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Bowhunters - most devastating broadhead?
Hey bowhunters, just got my tree stand up on my property and I have some awesome bucks coming through here... but here's the deal. I only have five acres and where my tree stand is I have maybe 40 yards to the neighbor's property in two directions. I have five really good acres for hunting, except it's you know, only five acres. My neighbors are awesome, and the one neighbor would not care if I had to go on his property to retrieve a deer. The other neighbor would let me, but his wife is a animal lover and I just don't want to deal with having to get my deer off her property. I think you get the idea. Even worse still would be if he was able to cross my entire property and get to the neighbors I don't know.
Here's my question, I will be hunting with a crossbow during archery season and I just want to know the most devastating broadhead in your opinion. My shooting lanes will give me a 20 yard shot at the most, so I should be able to put it right where it needs to be, but I am not a bowhunter. I've done it, but I've never shot anything so I have no experience to draw from. I have traditional fixed broadheads, but that's what, a 7/8" wound? I really want to get something that will open that guy up and not leave me knocking on doors if at all possible. I've read mixed reviews on mechanical broadhead reliability so I just thought I'd ask here and see if there was any first hand experience and hopefully some DRT results.
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There are no DRT kills with a box except in extreme situations. I'm my circle mechanical broadheads are not the way to go. I personally use Montec G5 carbon. There is a very good chance you shoot a deer and it leaves your 5 acres. You will need to give it a nice long sit before pursuing it after the shot (hours).
The best way to DRT is a brain shot with a rifle.
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For mechanical I’ve had great luck with most of the rage Broadheads, but my new favorite, the grim reaper 3 blade pro series. (Separately) They offer the most realistic practice head I’ve seen, for getting sighted in and dialed in. For fixed blades I loved the fixed 4 blade magnus hornet Broadheads. They have the most amazing warranty I’ve ever seen. Send in your old Broadheads, no matter what reason, and they’ll send you new ones. All of my experience with these are for archery not for crossbows, although I would expect similar results my state doesn’t recognize crossbows for archery season unless you’re disabled.
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I shoot nap killzones every animal I’ve shot has made it 40-50 yards they are wildly effective . It’s a shame idaho has no mechanical rules .. I’m probably switching to slick trucks once I have time to re tune . The kilzones are lasers to 80yds +
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Thanks guys, yeah I'm rethinking if I want to arrow this guy or not. I can wait for muzzle loader season and nail him pretty easily, but... I tried to post a pic and it won't let me for some reason... I wanted you guys to see this buck. I'm just afraid if I don't get him early someone else will. Serious prince, one of five or six real beauts visiting my property daily.
I've done enough DRT's (or reasonably close to it) with a 150g Core-Lokt to the lungs Lew, they weren't jumping any fences or leading a quarter mile away anyway. I was just thinking an excellent shot with a crossbow from close and up high I might be able to get him to lie down pretty quickly. Wishful thinking I'm sure. Tennessee and Virginia allow them now. We're thick with deer right now... arrowguns are allowed in archery season too. My shoulder just can't pull my 70lb Hoyt back quietly, it's time for me to get a new bow... a 60lb with a smoother draw. Mine is getting pretty long in the tooth and although I can get it back, It's a struggle doing it quietly. A friend loaned me the crossbow so I thought I'd give it a shot.
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Thank you, I'll look into those as well.
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These look nasty, but I just don't know... https://www.amazon.com/Rage-Extreme-...%2C239&sr=8-14
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Hello, So I'm a fixed blade guy. Just always have been able to get them to fly great and everything dies quick. I arrow'd my last bear @54 yds shooting through the netting on one of my ground blinds and he went 27 yds. And was dun. I know the mechanical broadheads are great too, just never really hunted them. I have two friends who are renowned hunters and who also happen to own archery shops. They both suggested 100 grain slick trick fixed blade heads years ago and I just stuck with them. I really hope you whack a nice one! |
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Be aware in some places there are limits to the diameter of your broadhead (there are here in WY, and crossbows are legal).
I have a similar situation, but I am just going to wait until rifle season and use a suppressed 300 blackout from a tree stand. |
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Here's the deal, we have an early private land only archery weekend at the end of August 27-29, bucks only. I am seeing this guy almost daily on my cameras and I think I can get him to walk under my stand that weekend... or so I keep telling myself. If I can get a prime shot at him I just hate to pass that up. There's only one direction I think I might lose him, but he would have to cross my property and past my house out into the street etc. It's directly away from where I will be sitting so that's not out of the question, but he has good cover to go bleed in a lot closer than that in every other direction. I'm situated perfectly for prevailing winds and if he comes down one of two trails he'll present me with a 15-20 yard broadside. The last thing I want is to injure and lose him, that would suck. But if I wait until muzzle loader season (Nov 6) he'd have to survive the month of archery season (not unlikely really) but also the youngster weekend and they are allowed rifles. I don't own a muzzle loader, but I'm looking to.
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I’m new to bow hunting, bought my first bow a few months back. With all the conversations I’ve had seems like lots of people are moving towards the Iron Will s100/125 and the Kudu broad heads. I bought Slick Tricks because my neighbor has had good success with them on hogs and deer.
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One word to the wise if you can't drill a pie plate at 80yds you aren't good enough yet any distance . You need to be calm and steady I've seen plenty of gutshot deer shot at 20 yards and only get found in spring shed hunting . |
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Rage or G3 are the best I've used.
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I'm going to the range to sight this thing in, then I'll place a few targets near my stand and see how the elevation affects my POI. I think I am doing my fair share of homework on this, I think it's only fair to the animal that I do my best in doing this right. I still haven't decided on fixed vs. mechanical, just no clear answer on that like many things in this game. In the end, shot placement is still king right?
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Absolutely. I believe mechanical Broadheads are more forgiving on a marginal shot, for the obvious reason of larger cutting diameters.
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I like the way you think. Someone else will shoot this guy, no question about it.
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I am new to bow hunting as well, got my bow for Christmas. I have missed a turkey 50+ yards and got one squirrel. As Yote said, practice is key and I am hoping to get a deer on our property this year. I purchased some Rage and some from Annihilator all 100gr. Read good things about the Annihilator and will be using them this season. Good luck!
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A crossbow bolt has the ability to damage more like a rifle than a bow.
Shot placement is of course everything but a bow shot is likely to be heart/ lung and not intended to keep the animal from wandering. A high shoulder shot can punch both shoulder blades, both lungs and the spine making both shot placement and broadhead design critical if you want to put one DRT .
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Kind of my line of thinking as well Randy, but I honestly don't have the experience to back it up. I went and ranged the likely areas I would get a shot, one is 14 yards and the other 18. A third possibility is about 24 yards... This is of course if he doesn't deviate and just walk right out in the open, but my cameras have them pretty much sticking to the game trails. The does and fawns cross the open areas, but the bucks are a lot warier. They change their time as well, pretty sneaky... but they seem to stick to the same trails.
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Highly recommend reading Ed Ashby's work. Forget mechanicals and even chisel points. Read the 12 factors of penetration & live by them. You need the wound to bleed out fast. You do that by having the arrow blow completely through. Just the point exiting is not enough -- you want that arrow stuck in a log or on the ground somewhere on the other side of the animal.
Cutting diameter is worthless for blood trails & bleed outs if the arrow is still embedded in the cavity & clogging up the wound. Basic first aid says that if you get an object embedded in your body (knife, stick, whatever), keep it in there until you get to a hospital because if you pull it out, you risk bleeding out before you get there. So, when looking to kill an animal fast, get the arrow out fast & open up that wound. Penetration is #1. There is no such thing as overkill. I believe Ashby said that if you hit them well with enough penetration, they'll die with a great blood trail with just a sharpened field point. But a wide point that doesn't exit may not show a blood trail at all. A 1" broadhead is plenty wide to take down cape buffalo so it's fine for deer. But an extra wide head may not be able to punch through bone if your shot isn't perfect. All else being equal, narrow heads penetrate deeper. As for broadheads, Grizzly & Tuffheads are about the best there is. Ashby has his own name on one as well but refuses to take any royalties or compensation for it. It's just his favorite and it follows his research recommendations so he puts his stamp of approval on it. Zwicky or similar is the budget option, though they don't really have good single bevels. You're looking for a 3:1 length/width ratio, single bevel, tanto point, hard steel. Polish the edge razor sharp & put it where it matters. I took a small bear with a grizzly-tipped 650 grain arrow last year. Arrow went between the ribs on entry, spun through the cavity & took out the lungs, blew through an off-side rib (split in two) and then buried itself in a log up to the shaft. I thought I had missed and was looking for my arrow on the ground before I found it buried in the log & covered with blood. Bear made it about 100 yards on a dead sprint before collapsing. Granted, that was an ideal shot -- couldn't have been better placed. And she was a small bear. But I'd have no qualms about using that setup for a much bigger bear, deer, elk, hog or whatever I'm hunting. Weight-wise, I was impressed to learn that the heavy bone threshold of 650 grains was tested on 40# longbows as well as 70# compounds. In all cases, 650 grain arrows punched through cape buffalo ribs nearly every time. Not so with lighter arrow setups. So a 40# longbow with a 650 grain arrow penetrated heavy bone more reliably than a 70# compound with a 350 grain arrow. Is that overkill for deer? Yes. Unless you hit the spine or scapula. Then it's barely adequate. Anything less is less than adequate. Rinella did a podcast with Ashby recently -- highly recommend it. Last edited by CVShooter; 08-03-2021 at 3:11 PM.. |
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Crossbow has less energy than a compound bow..... The draw length determines the speed hence 150 lb crossbow 14" draw length, versus 29" draw at 60 lb compound bow.
One thing to watch with the crossbow is make sure the nock/latches at the same position on the string everytime.
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Crossbows are louder than compounds when you shoot, so you will have to aim a few inches below the boiler room. The deer will flinch downward automatically when they hear the shot so you'll hit high if you aim dead-on. This problem is magnified at distance.
I limit myself to 40 yds with the crossbow for this reason. My shoulder won't handle a compound bow anyway. Best of luck |
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I don't leave corn or salt licks out constantly, I put it out for a week then won't put it out for a week or ten days etc... So hopefully the bucks realize it's a periodic thing. I'll put out a nice pile ten days before that archery weekend and just hope they come around looking for a new pile. I had bucks with no corn out last year, and I've had them this year... not 4 beautiful bucks eating corn on the ground kinda stuff, but still walking by several places on the property. That one night pic of the buck was in an area with no food source other than stuff I planted. I have thrown out some seed in areas hoping that will sprout and draw them in as well. I do need clarification from TWRA as well, I want to know if there can be corn at another location and I just cannot hunt "over bait" or if there can be nothing on the property. I'm not looking to break any rules obviously, I am an ethical hunter and follow game laws.
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In the meantime, give it Ashby's work a read. https://www.ashbybowhunting.org/ Here's a quick blurb from his website: The Foundation has nearly thirty years of research and an additional fifteen years of data utilizing penetration enhanced arrow systems in real hunting situations strongly validating the findings. The fifteen years of data has accounted for clean kills on multitudes of Whitetail Deer, Mule Deer, Elk, Wild Hogs, Nilgai, over 2000 Cape and Asiatic Buffalo, over one hundred Elephant, multiple Hippo, and countless other large game across North America, Africa, South America, Europe, Asia and Australia, making the Ashby Bowhunting Foundation the leading global authority on arrow and broadhead lethality. The Foundation officers’ and directors’ combined bowhunting experience is extensive, exceeding 220 years and spanning six continents. The Foundation is a 501(c)(3) organization and as with all the previous testing, the Foundation accepts no funding, direct or otherwise, from the archery industry, thus keeping the Foundation’s testing truly independent of industry influence. Last edited by CVShooter; 08-04-2021 at 8:11 AM.. |
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Single bevel refers to the edge on the blade, not how many blades there are lol
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So any scrapes near your deer stand?
If not make one now and pee in it often. WT bucks follow scrapes more than food.....
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Do you have a link to something showing a single slit bleeding out faster than one with 3 or 4 blades? If you do I am all ears but it does not seem logical that a slit from a 2 blade bevel has superior bleeding or sealing chareristics to a 3 or 4 blade. Sure, but I would hope you know what I am saying (I guess not). Look at his website and he only sells a two-blade. Everyone you see shooting "single bevel" broadheads uses 2 blades or 2 blades + bleeders. Go to your local pro shop and ask to see their single bevel heads and you'll see the same.
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I'll simply refer you to his research. The number of blades & wound channels just don't matter if the arrow fails to pass completely through. 3-4 blade heads don't reliably pass through soft tissue or bone like COC 2-blades. Extra wide heads like Simmons are great for opening up tissue but if the arrow fails to pass through, who cares? The most lethal broadhead is the one that most reliably gets complete pass throughs and can reach the vitals even after hitting heavy bone. The rest is just marketing.
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Also, he is shooting CA deer, they are not hard to get good penetration on, and stopping it quickly is priority #1 for his specific situation. This is where a 3 blade would likely help. The best part about his system is penetration (and it's very good at that), not stopping power or steering an arrow.
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CV & 180 - ^^^ No dog in that fight, happy to learn what I can... but just for the record they are Tennessee whitetails. 14 to 25 yards, 5-10 degree downward angle. The crossbow I have available to me supposedly shoots around 325 fps, thinking of upgrading to a Killer Instinct 425 and loading it with heavy bolts and 125g tips.
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I do have a 1/3 share in a 150 acre lease in VA also, as long as the good Lord is willing I should have some shot opportunities this year. The WT population is really good this year.
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