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He passed the Handgun Combat Master test today!

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Congratulations Vince!! What was his score and what was he shooting?
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Congratulations Vince!! What was his score and what was he shooting?
Vince was shooting a Glock 17.

Score = 40 shooting. Cleaned Malfunctions. Total Score = 40
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Vince was shooting a Glock 17.

Score = 40 shooting. Cleaned Malfunctions. Total Score = 40
Holy crap, no pressure on those malfunctions!.

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Seriously? Only 28?? How many have tried? A couple thousand?
Yup, probably. And consider that each class shoots the test 4 times.
That's a LOT of failed attempts over the history of Front Sight. Pretty awesome to hear of another joining that pretty Elite group of shooters.
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Anyone down in So Cal up for practicing these drills together?
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Anyone down in So Cal up for practicing these drills together?


The HCM drills or the 4DDHG skills? We ran our group through the 4D drills at Burro last Saturday..... THE LINE IS SET....READY......

Every time I’m out there I practice malfunctions more than anything. It’s the least practiced thing in most people’s range time.
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QUESTION 1: do people run battle belts at the 4D Defensive Handgun class?
I typically train with a battle belt... but it's rare that I see someone else using one. Obviously not practical for real-life situations... but I like to use it because I'm carrying a lot (I normally have space for at least 4-5 mags and have a misc pouch I can use too. I wear cargo pants and use 1 pocket for loose ammo (with reloader) and the other to dump empty mags and the rounds from clearing the chamber, but I have the option to add a pouch to the belt to carry ammo as well. I probably get some weird looks from people that must be thinking "this guy thinks he's tacticool" but and it's nice to have the weight distributed on my hips and I can easily just clip on/off my battle belt with all my gear (holster and pouches) w/o having to undo my pants belt and take everything off.
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The next time someone is able to set up HCM drills I’d love to practice with
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All in all, I guess the Wife is ready for her first foray into firearms, 4DDHG:
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Just want to see if there are any second opinions: Would my newbie-to-guns Wife be better served with a Glock 34? Or a Glock 19?


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The HCM drills or the 4DDHG skills? We ran our group through the 4D drills at Burro last Saturday..... THE LINE IS SET....READY......
Based on previous comments to the thread, Front Sight doesn't mandate the modified Weaver stance to the stance. That said, for HCM/4DDHG tests, etc. - will shooting them, in say, Isosceles disqualify you?


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If there are any - count me in...

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Just want to see if there are any second opinions: Would my newbie-to-guns Wife be better served with a Glock 34? Or a Glock 19?









Based on previous comments to the thread, Front Sight doesn't mandate the modified Weaver stance to the stance. That said, for HCM/4DDHG tests, etc. - will shooting them, in say, Isosceles disqualify you?













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For 4DDHG if you put shots on target either isosceles or weaver you will not get disqualified.

They may try to ‘correct’ you and tell you why isosceles has its limitations but once you show proficiency they will leave you alone or REALLY push you to balance your speed and accuracy.


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Just want to see if there are any second opinions: Would my newbie-to-guns Wife be better served with a Glock 34? Or a Glock 19?
I think the G19 would be a better fit.
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For 4DDHG if you put shots on target either isosceles or weaver you will not get disqualified.

They may try to ‘correct’ you and tell you why isosceles has its limitations but once you show proficiency they will leave you alone or REALLY push you to balance your speed and accuracy.
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I think the G19 would be a better fit.
Now that it has been said, never did really have her hold the G19. Yeah, it may be a better fit considering that the G19 has a shorter grip and she has smaller hands. Let me check tonight.

About 2-weeks before the family drives out to Pahrump.

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Acknowledged! Thanks!

Now that it has been said, never did really have her hold the G19. Yeah, it may be a better fit considering that the G19 has a shorter grip and she has smaller hands. Let me check tonight.

About 2-weeks before the family drives out to Pahrump.

Cheers!
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Also, the longer barrel/slide on the G34 will make coming up and out of the holster more difficult.
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Whatever Glock she uses, make sure it has an extended mag release and extended slide lock lever. The FS Armorer can install these if needed.

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Good point...

As I think about it, won't the longer slide make it more difficult for a beginner to get sight alignment quickly? Particularly at nearer distances?

Hhhmmm....
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Good point...

As I think about it, won't the longer slide make it more difficult for a beginner to get sight alignment quickly? Particularly at nearer distances?

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dont worry about it too much. She won't be pressing the trigger quickly enough to worry about it and if she does tell her to put the brakes on especially if her shots are all over the place.

The sight radius is going to help her at 10 and 15 yards with the 34.

Just go and enjoy.

Personally if she can handle it dont have her shoot with gloves even if it's cold. Just have her keep her hands warm prior to the shooting strings.

If she absolutely does need gloves make sure they fit well and dont allow that firearm to jump around in her hand.

You'll want to go back regardless especially if its her first time. You'll learn a lot from the first time and should fall in a groove by the second day and take notes on what you think will help for the next time around.

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Good point...

As I think about it, won't the longer slide make it more difficult for a beginner to get sight alignment quickly? Particularly at nearer distances?

Hhhmmm....

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Not on a Glock it won't. Cuz' it'll point in the wrong direction!!! LOL! J/K.

Seriously though-Interesting point. I always thought a longer sight radius meant easier, faster sight acquisition? But, you may have a point.
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Not on a Glock it won't. Cuz' it'll point in the wrong direction!!! LOL! J/K.

Seriously though-Interesting point. I always thought a longer sight radius meant easier, faster sight acquisition? But, you may have a point.
Yeah, the caveat is with closer targets (at least for me). When I'm on the GSSF matches, my splits are way faster with the G19 on the nearer targets when compared to the G34 .

Of course, when it comes to the farther targets, ie., 20+ yards, the G34 is slightly better (emphasis on "slightly").




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dont worry about it too much. She won't be pressing the trigger quickly enough to worry about it and if she does tell her to put the brakes on especially if her shots are all over the place.

The sight radius is going to help her at 10 and 15 yards with the 34.

Just go and enjoy.
Got it! But regardless, I will still have her try both. She needs to be comfortable, even at least for "feel," since she will be using it for 4-days.

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She is actually NOT a fan of firearms. But with guns in the house; we felt it best that she at least gets some form of training (formal instruction).

If she does like it - then all will be good. This will be another activity we can both share and enjoy!

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She is actually NOT a fan of firearms. But with guns in the house; we felt it best that she at least gets some form of training (formal instruction).

If she does like it - then all will be good. This will be another activity we can both share and enjoy!




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Those are important points.

You don’t have to be a fan of firearms to protect the family BUT you do have to train to know how to use them.

I have this feeling she will want to go back. At the very least they will give her the confidence to handle a firearm safely. Who knows after this she may want you to come to bed with chaps and a holster!




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I have this feeling she will want to go back. At the very least they will give her the confidence to handle a firearm safely. Who knows after this she may want you to come to bed with chaps and a holster!
Whoa! That will be awesome if it does happen...

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Yeah, the caveat is with closer targets (at least for me). When I'm on the GSSF matches, my splits are way faster with the G19 on the nearer targets when compared to the G34 .

Of course, when it comes to the farther targets, ie., 20+ yards, the G34 is slightly better (emphasis on "slightly").
This is a factor of learning how 'bad' the sight picture can be for the different length slides.

Here's an experiment that illustrates the difference. At a fixed range, 10 yards is good, shoot the 19 at the 4 extreme points of the sight picture. That's front sight at equal height to rear sight but with front sight all the way to the right, then the left. Then FS centered side to side but with top of FS at the bottom of the rear notch and then an equal amount above. Repeat on a fresh target at the same range with the 34.

What you will find is that the longer site radius of the 34 will result in a smaller diamond pattern on target then the 19. So, if one is concentrating 'too much' on site picture, the 34 will be slower at short distances and faster at long distances.

The correct answer is you need to learn the acceptable site picture for the gun you are using. You are fully capable of shooting the 34 as 'fast' as the 19, you're likely using the wrong 'acceptable' site picture.
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dont worry about it too much. She won't be pressing the trigger quickly enough to worry about it and if she does tell her to put the brakes on especially if her shots are all over the place.

The sight radius is going to help her at 10 and 15 yards with the 34.
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Hi Guys -

I got to check with my Wife on both the G19 and the G34. She prefers the latter due to the taller grip. She adds that she likes the "balance" of the G34 better...

So, I guess I will be going with the HK USP Expert 45 (I can't use my other G34 because of the light trigger... And I'm just lazy switching things out...)...

Okay, which reminds me - I need to purchase that $1 video for her to watch.



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Whatever Glock she uses, make sure it has an extended mag release and extended slide lock lever. The FS Armorer can install these if needed.
The G34 she will be using is stock, it will have both the extended mag release and the extended slide lock lever. Hhhhmmm, though I prefer the extended mag release; I changed the extended slide lock lever on my other G34 with a standard one...

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Just got to FS, it's a brisk 44° right now with a high of 67
Should be fun.
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Just got to FS, it's a brisk 44° right now with a high of 67
Should be fun.
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Just got to FS, it's a brisk 44° right now with a high of 67
Should be fun.
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I got to check with my Wife on both the G19 and the G34. She prefers the latter due to the taller grip. She adds that she likes the "balance" of the G34 better...



So, I guess I will be going with the HK USP Expert 45 (I can't use my other G34 because of the light trigger... And I'm just lazy switching things out...)...



Okay, which reminds me - I need to purchase that $1 video for her to watch.











The G34 she will be using is stock, it will have both the extended mag release and the extended slide lock lever. Hhhhmmm, though I prefer the extended mag release; I changed the extended slide lock lever on my other G34 with a standard one...



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Thanks for the update! I also predict your wife will want to go back. Better stock up on ammo ASAP!!!! Lol!

Although my wife enjoyed shooting, I think she was getting overloaded with all of the practicing we were doing prior to and kinda burnt out. But, by the morning of the 2nd day, she was asking when are we planning on going back? that was 4 years ago...


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Thanks for the update! I also predict your wife will want to go back. Better stock up on ammo ASAP!!!! Lol!
If she does! It would be the BEST X'mas present ever!



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Just got to FS, it's a brisk 44° right now with a high of 67
Should be fun.
Good information to know! I'll let my Wife know so we can prep up both our clothes and the kids'

Layering indeed! Dec 14 here we come!



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This is a factor of learning how 'bad' the sight picture can be for the different length slides.

....

The correct answer is you need to learn the acceptable site picture for the gun you are using. You are fully capable of shooting the 34 as 'fast' as the 19, you're likely using the wrong 'acceptable' site picture.
Quite insightful.

What I did feel on my part was that in the shorter distances, it took a tad longer for the G34 to settle back after recoil. But at longer ranges, since I needed a better alignment, I was slightly faster with the G19. It felt like swinging a long vs short rod/stick.

The next time I get the chance - I'll have to re-evaluate the difference.

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Winter gear for Front Sight (add to these)


Seat pads for the metal chairs
Lap blanket
Rain gear (just in case)
Face masks https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07J5HFJFS..._n1R.BbQN477SF









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I would agree to most of this but for those who have taken the 4 Day multiple times I would suggest pushing yourself to see how you'd perform under adverse conditions. Freezing cold is one of those conditions.

Defensive Handgun suggests exactly that but its so scripted and people find themselves DG'ing over and over again so take it to the next level. Shoot one handed, dont use those gloves, shoot with your non dominant eye, etc.
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i've been looking through the DG requirements for the skills tests for the 4D Def Handgun, and 4D Practical Rifle. i think they're pretty do-able, but that depends on the size of the targets.

QUESTION: how large are the targets for the 4D Def Handgun, and 4D Practical Rifle? is it basically the size of an ALPHA zone on a USPSA/IPSC target?

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Late her than the A zone smaller than the C zone. I can measure a target when I get home. Head box is 3x4.
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The thoracic cavity part of the target is about as tall as the A zone and about as wide as the C zone. It's hemispheric-ally shaped.

Here's pic of a target to give you an idea of the size of the scoring areas. (Ignore the shooting. It's an old pic. I don't have a pic of a clean one.)


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The thoracic cavity part of the target is about as tall as the A zone and about as wide as the C zone. It's hemispheric-ally shaped.
Base is 12" and Height is 9 1/4"


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thanks guys! this is super helpful.
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Defensive Handgun suggests exactly that but its so scripted and people find themselves DG'ing over and over again so take it to the next level. Shoot one handed, dont use those gloves, shoot with your non dominant eye, etc.
Hehehe!!! Glad I am not one of those that are frequenting 4DDHG... No expectations, no pressure... Not really looking to getting a DG, just to accompany the Wife (was planning to take the rifle class but most suggested it best to accompany the "Boss")...



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i've been looking through the DG requirements for the skills tests for the 4D Def Handgun, and 4D Practical Rifle. i think they're pretty do-able, but that depends on the size of the targets
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The thoracic cavity part of the target is about as tall as the A zone and about as wide as the C zone. It's hemispheric-ally shaped.
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Base is 12" and Height is 9 1/4"

So, to DG the 4DDHG - just go for Charlies at the minimum? Go more for speed rather than accuracy (aiming for Alphas)...?


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So, to DG the 4DDHG - just go for Charlies at the minimum? Go more for speed rather than accuracy (aiming for Alphas)...?


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