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Old 09-17-2020, 1:11 PM
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Default Newbie need help .

I never has air gun, I know NOTHING about air gun. I need help from Calguners.
Edit : it will be for target practice, plinking, indoor range 15 yards max.
(1) - The PCP and Air-Cylinder , which one is more convenience ?
(2) - How many shoot can I have with 1 Air-Cylinder or PCP ?
(3) - How much work I need to do to refill the Air-Cylinder ?
(4) - Is this PCP pump is good enough or I need a better one ?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...LN2TLFNH&psc=1
(5) - I like these 3, the price is easy on me and this is my first one, which one you recommend ?
- http://www.champchoice.com/store/Mai...tions&item=887

- http://www.champchoice.com/store/Mai...s&item=CH2009S

- http://www.champchoice.com/store/Mai...ions&item=T200

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Old 09-17-2020, 1:16 PM
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Tag for interest.

I do not know any of the answers, but I think one of the questions will be what do you want to do with the gun.
Is it for target practice, varmint control, or something else?

Good luck.
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Tag for interest.

I do not know any of the answers, but I think one of the questions will be what do you want to do with the gun.
Is it for target practice, varmint control, or something else?

Good luck.
Target practice, plinking, indoor range 15 yards max, to replace 22LR (ammo shortage) and why not, been there done that, I only live once :-)
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CO2 bottle is kind of expensive for regular use.
Depending on the gun, expect low velocity and a limited number of shots that shoot the same....as the pressure drops so does the speed of the projectile so it drops faster too.

PCP is very nice, consistent, often the power is adjustable.
But they do need an air tank or high pressure pump so the getting started investment is high.
Hand pumps work but also give you lots of good exercise, so many prefer an electric pump.

For entry level, it sounds like maybe you want a Benjamin (now Crossman) multi pump pistol (so you can vary the number of pumps / power,) or a Crossman 760 rifle.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-7...t-760B/9222897

https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/cro...dCatid=3061010
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There are many solid vendors that have reviews on their products. Check out Airguns of Arizona, Pyramid Air and Airgun Depot. I’ve never heard of the vendor in the OP’s links. Maybe a good vendor. I just don’t know and hesitate to only source one vendor.

I’d also look at a .177 or .22 Benjamin (Owned by Crosman) PCP rifle. I’ve been firsthand impressed with the Marauder but there are others worth a look too. Read the reviews. The .22 offers more versatility than the .177 when pesting . At 15 yards, I expect both to be stupidly accurate. One ragged hole.

The smaller caliber will get more shots per air fill. I’m not even considering a CO2 or pump, only a PCP. A hand pump is OK for now. A PCP will translate skills well to powderburners but without the kiss. Marauders are gloriously quiet, even indoors.
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Check out Airgunnation.com for lots of discussions on everything air gun.
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Hey,

I'm not any expert but I've been shooting a lot of airguns since 1985.

1) PCP is better, convenient, and cheaper if you shoot a lot, more consistent power.
2) The Crosman listed 70 shots per filled cylinder enough for a sanctionedmatch, but you can buy additional cylinders and prefill them
3) To refill from empty, you will sweat somewhat, the last 20 pumps to full will require some of your body weight. Remember its 2000+ psi..! I would prefill a couple hours before shooting. Cause after a workout on the pump you won't be steady enough to go offhand target shooting very well...
4) But if you're going to get a pump I suggest at least a Benjamin. I use a Hill Pump for mine. That one for $60 may not last a month. The English Hill I have is fully rebuildable. And depending on the humidity in your area I would look at pumps with a dry chamber filter to reduce the moisture going into the gun.


If you're not dead set on PCP what about a Daisy Avanti pneumatic? No air pump needed. Less than 18lbs to stroke the gun. I bought one used from a Calgunner like new for $250.
It's out of stock but highly accurate.
http://www.champchoice.com/store/Mai...tions&item=753


Here is a great website I'm on also about airguns.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA

Some of mine
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Newbie1234,

I am partial to the Air Arm T200 (made by CZ). It is on you list, showing an older stock configuration. Here is another source for it: https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Air_A...et_Sights/2622

Note the customer review tab. Ditto for the Crosman: https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Crosm...No_Sights/1927

If you are looking for a lower cost PCP that can be adjusted easily for power, then this might be an option: https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Air_V...Air_Rifle/5136

However, if you want to compete in formal matches in the future, your other choices are better because they are sanctioned platforms with the right sights.

The prices at the links you provided are better than most other places.

The pump you listed should work. I would go for a Hill Hand Pump. It has lower effort and a very good reputation for durability. Get one with a moisture trap.

Another vote for Gateway to Airguns for quality content:
10 meter competition: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=40
PCPs general: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?board=12

Total shot count, and shot count while maintaining a 1/16" vertical spread can mean two different things. Not much of a problem at 10 m, but at 20 the shift in velocity when shooting a full reservoir of air becomes more important.

Many PCPs have pressure regulator to keep the shot string velocity more consistent. Others do well enough by just shooting perhaps 2/3 of the maximum number of shots. The air rifles you are considering shoot at below 600 FPS to comply with olympic rules. They are sure to get 100+ shots per fill. Perhaps 70+ of those should be good for serious target shooting. This kind of info can be found at Gateway to Airguns.

Here is some general info about PCP air files:










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This is OP.

Keep it coming guys, I read and digest all of your posts.
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What is brand and model of the silver rifle ? Is that the Olympic rifle ? How much for its cost ? I do not know anything about that rifle but it looks "cool" to me
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That appears to be this $2k Feinwerkbau: http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Feinwe...ifle/3508#6755

Actually slightly more at champschoice: http://www.champchoice.com/store/Mai...ons&item=32369
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Thanks for posting the vids good information. I upgraded my Hatsan to Reg, that was an easy upgrade. My AirArms S510 not gonna attempt will purchase the Reg version.

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That appears to be this $2k Feinwerkbau: http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Feinwe...ifle/3508#6755

Actually slightly more at champschoice: http://www.champchoice.com/store/Mai...ons&item=32369
Yep that is the newer model series 800. Mine is the 700 and around $1800 back then. The trigger is in the ounces. You almost let off by just thinking about it..! Yes, when you miss, you can't blame the equipment on these type of airguns.
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Yep that is the newer model series 800. Mine is the 700 and around $1800 back then. The trigger is in the ounces. You almost let off by just thinking about it..! Yes, when you miss, you can't blame the equipment on these type of airguns.
$1800 is cheap for an air rifle of that type nowadays. The top of the line Feinwerkbau currently is the 800X. Which can be found for just under $3000.

I've owned Anschutz, Feinwerkbau, and Walther air rifles. But I was an athlete with USA Shooting for several years.

My current rifle is the new Walther LG500 Monotec seen below. I received one of the first ones to come to the USA. Great rifle, but at $4000 it better be.

Getting this type of rifle only make sense if you're actively competing and trying to make the Olympic Team.



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