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Old 09-14-2008, 8:55 AM
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Default recommend a 1911 gunsmith ?

I have the beginnings of a project here:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...=1#post1523502

My goal would be to make sure the frame is correct and safe, update w/ modern features & parts, and refinish. Then fit to a series 70 Colt Commander slide, add updated sights and POOF, another 1911 shooter!!

Recommend a 'smith who would be willing to take this on?
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Old 09-14-2008, 11:03 AM
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To fit a Commander slide will require further re-working of the frame. I don't know a smith in your area, so can't make recommendation. Perhaps a Government upper would be a simpler fit.

Good luck!
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Old 09-14-2008, 11:57 AM
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John Jardine in Hayward, CA.

http://www.jardinescustom.com/
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Old 09-14-2008, 12:07 PM
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I'll have to swap the slide on them and see if it fits... is it going to be a PITA?

So, I have the Commander uppper on a Nornico frame (I know, I know - blasphemy, right?) and it seems to fit fine... except for the dust cover looking funny. Which is why I'd love to get the frame from the Remington Rand to work since there are no tell tale markings on the frame except for the serial number, once it's refinished (thinking satin nickel) , I'll plan to send the slide off for a very nice reblue job, and even though it's a Franken, it will shoot and look good doing it.



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Old 09-14-2008, 12:28 PM
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You might try Bruce Gray of Grayguns...he's a very honest guy and an exquisitely talented gunsmith who specializes in 1911 and sig's. He's currently making a second custom 1911 for me and i could not be more pleased with the first.
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John Jardine in Hayward, CA.

http://www.jardinescustom.com/
Best there is.
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Yes, but be prepare to pay and wait -

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Default wait yes, but

Oh I'm in no rush... so the wait isn't an issue. BUT -

I can't spend 5k either. Again, this is going to be a shooter, utilitarian.

So I swapped 'em, fit was tight on to the Remington frame, in examining them, I noticed one big difference: The slide rail lenghts on the frames were different. On the Remington, they ran to just above the trigger. On the Norinco they ran to past the slide stop hole. Plus the dust cover runs the full length of the slide. I am starting to "see" the possibilities.

I'm supposing the higher-end 'smiths wouldn't want to bother with a project like this, but will send inquires just the same. Keep 'em coming!



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Default California .45 gunsmith

One of the finest .45 gunsmiths in the US has a small shop in Canoga Park, California - - Jim Hoag. Not to be confused with the grip maker Hogue. Jim Hoag has been building .45's for more years than I can remember. He is one of the originals from Big Bear, during the 60's, shot with Weaver, Jeff Cooper, etc. First learned his trade working for King's, in Glendale.

Jim is a real artist, well into his 60's now and with a few health problems, but still one of the best in the business. He no longer does any advertising, as word of mouth keeps him busy enough.

Not only is he a first rate gunsmith, but a really good guy to chat with. He always has time for his customers.

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/\/\/\ Canoga Ave.

He's fair on pricing too.
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+1 to that John is an artist in Metal....but yeah be prepared for a wait....but when you do get it....it will be nice....[He's done 3 or 4 for our group]

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+1 to that John is an artist in Metal....but yeah be prepared for a wait....but when you do get it....it will be nice....[He's done 3 or 4 for our group]

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What is the realistic turn around time these days for him? I've always known of him since day 1 but never bothered to try hearing all these rumors of 1-2 years +
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Default inquires sent...

Sent inquires to Jardines and Bruce Gray... will give Jim Hoag a call tomorrow... keep 'em coming until I make a connection... will keep you posted!

Found some great leads from the m1911.org forum... Evolution Gun Works has a number of welding services so may turn out to be a place at least to start. If I can get the frame in soild condition, perhaps gunsmiths may more readily take on the rest of the project.

btw. The moderators over there don't mess around. I had "ONC - Occupied Northern CA" as my profile location and got a swat on the backside that it was a "prohibited political statement." Guess I'll need to tip toe when I'm over there....

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Interesting, isn't that already a Commander frame with the short rails? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Interesting, isn't that already a Commander frame with the short rails? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
I'll pull apart one of my older Colt Commanders and check for comparison... I've been so concerned with the state of the dust cover/weld, it didn't register in my head that the frame might be originally a Commander.

Will post comparison pics tonight after work... hate it when this work thing gets in the way of playing with my 1911's...
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What about Ray Boooze. I used him for some small stuff. Super guy ,I don't know a whole lot about him other than he works out of Iron sight s range in Oceanside on mondays and lives in Temecula. I Tink!
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Interesting, isn't that already a Commander frame with the short rails? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Well... I pulled a part a Lightweight Commander and a Stainless XSE Commander and they both have rails that go just past the slide stop hole. Maybe the shorter rails were from "older" 1911 pistols?
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John Jardines is a great guy to talk to. You might get your gun in a year or two.
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Dick Thomas, I am so glad I read your post, I have one of Jims pistols and was trying to find his number..... Thank you!
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Alan Tanaka in So Cal is also a fine gent and does great work. If you want to go out of state then I have a few other ideas. Oh, Terry Tussey in Carson City, or Gene Shuey in Reno also come to mind. Or Craig up in Woodland might be another option........

The problem with using a full size frame and a Commander slide is the slide may go on and move back and forth but the recoil spring tunnel is going to be the wrong length and the frame rails are also too long. Unless the frame is modified the slide just won't work the way it should and you can damage the frame and/or slide. Most decent 'smiths will modify the frame but it will cost ya.
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Will O'Hara down towards Corona is awesome.

Bruce and John are good too, especially if you don't plan to keep the gun (i.e. re-sale, but that might be erased by your combo of Norinco/Colt).

My personal northern California guy, if he's still around or even building 1911's any more, is Eldon Penner up near Santa Rosa. Call Eldon at 707-526-7222. It's his automotive repair shop (Penner Automotive). NO ONE will do it better, faster and affordably.

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My top 2 would be Randy Lee @ Apex Tactical (805-528-5250) , and Grayguns (Bruce Gray). I own examples of both of their work and both are fantastic. They both do exeptional 1911 work!
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Go talk to David Lake at Sierra Arms in Modesto...he's the best around and has the shooters to back him up....he has built custom open class semi's and revolvers that went head to head with jerry miculek or however you spell his name of smith and wesson earily this year.
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I recently had the pleasure of having a used and abused working gun professionally restored to “better-than-original” condition by the Orange County Gunsmith. I brought the gun to him in rough shape (from service in a galaxy far far away), and after a relatively quick timeframe, I was shocked and amazed at what I got back. The gun was fire-damaged and rusted due to fire-damage. When I had originally showed him what he had to work with and the parts I acquired for him to restore the piece, he was honest and gave me straightforward responses and no-nonsense guidance. His encyclopedic knowledge of his trade was evident. I don't know any other gunsmith in Orange County who would have given that particular gun the time of day in their shop at their bench and could have performed the small miracles he performed on that gun (especially considering the shape it was in). When I dropped off the gun, he shrugged and said it was “another day at the bench,” grit his teeth, rolled up his sleeves, and got to work like a master craftsman does. I am supremely pleased with the end results and confident that my working gun will live to fight another day, thanks to his honest, old-school work ethic and master abilities. I was also supremely pleased with the modest fee he charged for his services. I asked him about it and he said, “Look friend, I’m not here to gouge you like others do. This is what I know and what I do.” Well said. I use that particular 1911 as a carry gun for work. If I didn't trust his abilities, I wouldn't use the gun. That handgun now has a couple of thousands of rounds through it and is a trust-worthy working piece. This is why the Orange County Gunsmith is the gunsmith that I will frequent and fully endorse. If you got a 1911 that needs work, call Ade's Gun Shop in Orange, CA, and the OC Gunsmith will help you build the 1911 of your dreams, just like he did for me.
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BLAST from the PAST update:

Well after many years of half-way DOING something, I had a bunch more time recently and got on my horse with this project.

Wilson Combat is doing a 870 retrofit for me so I thought I would shop this project to them. Sent them a bunch of pictures and they had 3 master pistolsmiths take a look... and did not feel comfortable taking on the project.

Did the same with Midwest Gun Works, they actually asked me to send it to them for further evaluation, I had high hopes when I sent it... but a week after they got it called me and said they too, did not want to make a "go" of it. They are shipping it back to me now... soooo bummed.

I got the sense that there must be a liability thing... sigh... I may have to give up on it and make it a cool paper weight, hang it up in the office or garage... I'm thinking if I could find a "local" 1911 guy, smaller shop, maybe they'd give it a go.



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