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Old 06-04-2020, 1:57 PM
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Have you made any progress?

On a related note, I recently received a brand new Uberti '51 Navy and when I took it apart to clean it, the hammer locked up a bit because the hand could move forward with no cylinder to push against. It reminded me of your issue.

If you can't get the backstrap screws to move, you can take the trigger guard off with them in place. It takes a lot more care, but it gives access to the bottom of the hammer and the bolt and trigger. I can tell you how I have done it if you are interested.
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Old 06-04-2020, 3:01 PM
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I was waiting for TRAP55 to update us on his progress - so the pistol still lies in pieces on my kitchen table - while I spray the penetrating oil every few days.
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Old 06-04-2020, 3:54 PM
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The 1862 has been done, kinda. The one remaining piece is the loading lever catch. The whole creeper style loading assembly was missing, so it's all repro. I've got to extend the catch about an 1/8" to hold the lever up. I've got a guy that's an artist with a TIG welder on small stuff, but he just got back to work from the covid lockup, and has to catch up there first. It's fully functioning now, but it's going into a display case. I'll "try" and get some pics when it cools off, fan on the PC, and it's still begging for mercy.
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Old 06-04-2020, 4:39 PM
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Just another couple of FYI/DIY tricks for "stuck screws".

My favorite "penetrating oil" mix is 50/50 ATF/Lacquer Thinner.

2 stuck screw screwdriver tricks are;
[1]... Proper fitting bit that reaches bottom of screw slot. With work firmly held either in bench top [extra hands] help. Or secured in padded vise jaws. Firmly hold bit into bottom of slot. And repeatedly give it gentle taps with hammer of appropriate weight. Then try turning IN slightly as already mentioned. The vibrations help to crack loose the rust, and or thread bind. And allow oil to get where needed.

[2]... Basically same as [1]... After doing [1]... With properly fitted bit held firmly into bottom of slot. Repeatedly "tap" the bit as you apply torgue to it. Like a "MINI IMPACT WRENCH".

Credit where due, belongs to an old friend and gunsmith "Dick Donoho" of {Universal Arms, Paramount Ca...Dick's Gun Works, Bellflower Ca,...and last I heard from him, Weatherby's, South Gate Ca}
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Old 06-14-2020, 4:06 PM
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Had to order denatured alcohol online.

Lowes and Home Depot both do not carry it anymore and Rite Aide and Longs said they hadn't had any for weeks.

No idea why it is missing from store shelves.

Is it used in making home explosives or something....LOL
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Old 06-14-2020, 6:27 PM
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Homemade disinfectant and hand sanitizer for Covid 19...our pharmacy finally got some rubbing alcohol in and we were able to buy a couple bottles.
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Old 03-28-2021, 9:07 PM
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Since I was getting nowhere with this pistol, I took Russ's advice and sent it to Sergio in Texas to get worked on - his update is:

I took the gun apart to see what the issue was...turns out that your guns trigger tooth was too thick to slide into the hammer notch for half cock which got it jammed up. Good thing you didnt try and force it as it would have damaged it. To fix that issue i had to thin the hammer tooth on both ends. Whats weird is that it should never have worked as it doesnt fit and isnt the original trigger ...or its not the original hammer. One of them was changed out to build a complete gun. The insides are pretty worn but im going to smooth it out and see what can be done to make it a smooth gun. Also another issue keeping it from cycling was that the insides of the gun was packed with some type of stiff waxy glue like material. It was causing the parts to stick. I think it was the black powder lube called Bore Butter or some other homemade black powderlube...it basically got old and solidified and helped jam up the works. Its been cleaned and It can be cocked now without issue but its a little gritty and stiff...which might be fine for some folks but not me. Just wanted to give you a status update.

Will continue to update this thread on why I should never again buy a used black powder pistol or send it to Sergio much quicker.....or whatever happens next.
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My preferred "penetrant" is an eyeballed 50/50 mix of lacquer thinner and ATF. Keep a little 2 oz long nosed squeeze bottle on garage, shop, and loading benches. And a few hypodermics for getting into small spots, like back side of screw holes.

It's like "Brylcreem" a "little dab'l do ya". [oops dated myself]

Whichever penetrant chosen. Clean it out of screw slots before putting any torque on the bit. For that I use Lacquer thinner and Q-tips.

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Glad you got it fixed. The Walker is fun to take to the range. I will have mine out at my club's next black powder shoot next month. Show some pics when you finally get to make some smoke!
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Iím glad to hear he is helping you. He does a lot of work for people on another forum I use. Everyone raves about his work. Iíve sent him three revolvers so far and am very happy with the results.
My walker was new and didnít work so I had him fix it.


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Also. If the nipples on your walker look old or hammered let me know. I have a new set just laying around that you can have. I wanted to try slick shot nipples so I put some on my walker when I got it.


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Old 04-02-2021, 8:45 AM
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Latest update:

So im doing some fitment work on your gun so that it cycles better and is smooth...am.going to build a two part torsion wire set up to replace the stiff flat trigger/bolt spring. The trigger and hammer notches had to have a whole lot of fitment and adjustment work especially since they werent matching/fitted parts from the factory as someone swapped out parts. So your gun should be available to be sent out by monday..atleast thats what im aiming for. But shouldnt be any later than wednesday. Phew! This gun was a doozie! But you will definately feel a difference when you handle it.
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Latest update:

Well i found out that its your hammer that isnt original. Reason being is that it doesn't reach the nipples yet has an indent ring from hitting nipples on the previous gun it was on. So this gun has a pretty large gap between the nipple and the hammer face, which would cause the hammer to never be able to hit a cap to fire a round. I tried firing a few caps and none went off...this is how i found the issue. Everything internally is tuned...only step left is to fix that issue. Usually what gets done is a new hammer is installed but theyre no longer made for this company...the next best a thing is to raise the nipples higher (not by much, only a about 7-10 thousandths of an inch, but that much can make the difference between firing and not firing) to reach the hammer face, which is easy and can be done with a spacer ring (think of it as a washer). BUUUUUT...the nipples are rusted to the cylinder. No problem though...all i got to do is soak the cylinder in penetrating oil for a day or two to loosen the nipples screw threading so they can be unscrewed from the cylinder. It may not even take that long as i was already able to remove two nipples....but it took a whole lot of work lol. So im going to let the penetrating oil do its job and then add the spacers to raise the nipples to make contact with the hammer face for guaranteed ignition. But the gun is smooth and can now be cocked with just one hand. This gun was a doozie with a lot of issues, but all the issues have been sorted out and im hoping to be able to send it tomorrow or day after. I was going to send it today...but so glad i didnt as it wouldnt have fired a single round...glad i decided to try popping a few caps before packaging it up for return. Just thought id give you another status update.
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Old 04-07-2021, 10:45 PM
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Wow. Thatís a lot of work. Iíll ask him if it was as bad as my used gun I sent him


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He is doing a ton of work on it.

The guy who sold me that used gun must have known it was a lemon.
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Received the pistol back, it looks the same except it works now. I will say that Sergio was prompt/responsive/etc. and quick in his work on my pistol.

If I wasn't a Black Powder idiot perhaps I could make an intelligent comment on the work. Can't really say I plan on shooting it in the future.....just like the other BP pistols I bought last year that still sit in their factory boxes.

Guess I need to see "Ride with the Devil" again to renew my flagging interest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8Vwm6dBQI8 I never actually noticed during my initial viewing of the film - that they never show them reloading or cleaning their pistols. The idea that I will have to use boiling water and that it will probably jam after 20 shots.....doesn't appeal to me in the present moment.

Do you actual "fan" this type of pistol? Guessing they would not allow that at my local range. Think I would need a glove as I would imagine it would hurt.
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Old 04-12-2021, 11:09 PM
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Definitely wear gloves if you plan on fanning the pistol. I learned that one the hard way.
Glad you got it back and it is working to your liking. You should totally take it out and shoot it


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