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And the older HUGE skeet range on the other side of 101 & south a bit (Coyote Valley Sporting Clays) which is now County owned (is my understanding)?
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Column: California says its new gun law is about public safety. But what about these women?
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Did anyone catch this gem on the SF Chronicle site last week?
http://https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/sb-2-order-18596553.php [/QUOTE] Gun owners in California will likely be allowed to carry their firearms in most public places until this summer, if not longer, now that a federal appeals court panel has blocked central provisions of a state law that banned carrying guns in schools, parks, libraries and other areas the law classified as ?sensitive.? [/QUOTE] Not one mention of CCW anywhere in the article. I emailed Mr. Egelko to ask if the omission was ignorance or, more likely, fear mongering. Of course, there was no response. I remember a time when the media accepted as their duty to report issues fairly by presenting both sides of an issue and reporting all the facts available. This is another example of how that is no longer the case. He also called Chuck Michel "the founder of CRPA"....
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I've seen a few articles that do not mention the 'Concealed Carry' aspect. It's almost like they believe, or don't care that non-permitted CCW and open carry have been banned for a long time.
If they are ignorant, that can be fixed, but purposely omitting CCW is liberal fear mongering at its best. -P
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Man, when you've lost the lost the L.A. times! I know this is an OP/ED, but still, the editors chose it for publication. And these writers are anything but pro-gun. |
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OTOH, I think most people that are even aware of what's going on know the difference. Still, I wonder how many people will read this and say to themselves "Oh, I guess I can go out and carry my gun then" (w/o a permit). |
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"deepening background checks to include social media scans"
As quoted in the L.A. times article above by TRAPPED. I don't think this is actually authorized by SB2. I find no mention of this in the bill. Can anyone confirm or refute? There is no space in the new permitium to list your S.M. accounts. Its easy enough for an investigator I suppose to track your social media accounts, but I am not aware that this is actually included in the bill text. |
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Added in SB2 26202(b)(3) states ?A review of publicly available information about the applicant, including publicly available statements published or posted by the applicant.? |
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It's been my opinion, and surely that of most here, that SB-2 is wholly unconstitutional and should be struck down in its entirety.
Having to provide references, social media scans, etc. is just overkill and will be a big drain on IA's resources. All that will do is lengthen the time it takes to get a permit and fees will likely increase to cover the manhours of admin time. At least we've had a win getting the 'sensitive locations' portion stopped for now. -P
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Exactly the intent. Make it as difficult, time consuming, expensive, and lengthy as possible is a built-in design feature. Plus having to willingly let some state sponsored goon paw through anything you posted on any public space in an effort to declare that you do not meet their subjective good moral character standard is as bad as it was before Bruen.
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Yes, I suppose that could include social media posts. What fun this will be for investigators. |
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I wonder if the law enforcement investigators will relish the social media sifting, or see it as one more distasteful chore they do as part of the assignment? I doubt most any of them like to be bogged down in unproductive BS, as this is purely just that. The politicians sure like it though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMANdsDf5vU |
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It sounds like a tedious, boring assignment and waste of time, given that permit applicants have been vetted already in other ways. Some people may have many accounts and thousands or tens of thousands of posts. Which brings up a number of whole new questions. Being I'm not that computer savvy. If an investigator does a personal search. I assume they do that already (pre SB2). So in a personal search, that can lead to any social media accounts? How exactly does that work, question for the computer savvy here? |
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"It was meant as a retaliatory blow to the Supreme Court, ostensibly designed to keep California from turning into Florida and other red states" |
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Nobody post on social media under their original names, except some yo-yos on facebook. Yes, there is way to link internet profile to forum account, but it is require effort, time and costs money. Also there is time frame of 90 days for making ?decision?. Does it worth for investigators effort to do al that for regular John Doe? May be if they have some serious doubts, but not on regular basis. Much easier to restrict to implement by shrink review.
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The bill makes this somewhat subjective: "(3) A review of publicly available information about the applicant, including publicly available statements published or posted by the applicant" Does not mention social media specifically. My guess is most investigators will make a general internet search based on your name and see if anything questionable comes up. Lots of things come up on your name if you do an internet search, even if you are a relative nobody. I think many investigators do that already. If something questionable does come up, they may do a deeper search. |
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Besides, I'm sure there's somebody out there writing some sort of task for an AI bot to search all of the CCW applicants. Man, what a nightmare.
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