Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > GENERAL DISCUSSION > Coronavirus/COVID19 Temp Forum
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Coronavirus/COVID19 Temp Forum This is a temporary forum for discussion, debate, sharing and helping each other during and in relation to the Coronavirus/COVID19

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-13-2021, 4:15 PM
rick1085's Avatar
rick1085 rick1085 is online now
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Clovis
Posts: 68
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default For anyone in need of a religous exemption response

Feel free to use this as needed.
Covers all known objections.

"Taking this vaccine violates my conscience for at least three reasons: first, the use of aborted fetuses in either the development or production of these vaccines, or both, when my religious beliefs require that I respect all human life, including fetal life, and not knowingly profit from harm to fetal life; second, the invasion of my body with foreign toxins when my religious beliefs require I treat my body as a temple, and not so knowingly desecrate it; and third, the coercion against informed consent of this vaccine when my religious beliefs require all medical treatment be conditioned upon informed consent. This is a matter of life and death, the very purpose for which I live my life, respect for all human beings and all human life in the world, a core matter of right and wrong, and essential to my very being. I cannot violate my conscience on such a core matter of my morals and the beliefs that guide me and govern me, formed by religious beliefs and as instructed by my religious tenets. I have never knowingly taken any vaccine, or any medicine, developed or produced with aborted fetal cells, that invaded my body with foreign toxins, or that were compelled against informed consent. The violation of informed consent is a matter of religious conscience; what the Nazi doctors did is morally wrong, spiritually offensive, and participating or partaking in such invasive, coerced medicine at any time offends the very core of my conscience. I cannot consciously disrespect human life, and the core of what makes us human and the dignity it requires we treat ourselves and our fellow human beings, even if it might medically or financially profit me to do so. Some things are not for sale; my conscience, formed by the core of religious tenets, is one of them."
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-13-2021, 4:17 PM
223556's Avatar
223556 223556 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: San Mateo County
Posts: 2,799
iTrader: 127 / 100%
Default

__________________
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

"Between your faith and my Glock 9mm I'll take the Glock."
- Arnold Schawarzenegger (End of Days)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-13-2021, 4:23 PM
K001's Avatar
K001 K001 is online now
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: San Jose, CA
Posts: 909
iTrader: 35 / 100%
Default

This is exactly the stance I am taking at work and included scripture references to bolster my argument as well
__________________
03-FFL/COE
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-13-2021, 7:25 PM
stix213's Avatar
stix213 stix213 is offline
AKA: Joe Censored
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: San Rafael
Posts: 17,935
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default

I don't know what your exemption forms look like, but mine had 3 lines to write. I edited mine on the computer to fit more, but you're just going to piss the person off who you're trying to persuade by dumping a giant wall of text on them.

My suggestion is to try to be clear, get to the point, respectful, and brief.
__________________
Dev blog for the MMO game I'm developing 'Broadside: Perilous Waters'
https://broadside-game.blogspot.com/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1...rilous_Waters/
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-13-2021, 7:50 PM
Kokopelli's Avatar
Kokopelli Kokopelli is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: "the drop edge of yonder"
Posts: 2,955
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by K001 View Post
This is exactly the stance I am taking at work and included scripture references to bolster my argument as well
Cool! What are those scripture references?
__________________
“If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.” - Ronald Reagan
"God is not on the side of the big battalions, but on the side of those who shoot best." - Voltaire
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-13-2021, 9:02 PM
jorgi23 jorgi23 is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 296
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Sadly America stopped believing in God a long time ago...

great reference thank you...
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-14-2021, 12:24 AM
axhoaxho's Avatar
axhoaxho axhoaxho is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 5,475
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Thanks for sharing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rick1085 View Post
Feel free to use this as needed. Covers all known objections.


Taking this vaccine violates my conscience for at least three reasons:

First, the use of aborted fetuses in either the development or production of these vaccines, or both, when my religious beliefs require that I respect all human life, including fetal life, and not knowingly profit from harm to fetal life.

Second, the invasion of my body with foreign toxins when my religious beliefs require I treat my body as a temple, and not so knowingly desecrate it.

Third, the coercion against informed consent of this vaccine when my religious beliefs require all medical treatment be conditioned upon informed consent.

This is a matter of life and death, the very purpose for which I live my life, respect for all human beings and all human life in the world, a core matter of right and wrong, and essential to my very being.

I cannot violate my conscience on such a core matter of my morals and the beliefs that guide me and govern me, formed by religious beliefs and as instructed by my religious tenets.

I have never knowingly taken any vaccine, or any medicine, developed or produced with aborted fetal cells, that invaded my body with foreign toxins, or that were compelled against informed consent.

The violation of informed consent is a matter of religious conscience; what the Nazi doctors did is morally wrong, spiritually offensive, and participating or partaking in such invasive, coerced medicine at any time offends the very core of my conscience.

I cannot consciously disrespect human life, and the core of what makes us human and the dignity it requires we treat ourselves and our fellow human beings, even if it might medically or financially profit me to do so. Some things are not for sale; my conscience, formed by the core of religious tenets, is one of them.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-14-2021, 12:27 AM
deerdeerdeer's Avatar
deerdeerdeer deerdeerdeer is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Santa Clara County/Bay Area
Posts: 2,215
iTrader: 28 / 100%
Default

I dont play with exemptions, I dont feed the beast. They get a big polite F-U from me and some court papers coming in a form of lawsuit, I dont even care about winning the lawsuit, its all about choosing the right moral adventure to be in, I dont feed the propaganda machine, the more you feed it the more power it has, sooner or later , they will ask more of you, perhaps all of you..
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-14-2021, 6:28 AM
turbolxstang turbolxstang is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 303
iTrader: 16 / 100%
Default

City of SF deadline was midnight, they hadn’t approved any religious exemptions
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-14-2021, 7:36 AM
Jedediah Munroe Jedediah Munroe is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 389
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

The religious exemption statement is probably similar to the California good cause CCW statement. The administration already has already decided to give it to you or nor. It doesn’t really matter so much would you say in your statement
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-14-2021, 7:46 AM
GlockN'Roll's Avatar
GlockN'Roll GlockN'Roll is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: SOUTHERN CAL
Posts: 3,033
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jorgi23 View Post

Sadly America stopped believing in God a long time ago...

great reference thank you...
And that,


is how we got here...
__________________

Discreet, Legal Carry in 37 States...
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-14-2021, 8:36 AM
terry4130 terry4130 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 542
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stix213 View Post
I don't know what your exemption forms look like, but mine had 3 lines to write. I edited mine on the computer to fit more, but you're just going to piss the person off who you're trying to persuade by dumping a giant wall of text on them.

My suggestion is to try to be clear, get to the point, respectful, and brief.

Care to share? Please, this is possibly going to cost me my livelihood and has been the biggest stress in my life.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-14-2021, 8:38 AM
PoorRichRichard's Avatar
PoorRichRichard PoorRichRichard is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Berdoo
Posts: 2,549
iTrader: 36 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by K001 View Post
This is exactly the stance I am taking at work and included scripture references to bolster my argument as well
Could you please PM me this scriptural references?

Thank you,
Rich
__________________
1A - 2A = -1A
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wherryj View Post
If I had a nickel for every gender that exists...
...I'd have $0.10.
Conservatives think liberals are people with bad ideas. Liberals think conservatives are bad people.
--- Dan Bongino
Quote:
Originally Posted by EM2 View Post
Some liberals are evil people out to control others. (Hillary, Pelosi, et.al.)
Many liberals are lemmings and will follow whomever espouses what they 'feel'.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-14-2021, 8:45 AM
Fastattack's Avatar
Fastattack Fastattack is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: North Central Arizona (formerly So Cal)
Posts: 1,228
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Why does it take so many words to justify your 1A right?
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-14-2021, 9:38 AM
ibanezfoo's Avatar
ibanezfoo ibanezfoo is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Wimberley, TX
Posts: 8,471
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Or just say no.
__________________
Our time has come
To dismantle the dark we march on
Once and for all
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-14-2021, 4:05 PM
PHenry2015 PHenry2015 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 190
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

I put a lot of time into researching and drafting my exemption request. It was granted, however like someone said above, I think they had already decided they don't want to fire me. Also, my job can continue to be done from home.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-14-2021, 4:40 PM
ACfixer's Avatar
ACfixer ACfixer is offline
Global Warming Enthusiast
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N/E Tennessee
Posts: 4,624
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

I think most churches will provide you with a letter if you meet some very basic donation and membership requirements.
__________________
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/signaturepics/sigpic107740_1.gif

Buy made in USA whenever possible.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-14-2021, 7:27 PM
PHenry2015 PHenry2015 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 190
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

You don't need to provide a third party document in order to assert a religious exemption. Your belief doesn't even have to agree with that of any religious leader. You merely have to state your deeply held religious belief. This is not legal advice, but this is the gist of what the guidance out there says.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ACfixer View Post
I think most churches will provide you with a letter if you meet some very basic donation and membership requirements.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-15-2021, 4:03 AM
ACfixer's Avatar
ACfixer ACfixer is offline
Global Warming Enthusiast
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N/E Tennessee
Posts: 4,624
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PHenry2015 View Post
You don't need to provide a third party document in order to assert a religious exemption. Your belief doesn't even have to agree with that of any religious leader. You merely have to state your deeply held religious belief. This is not legal advice, but this is the gist of what the guidance out there says.
I agree wholeheartedly in principle, I just think some might find it easier to work with a carefully worded letter on church letterhead if you know what I mean. I'm starting a new job on Monday, no mandate there yet... but I have my former church pastor buddy in CA e-mailing me a letter today. I'll play that card if I need to, as mentioned before I do not financially need this job and I am willing to be a lab rat on this issue.

FJB, let's test the 1st amendment.
__________________
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/signaturepics/sigpic107740_1.gif

Buy made in USA whenever possible.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10-15-2021, 4:19 AM
Sousuke Sousuke is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,705
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I generally would rethink any statement that starts referencing Nazis.
__________________
I have learned three things during my time on Calguns.

1. If someone randomly starts attacking you out the wild blue yonder (ie. you haven't talked to them before) They likely suffer from a mental illness...probably some modern form of tourettes.

2. If someone out of the blue calls you racist. Consider they are likely a troll from some shadowy place like Democratic Underground.

3. Don't sell guns. Only buy them.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 10-15-2021, 11:05 AM
PHenry2015 PHenry2015 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 190
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Default

I get that. I just don't want people to be deterred from trying for a religious exemption simply because they might not have a church official to back them. My take is that bigger companies that have in house lawyers and/or outside counsel know what the law says, and thus you should focus on communicating that you also know the law. A large company is not going to want to go on a fishing expedition in order to attempt to "debunk" your genuine religious belief. It is risky for a company to do that and discouraged by the law. I think if you use the right language, then a large company will know you are serious and know your rights. A good letter puts you in a position to win in court if it ends up there, and big company HR/legal departments are all about minimizing risk to the firm. My two cents...

Quote:
Originally Posted by ACfixer View Post
I agree wholeheartedly in principle, I just think some might find it easier to work with a carefully worded letter on church letterhead if you know what I mean. I'm starting a new job on Monday, no mandate there yet... but I have my former church pastor buddy in CA e-mailing me a letter today. I'll play that card if I need to, as mentioned before I do not financially need this job and I am willing to be a lab rat on this issue.

FJB, let's test the 1st amendment.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 10-15-2021, 3:34 PM
Big Chudungus Big Chudungus is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: Contra Costa Co
Posts: 159
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

no one has ever been granted a hair cut exemption in the US military for being Christian, or even Jewish.

But Sikhs have been granted exemptions even though they of course fully knew what was expected when the joined voluntarily.

Sikh kids have also been allowed to carry (sorta dull) knives in public schools because of "religion" while American kids get cops called regardless of how dull the knife is.

So far AFAIK Christian American religious exemption requests are all being tossed in trash and no questioning allowed.

Not my area of expertise but might have something to do with being a "protected minority group" or not being one. Plus, any main stream American Christian group like any Protestant church or Catholic Church will have some big sell out top leader who will be pro-Vaxx and the company will be able to point to him as YOUR authority, push come to shove.

So I see any such attempt as mainstream honest American Christian claim as losing in two major ways and a "set up to fail".

The idea that Big Pharma and this whole new totally illegal Vaxx Law dictatorship is going to let a bunch of wise-asses defeat the whole program by going "nah-nah, I'm CLAIMING I believe some stuff" isn't realistic.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 10-15-2021, 5:22 PM
ACfixer's Avatar
ACfixer ACfixer is offline
Global Warming Enthusiast
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: N/E Tennessee
Posts: 4,624
iTrader: 14 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Chudungus View Post
So far AFAIK Christian American religious exemption requests are all being tossed in trash and no questioning allowed.
We'll see. Like I said, I am willing to be a crash test dummy on this one.

There is a very longstanding history of Sikh haircut stuff... well documented. Before we go any farther, I totally agree they joined voluntarily knowing the rules so cut that mop, but the courts disagree. AFAIK there is no longstanding hair thing in the Christian religion.

BUT, the fetus research stuff is easily as well documented along with some other points in the objection statement as being clearly anti Christian as far as mainstream Christian teaching goes. With that in mind it might not be so easy to toss in the trash, we'll let lawyers figure that out. I can afford to let them fire me and we can battle this out.

Someone has to.
__________________
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/signaturepics/sigpic107740_1.gif

Buy made in USA whenever possible.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 10-15-2021, 8:07 PM
rick1085's Avatar
rick1085 rick1085 is online now
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Clovis
Posts: 68
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Military accommodations may prove to be difficult to next to impossible. However, the military lost the Anthrax vaccine case. John Doe #1 v. Rumsfeld in 2003
Can't sue till all military procedures are exhausted.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 10-15-2021, 8:20 PM
rick1085's Avatar
rick1085 rick1085 is online now
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Clovis
Posts: 68
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

The Nazi reference in my original post is a legal reference that would come in play should one end up in court. Nuremberg Code of 1947. We hung Nazis for medical experimentation and lack of informed consent. All countries present agreed to as well as promised that it would never happen again. That is exactly what the powers to be are doing now!


Also, religious accommodation has not lost a court case yet!
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 10-15-2021, 8:33 PM
the_tunaman's Avatar
the_tunaman the_tunaman is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,392
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stix213 View Post
I don't know what your exemption forms look like, but mine had 3 lines to write. I edited mine on the computer to fit more, but you're just going to piss the person off who you're trying to persuade by dumping a giant wall of text on them.

My suggestion is to try to be clear, get to the point, respectful, and brief.
Good suggestions… not sure what everyone has to deal with, but our company is looking specifically for copy/paste flags, so be sure to make your submissions in your own words if necessary.

That was one of the biggest flags, and apparently bottled up the process pretty considerably prior to their deadline.
__________________
MAGA - drain the swamp^D^D^D^D^Dcesspool!
Proud deplorable wacist!
#NotMyStateGovernment!
Just remember BAMN - there is no level too low for them to stoop!
—————————————————————
COVID survivor - ain’t gonna get pricked!
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 10-15-2021, 9:01 PM
Maulerrr's Avatar
Maulerrr Maulerrr is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Coachella Valley
Posts: 1,708
iTrader: 17 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ibanezfoo View Post
Or just say no.
That's my stance. I just don't want the thing.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 10-15-2021, 9:10 PM
bootstrap bootstrap is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,432
iTrader: 21 / 100%
Default

If I recite the pledge of allegiance does it make it any less sincere because other people have said the same words too?

How about The Lord's Prayer?

Also, expect in the very near future jabs that do not use aborted fetal cell lines in manufacture and testing. Broaden your exemption.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 1:04 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2021, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.



Seams2SewBySusy

Tactical Pants Tactical Boots Military Boots 5.11 Tactical