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Old 04-30-2020, 6:41 PM
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When will we hear next steps after distribution tomorrow?
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Old 04-30-2020, 6:53 PM
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When will we hear next steps after distribution tomorrow?
Monday morning.
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Old 05-01-2020, 5:47 AM
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I agree with most of what you said here, if not all of it, but I think you are being too charitable in the conclusion.

I find it hard to believe that the 9th would look at their track record of ruling against gun rights 100% of the time and not know it. I find it equally hard to believe that they would look at that record and not realize that an enumerated right should have more weight than a 100% fail rate in their court indicates.

I find it hard to believe that the SCOTUS would look at their record of only taking 2 gun cases in what, 70 years? And then think that's acceptable when they're taking 35 1A cases in 10.

And putting the 2A aside, looking at the time frame to get serious cases resolved, let alone serious Constitutional questions, there is an unbelievable amount of failure. 5-15 years for most cases to be resolved by SCOTUS or Circuit courts. The lawsuit over the Exxon Valdez oil spill took 26 years! That is not justice.

I find it hard to believe that any of the Justices don't realize how screwed up it is to make someone wait 5-26 years for any ruling but especially on Constitutional issues.

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I understand your point and have great sympathy for it. I've sort of held it myself in the past.


But there really are people who believe the Constitution is what you make it into, not what it actually meant to say.

It is a very dangerous way to look at things because it goes to the integrity of just about everything. If you decide that the clear sunlit sky really must be yellow, then just because it is blue doesn't mean you can call it blue - because yellow is the new blue.

Sexual assault is both evil and a certainty if someone accuses Kavanaugh of that without any substantial evidence at all, but if Biden is accused with far more corroborating evidence it just doesn't matter and you shouldn't believe her because it is damaging one of their elite. Reality only matters if it favors them and they really and truly don't think that their elite can do anything wrong unless they lose.

And even when they lose they didn't lose. And understand, the fascists really believe Hillary won because they believe that the only legitimate election is the one which favors them - filled with election fraud and decided by a plurality of the people in the country. The idea that the Electoral College is elected by only citizens and then elects the POTUS is anathema to them. They also believe that just setting up a "compact" is enough that the Constitution no longer applies.

These people often truly believe this stuff. That they get rich and powerful believing this stuff just convinces them that they are the best and the brightest and that their mode of thinking is right.

People like me are poorly educated rubes who shouldn't be allowed to vote and as a sub-human I have no inalienable rights. Well, OK, I have the right to begrudging tolerance as long as I do exactly what they say and don't complain about it.

They have a horrifying belief in a system in which their worshipful elites control speech, thought, and behavior and can simply adjust definitions, intents, and meanings to fit what the elites think proper. If the elites say that a thing must be so and the Constitution must be followed, then the Constitution must mean what the elites want it to mean.

Consider that they now require racism while they claim to oppose it. Their most enthusiastic and most prototypical fascists call themselves anti-fascist (Antifa!). They think you are an idiot if you believe that there are only two genders (biological fact doesn't matter).

Facts are true only if they seem to them to support their political religion.
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They realize all that and don’t care. It is for your own good, peasants.
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Traitors should die a traitors death.
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Don’t know if it holds merit, but I heard an interesting idea today: the President has the authority to appoint Justices to the Supreme Court, and the Senate approves, as is the current practice.

However, there doesn’t appear to be anything stopping the President from naming one of the existing Justices on the court as Chief, and demoting the current CJ, if the Senate also approves.

THAT would be a show!
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Don’t know if it holds merit, but I heard an interesting idea today: the President has the authority to appoint Justices to the Supreme Court, and the Senate approves, as is the current practice.

However, there doesn’t appear to be anything stopping the President from naming one of the existing Justices on the court as Chief, and demoting the current CJ, if the Senate also approves.

THAT would be a show!
It doesn't really matter. The Chief Justice title imposes administrative duties, and the perhaps burdensome responsibility as sitting as the trial judge in impeachment trials i the Senate, but does not imbue the holder with any greater authority or weight in the making decisions. The most he can do is, when the vote has been had, is to assign the justice who will author the majority opinion.
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Old 05-01-2020, 4:28 PM
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It doesn't really matter. The Chief Justice title imposes administrative duties, and the perhaps burdensome responsibility as sitting as the trial judge in impeachment trials i the Senate, but does not imbue the holder with any greater authority or weight in the making decisions. The most he can do is, when the vote has been had, is to assign the justice who will author the majority opinion.
True, enough. The votes wouldn’t change and while the CJ can grab an opinion first depending on vote tally, this move would be a rebuke to the CJ, essentially a disciplinary action. SCOTUS caving to political pressure should set off a lot of alarm bells when it happens, and prompting Congress to exercise their plenary impeachment authority to police SCOTUS for corruption. Of course that is also a political football.
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Old 05-01-2020, 7:24 PM
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I just made a new thread for discussion of the remaining 2nd A cases requesting cert after the decision in NYSRPA. Since NYSRPA case is dead, as far as us in CA, let this thread die and take the discussion over to:
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...8#post24215188

That thread is for discussion of the entire group and what SCOTUS is up to versus discussion as to particular aspects of any of the 6 particular cases. Use those cases' own threads for those discussions.

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Old 05-02-2020, 3:10 AM
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I just made a new thread for discussion of the remaining 2nd A cases requesting cert after the decision in NYSRPA. Since NYSRPA case is dead, as far as us in CA, let this thread die and take the discussion over to:
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...8#post24215188

That thread is for discussion of the entire group and what SCOTUS is up to versus discussion as to particular aspects of any of the 6 particular cases. Use those cases own threads for those discussions.
I concur, this horse is dead

And as it turned out. Was never really anything but a lame pony from the start.
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I concur, this horse is dead

And as it turned out. Was never really anything but a lame pony from the start.
Not entirely. We still get to see what CA2 does with the new rule. I imagine they will stay the course, apply "intermediate scrutiny", and say the new rule doesn't infringe.
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Old 05-02-2020, 4:14 AM
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Not entirely. We still get to see what CA2 does with the new rule. I imagine they will stay the course, apply "intermediate scrutiny", and say the new rule doesn't infringe.
I think what's left at CA2 is just going to be assessing any damages. The 2A aspect of the case seems over at this point.
I did feel from the beginning that this case aimed extremely low since a public carry case win would have made this completely moot (people would just get full carry permits so they don't get hassled). It did finally get the elusive cert grant and eventually got (most) of what they wanted so what do I know.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/bench...about-to-dawn/
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Old 05-04-2020, 8:41 PM
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Thanks for the link to that article.

This case is, for all practical purposes, dead to CGNers. The 2nd A cases that are still pending before the Court are being discussed at:
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1609480

I guess you missed my post about that above....
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