time to give testimony on this bill. It has three parts to it covering bump stocks, blood alcohol levels when carrying, and state premption.

They modified the bump stock section so that it was a bit more targeted. That was a victory. I don't believe anyone testified against the blood alcohol issue, so that stuck. While there was lots of testimony against preemption, you could tell the leftists REALLY wanted that provision. (I say leftists to contrast against the conservative Democrats, of which NV has many.)

The strongest road block against this bill will be the senate. If it makes it to the senate, it will be determined by one vote either way.
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For all the ex CA peeps, who move to free states...

Hope it last for your lifetime, if not, will you move again ?
Of course they will. People who run away will keep running away. Quitting is a hard habit to break.
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Since we have a facility in Nevada, I took the time to give testimony on this bill. It has three parts to it covering bump stocks, blood alcohol levels when carrying, and state premption.

They modified the bump stock section so that it was a bit more targeted. That was a victory. I don't believe anyone testified against the blood alcohol issue, so that stuck. While there was lots of testimony against preemption, you could tell the leftists REALLY wanted that provision. (I say leftists to contrast against the conservative Democrats, of which NV has many.)

The strongest road block against this bill will be the senate. If it makes it to the senate, it will be determined by one vote either way.
Holy crap, I had no idea NV's legislature was so lopsided, with dems handily outnumbering the repubs. Senate- 13/8 D-R. House- 29/13 D-R. How do you figure it'll be decided by 1 vote?

https://ballotpedia.org/Nevada_State_Legislature

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This is what happens when people from California, get sick and tired of California, move to Nevada and then turn Nevada in to California.
With this logic America will become Mexico. We’re screwed!
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It didn't take long to convert Nevada into California. How long will AZ last?
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The Cult of Marx first came to the East Coast and after they turned it into a chithole, then they came to the West for the weather and turned it into a chithole, about the only place that will be left is isolated places in the heartland. Way to many people in the USA that cannot trace their ancestry back to the Revolution and want to EuroTrash the Republic, way too many people that want to be Ruled, so Sad.
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What does Trump have to do with state laws?
But mit31, the Bay Area liberal now in Idaho likes to bash republicans. He and many others on this forum never credit any of the great things President Trump has done for RKBA.

They are liberals or illiterate libertarians/anarchist's. When they get confronted by the fact of President Trumps 2 progun Supreme Court justices and the remaking of democrat courts with RKBA judges. Each one will be indignant and exclaim! Yeah well we still have the 34 NFA act or GCA 1968 blah blah blah .

Its actually fun to watch these tools spin idiotic premises while 90,000 of us adult gun culture people cheer President Trump during our NRA convention!

Pleased you called out that POTUS has ZERO authority on state laws. That will come later when the NRA challenges these laws and they are over turned by a Trump judge !

Idaho was at one time a safe bet for liberty, but I really doubt they will hold on to freedom. For one they have the same democrat government school propaganda in the bigger cities that have helped ruin California.

They also have lots of TV watchers and not enough religious people. This coupled with people moving into the state from california,montana and Colorado will assure the dems take over within a decade.
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Of course they will. People who run away will keep running away. Quitting is a hard habit to break.
As is moving to a place that provides a MUCH better place to raise a family. We did it in 1986...zero regrets.
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As is moving to a place that provides a MUCH better place to raise a family. We did it in 1986...zero regrets.
When enough folks like you populate Idaho. What is the next state you think will be a good place to raise a family ?
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With this logic America will become Mexico. We’re screwed!
The Byzantine empire used to be Italians, then it became Arabs, then Ottoman Turks. This wouldn't be the first time in history that a nation of people moved into a neighboring country and made it their own. Thats why we (are supposed to) have borders.
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Preemption will be gone in NV.

Clark County will pass bans, pretty much a done deal. SHOT Show will have to relocate out of state. Nevada is saturated with democraps and an “assault weapons” ban will most likely pass statewide. Bloomberg money rides again and the governor of NV has pledged to ban semi-autos, "hi caps" and silencers. Where is Trump when yet another state is destroying the 2nd Amendment? Will he tweet about this??? He (or his "best people") hasn't said a thing about the 2nd Amendment getting eradicated in: CA, WA, OR, NM, FL (he liked that gun control), VT, NY, NJ, MA, CT, CO, MD, IL, Pittsburgh, etc. since he has been in office.

Nevada assembly judiciary votes to cede authority to pass stricter gun laws to counties
Where are the wise men from here that said this will never happen! They were so certain and would not move a muscle!
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When enough folks like you populate Idaho. What is the next state you think will be a good place to raise a family ?
At this point, Idaho remains a good place for families.

Not sure if I can think of a better place...though after California, 15+ years in Texas was not problematic while we were there from '87 to 2000. Moved back to CA for 2 years and 11 days to avoid taxes (thanks to Clinton) and moved to Idaho at that time.

I'd look for a state with a Republican-controlled legislature and what I'd call "traditional values".

Neither wife nor I have any desire to leave Idaho. We're outside city limits, not in Ada county, and can ride horses all day and all over.
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POTUS reigns over Fed... doesn’t have much control over the out of control libtard states... not sure how this is his fault, except for Orange Man Bad?!?
The president could force the DOJ to sue the states for violating the second amendment just as they sue for voting rights in the south.
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The president could force the DOJ to sue the states for violating the second amendment just as they sue for voting rights in the south.
Yeah with a whole 6 million NRA members out of 90 million gun owners that should work really well for re-election.


Of course even if he did that many on this forum would say he hasn't dealt with NFA or GCA68 or blah, blah ,blah !

I suggest we all work towards recruiting 25 million NRA members and get some political power.
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SHOT in CA, that's an idea. It's only a show.
What a crap-sandwich that would be for the organizers and vendors...having to tread ever-so lightly with their demos and inventory because 3/4 or more of their wares are illegal to possess inside CA. Not to mention the thousands of legal CCW holders that visit the show would be forced to disarm or not attend.

It would be a financial shot in the foot to host it here; not even surfing and skiing collectively would draw enough attendees.
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Am I missing something? The federal lawsuits to force states to recognize voting rights were based on federal laws passed in 1957, 60, and 64 (as well as the 15th amendment, which had been clearly defined by previous courts). The federal courts were also sympathetic to changing states behavior, and there also were not already multiple lawsuits in and through the federal courts about that same topic.

Comparing that to gun rights today is just... they are so different, it is ridiculous. There is ZERO federal law we can use to support us. We have Heller, which has NOT been clarified, and an entire federal court system that has allowed or even encouraged the reduction of gun rights.

How or why would a federal lawsuit saying that "x" law is unconstitutional "because of the 2nd" be any different than ANY of the dozens of lawsuits already being litigated??

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The president could force the DOJ to sue the states for violating the second amendment just as they sue for voting rights in the south.
If the courts are where the victory needs to happen, it seems that the most important thing the feds can do is even out or upend the circuit courts and SCOTUS with more conservatives. Oh wait... that is exactly what is happening!
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You can't compare what happens in Nevada Texas to other "free" states. Nevada Texas has been borderline blue for awhile. This crap doesn't happen in other "free" states.
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When enough folks like you populate Idaho. What is the next state you think will be a good place to raise a family ?
I think the United States still has some swamp land the righteous could fall back to until the wicked get swept off.
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We stopped visiting Las Vegas since 2016 when Las Vegas voters elected ANTI NRA Hillary Clinton .


Sad to say IM glad the shot show will re-locate to a better place.
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sucks that NV is moving to be CA Jr.

i was thinking of moving out there in a few years as I already have friends out there and still keep me close enough to the friends I have in CA.

now i have to go further out.... bleh
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It remains to be seen if Vegas won't carve out an exemption to gun show events like SHOT. It is one of the biggest money makers VEGAS has.

The OP is assuming a whole bunch of stuff here that has not come to fruition.
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Everybody from California who sits there saying how everybody who moves is a coward and blah blah blah is just a joke to me. I moved to better the family and no other reason than that. I thoroughly enjoy where I live, the freedoms I have, and I am going to keep Idaho like it is and always has been. There are so many more people moving here who are conservative minded, want guns, love freedom and I see it more and more as each day goes by. The people who are going to sit there and ***** about how people are running just make me laugh because all you're doing is fighting a losing battle yes, liberalism is creeping into our country but it is because of schools, children, and that people have gotten to the point where we don't want to help our children become better people we only think about ourselves. I constantly see people sitting there on their cell phone watching their children being a raging little snot and they are you preoccupied with this that or the other to actually instill values that we used to have as a nation. Good luck to everyone else but I'm building a life for my family in the best possible location I could ask for.
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It remains to be seen if Vegas won't carve out an exemption to gun show events like SHOT. It is one of the biggest money makers VEGAS has.

The OP is assuming a whole bunch of stuff here that has not come to fruition.
I would bet some democrats will want to carve out an exemption for a money maker like SHOT show.

Hopefully the organizers will tell them not to bother as it will only be a temp measure. Democrats with the power to tax are not concerned with revenue, in fact the worse an economy becomes the better they like as it shows only a big powerful socialist government can fix the capitalist system.
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