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[dawgcasa]

Originally Posted by pblawman

First time applicant:

Applied online: 1/15/21
Interview scheduled: 7/7/21

I've uploaded all of the documents but I'm holding back on the CCW class and the Livescan until we get closer to the interview time.

If your good cause statement generally meets what OCSD expects for “almost shall issue”, and your background is clean, then why would you wait on the CCW class and Livescan? If you think you have a 99.999% chance of being approved, you’re going to spend that money anyway, so just get it done. Waiting to complete those steps will just slow the whole process down. If they can move your appointment up and you don’t have everything ready, guess what, you missed your chance to move up your issue date. Think of the CCW class as a gun safety class ... its just an investment in yourself to be more confident in handling your gun.

(BTW ... I’ve been through CCW qualification/renewal five times now ... and at every CCW requalification, there’s always 1-2 people there who have NO idea of how to handle or shoot a gun, and have no business getting a CCW just for the safety of those around them)

[pblawman]

Originally Posted by dawgcasa

If your good cause statement generally meets what OCSD expects for “almost shall issue”, and your background is clean, then why would you wait on the CCW class and Livescan?

Good call. I don't anticipate any issues with my GC and I don't have anything in my background that would be a problem (arrest and dismissal for disorderly conduct 25 years ago). I've disclosed everything.

I signed up for the pre-CCW class, and that's when I learned that I could (and should) apply before having everything completed. I'm still evaluating where/how I want to complete my CCW training. I'm thinking I should look for an instructor who is certified in some of the surrounding states so I can get licensed there if I'm so inclined.

[Mike_T]

Originally Posted by pblawman

Good call. I don't anticipate any issues with my GC and I don't have anything in my background that would be a problem (arrest and dismissal for disorderly conduct 25 years ago). I've disclosed everything.

I signed up for the pre-CCW class, and that's when I learned that I could (and should) apply before having everything completed. I'm still evaluating where/how I want to complete my CCW training. I'm thinking I should look for an instructor who is certified in some of the surrounding states so I can get licensed there if I'm so inclined.

Artemis defense institute has a free pre ccw class and also provides training with firearm qualification.


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[dawgcasa]

Originally Posted by pblawman

Good call. I don't anticipate any issues with my GC and I don't have anything in my background that would be a problem (arrest and dismissal for disorderly conduct 25 years ago). I've disclosed everything.

I signed up for the pre-CCW class, and that's when I learned that I could (and should) apply before having everything completed. I'm still evaluating where/how I want to complete my CCW training. I'm thinking I should look for an instructor who is certified in some of the surrounding states so I can get licensed there if I'm so inclined.

My initial CCW training in 2012 was with FTA (Firearms Training Associates), and in the class they did all the fingerprinting and applications for non-resident CCW permits in UT, AZ, and FL. While AZ is constitutional carry, the permit covers a few scenarios like carrying on school property, within a restaurant that serves alcohol, etc., in addition to whatever reciprocity it gains you.

[Mike_T]

Originally Posted by dawgcasa

My initial CCW training in 2012 was with FTA (Firearms Training Associates), and in the class they did all the fingerprinting and applications for non-resident CCW permits in UT, AZ, and FL. While AZ is constitutional carry, the permit covers a few scenarios like carrying on school property, within a restaurant that serves alcohol, etc., in addition to whatever reciprocity it gains you.

Nice! Yeah I got mine for Utah and az. Still waiting on California.


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[pblawman]

I just got to thinking about my application. One of the guns I applied to register is a Sig Sauer P320. I purchased the XCarry 9MM. I ordered a conversion kit and now use it primarily as a compact 40 caliber (and sometimes drop a 357 barrel in). I listed the Sig with the 40 on my OC application. If they search the serial number (which I suspect they will), will the discrepancy be an issue?

[socal m1 shooter]

Originally Posted by pblawman

[...]I'm thinking I should look for an instructor who is certified in some of the surrounding states so I can get licensed there if I'm so inclined.

I did the multi-state add-on at Artemis, where the class is taught by someone licensed with AZ, FL, and UT. The instructor is certified to roll prints for those states, so basically you leave the class (assuming you opt for multi-state) with fingerprint cards, certificates, needed photos, etc., for those states.

In other words, you have everything you need to drop the applications for AZ, FL, and UT in the mail when you walk out the door.

If applying to those other states, and you did not disclose that on your initial app with OCSD, I would drop them an email advising of same. I'm sure they will see some record of the background checks from the other states, since they are backlogged.

[9Cal_OC]

Originally Posted by pblawman

I just got to thinking about my application. One of the guns I applied to register is a Sig Sauer P320. I purchased the XCarry 9MM. I ordered a conversion kit and now use it primarily as a compact 40 caliber (and sometimes drop a 357 barrel in). I listed the Sig with the 40 on my OC application. If they search the serial number (which I suspect they will), will the discrepancy be an issue?

I believe you’d have to list it twice, and qualify with both as 9mm and .40.

[socal m1 shooter]

Originally Posted by 9Cal_OC

I believe you’d have to list it twice, and qualify with both as 9mm and .40.

Possibly, but from a different angle, this almost seems catch-22-like. I would think, pick a caliber and stick to it. But I could be wrong, and if I was OCSD I might be disinclined to allow this for different reasons. For example, a factory Glock has the (mostly matching) serial number on the frame, slide, and barrel. There are commonly issues with recording of Glock serial numbers in AFS, to the point where they have learned to search flexibly, because for whatever reason Glock doesn't list the serial number exactly the same way in all locations. If your frame serial number is "ABC123 US," at least some of the barrels and slides will read ABC123 (I don't know about > gen 2 for sure, but that is how it is with gen 2 Glocks), and many gunshop employees will read it off the slide/barrel when entering the data into AFS. So when OCSD verifies the serial number of a Glock for a permit, I think most of the OCSD personnel know to search for ABC123 when ABC123US doesn't come up right away. But if I was working for the OCSD and this question came up, "can I have the same gun with two different calibers on my permit?", I would be thinking, this is a potential pain in my @ss, easier to say NO, because think of the possible confusion and hassle this may generate when I am issuing 7000+ permits per year.

Suppose Joe Blow lists his G22, serial number ABC123US, on his permit. Sometime later he gets a wild hair, and decides what he really needs is an OEM slide modified to accept an RMR and a 9mm drop-in barrel. So he gets that and goes to his instructor and qualifies with it, but his instructor has 40 people qualifying and in the rush, copies the XYZ789 serial number off the modified slide and puts it on the certificate. That slide is registered to a gun owned by John Q. Public from Timbuktu, and when Joe Blow files his permit or amendment application, an investigator puts that XYZ789 serial number in and it shows something that raises questions. So now they have to call Joe Blow and see about figuring it out. That is a pain in the @ss, and that is why I would refuse permission for such a practice (listing the same gun with two different calibers on the permit). It's just easier to say NO.

The OCSD policy is quoted upthread, and modifications require requalification/amendment. So I would expect caliber change = modification = requalify and amend permit. If a person wants to avoid paying excess fees, I suppose it could be handled on a single permit application/single permit amendment, so long as the CCW instructor signs off on it.

Maybe run it by a seasoned CCW instructor or two before asking OCSD for their take? Better to ask forgiveness rather than permission?

[pblawman]

Originally Posted by socal m1 shooter

Maybe run it by a seasoned CCW instructor or two before asking OCSD for their take? Better to ask forgiveness rather than permission?

All good points. I did ask at least one instructor who promised to get back to me. I also reached out to OCSD. Ordinarily I'd say it's easier to ask for forgiveness, but in this case the stakes are too high. The only time it will be an issue is if I ever (God forbid) had to use it, and I wouldn't want a valid use to be somehow spoiled by an improper permit.

I'll come back as I learn more.

[Balz33]

Your CCW wouldn't be denied because of the gun but they might say it has to stay one way. I qualified 3 pistols during my training in late October so I'd say just have a backup option on initial app

Originally Posted by socal m1 shooter

Possibly, but from a different angle, this almost seems catch-22-like. I would think, pick a caliber and stick to it. But I could be wrong, and if I was OCSD I might be disinclined to allow this for different reasons. For example, a factory Glock has the (mostly matching) serial number on the frame, slide, and barrel. There are commonly issues with recording of Glock serial numbers in AFS, to the point where they have learned to search flexibly, because for whatever reason Glock doesn't list the serial number exactly the same way in all locations. If your frame serial number is "ABC123 US," at least some of the barrels and slides will read ABC123 (I don't know about > gen 2 for sure, but that is how it is with gen 2 Glocks), and many gunshop employees will read it off the slide/barrel when entering the data into AFS. So when OCSD verifies the serial number of a Glock for a permit, I think most of the OCSD personnel know to search for ABC123 when ABC123US doesn't come up right away. But if I was working for the OCSD and this question came up, "can I have the same gun with two different calibers on my permit?", I would be thinking, this is a potential pain in my @ss, easier to say NO, because think of the possible confusion and hassle this may generate when I am issuing 7000+ permits per year.

Suppose Joe Blow lists his G22, serial number ABC123US, on his permit. Sometime later he gets a wild hair, and decides what he really needs is an OEM slide modified to accept an RMR and a 9mm drop-in barrel. So he gets that and goes to his instructor and qualifies with it, but his instructor has 40 people qualifying and in the rush, copies the XYZ789 serial number off the modified slide and puts it on the certificate. That slide is registered to a gun owned by John Q. Public from Timbuktu, and when Joe Blow files his permit or amendment application, an investigator puts that XYZ789 serial number in and it shows something that raises questions. So now they have to call Joe Blow and see about figuring it out. That is a pain in the @ss, and that is why I would refuse permission for such a practice (listing the same gun with two different calibers on the permit). It's just easier to say NO.

The OCSD policy is quoted upthread, and modifications require requalification/amendment. So I would expect caliber change = modification = requalify and amend permit. If a person wants to avoid paying excess fees, I suppose it could be handled on a single permit application/single permit amendment, so long as the CCW instructor signs off on it.

Maybe run it by a seasoned CCW instructor or two before asking OCSD for their take? Better to ask forgiveness rather than permission?

[mike_in_ca]

Originally Posted by socal m1 shooter

Possibly, but from a different angle, this almost seems catch-22-like. I would think, pick a caliber and stick to it. But I could be wrong, and if I was OCSD I might be disinclined to allow this for different reasons. For example, a factory Glock has the (mostly matching) serial number on the frame, slide, and barrel. There are commonly issues with recording of Glock serial numbers in AFS, to the point where they have learned to search flexibly, because for whatever reason Glock doesn't list the serial number exactly the same way in all locations. If your frame serial number is "ABC123 US," at least some of the barrels and slides will read ABC123 (I don't know about > gen 2 for sure, but that is how it is with gen 2 Glocks), and many gunshop employees will read it off the slide/barrel when entering the data into AFS. So when OCSD verifies the serial number of a Glock for a permit, I think most of the OCSD personnel know to search for ABC123 when ABC123US doesn't come up right away. But if I was working for the OCSD and this question came up, "can I have the same gun with two different calibers on my permit?", I would be thinking, this is a potential pain in my @ss, easier to say NO, because think of the possible confusion and hassle this may generate when I am issuing 7000+ permits per year.

Suppose Joe Blow lists his G22, serial number ABC123US, on his permit. Sometime later he gets a wild hair, and decides what he really needs is an OEM slide modified to accept an RMR and a 9mm drop-in barrel. So he gets that and goes to his instructor and qualifies with it, but his instructor has 40 people qualifying and in the rush, copies the XYZ789 serial number off the modified slide and puts it on the certificate. That slide is registered to a gun owned by John Q. Public from Timbuktu, and when Joe Blow files his permit or amendment application, an investigator puts that XYZ789 serial number in and it shows something that raises questions. So now they have to call Joe Blow and see about figuring it out. That is a pain in the @ss, and that is why I would refuse permission for such a practice (listing the same gun with two different calibers on the permit). It's just easier to say NO.

The OCSD policy is quoted upthread, and modifications require requalification/amendment. So I would expect caliber change = modification = requalify and amend permit. If a person wants to avoid paying excess fees, I suppose it could be handled on a single permit application/single permit amendment, so long as the CCW instructor signs off on it.

Maybe run it by a seasoned CCW instructor or two before asking OCSD for their take? Better to ask forgiveness rather than permission?

Second your first paragraph
IMO - and you get what you pay for...
Pick a Caliber and Weapon and stick with it. I have 2 Glock 19s and a Subcompact XD9 (until my new G26 gets out of DROS Jail) on my permit.
All I do is train the crap out of them. Everytime I shoot I know what I'm getting. No need to get bogged down in the weeds with this slide, caliber or that barrel. Pick a platform shoot, train, carry

[pblawman]

Originally Posted by mike_in_ca

Second your first paragraph
IMO - and you get what you pay for...
Pick a Caliber and Weapon and stick with it...No need to get bogged down in the weeds with this slide, caliber or that barrel. Pick a platform shoot, train, carry

I agree. My preference is to carry my Sig P320 as a compact 40. That's what I listed on my application. I didn't even list it on my application as a 9mm. What I'm wondering is if the fact that the caliber on my application doesn't match the caliber on the DROS will cause them to reject that firearm. If so, I can revert to the 9mm and train with it, as well as my Glock 27. We shall see.

[steadyrock]

Originally Posted by mroppman

I am scheduled for a CCW interview in Orange County but one part of my background got me concerned and I am not sure if it is an automatic disqualification or if it is up to the sheriffs discretion.

Two years ago I got behind on my student loans. My attorney was able to mitigate with the collectors and we negotiated a payment plan and I have been on schedule since. We never went to court but there was a judgment where I agreed to the payment plan. I attend to be honest and disclose this.

Besides that my record is clean, no traffic violations, nothing criminal or drug related.

Does anyone have any experience if this diminishes my chances to obtain a canceled license or is the sheriff more concerns about more sever violations?

Thankful for any insight!

I don’t have direct experience with this so take my free advice for what it’s worth, but I can’t see this being an issue. You didn’t rob a bank to catch up on your payments, did you?

You’re not a criminal, lots of folks run into money issues. You did the responsible thing to work with the lender so if anything, it might help demonstrate your character.


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