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Old 10-17-2019, 4:52 PM
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So I have an extra stripped lower sitting around, was entertaining the idea of building a dedicated 22 out of it for my son. If memory serves the 22 doesn't fall under any of the assault weapon laws so I should be alright with pistol grip and detachable mags correct?
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Correct. Over all length still applies though.
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So I have an extra stripped lower sitting around, was entertaining the idea of building a dedicated 22 out of it for my son. If memory serves the 22 doesn't fall under any of the assault weapon laws so I should be alright with pistol grip and detachable mags correct?
CA assault weapons laws for rifles do not apply to rimfire rifles.

Therefore, rimfire rifles can have any type of feature.

However, length limits still apply.
Minimum barrel length = 16".
Minimum overall length = 26".
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Thats what I figured, but wanted to double check, thanks for the replys.
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I did the same as OP. I used a dedicated.22lr upper.
It is a REALLY fun gun to shoot and great for beginners.
It's also handy for "assault weapon" debates as it is identical to my 10/22, other than shape. (Sights changed, same carbine)

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I may have gone a bit overboard on mine, but added a "gas tube to nowhere" from the gas block just barely into the receiver to make it indistinguishable from the centerfire.
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Fun guns. If you are interested, I have a new 22 LR CMMG 16.1" barrel available. Link to their site https://www.cmmginc.com/product/barr...40cm-sbn-22lr/
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I built an upper with a $109 CMMG barrel from RTB and an old Ceiner BCG. Works great. Then I put on a pistol grip and adjustable stock. I removed the buffer and spring from the lower.

It has an old Levang linear compensator as that allows shooting outdoors without muffs or plugs, it's that quiet now. A Leupold 2x7 33mm scope lets me hit stuff at 100 yards.
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I have the lower assembled minus the butt stock, not sure which one to use yet, I'm now starting to look into an upper receiver, not sure if I should just buy a complete or build one myself.
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As several previous posters have pointed out your rimfire rifle does not fall under the "Evil by Design" definition of an Assault Weapon (refer to Penal Code section 30515).

However your should ensure that that lower is not an "Evil by Name" Assault Weapon (refer to Penal Code section 30510). A rimfire rifle built on an "Evil by Name" receiver is an Assault Weapon, even though its a rimfire.

Additionally, please note that rimfire pistols are not exempted from the Assault Weapon statutes.
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lower is GTG not an assault lower, i can't believe i just typed that, and this will be a rifle build so pistol isn't a concern.
Kendog can you PM me a price for the barrel?
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I did the same as OP. I used a dedicated.22lr upper.
It is a REALLY fun gun to shoot and great for beginners.
It's also handy for "assault weapon" debates as it is identical to my 10/22, other than shape. (Sights changed, same carbine)

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Mine is on a polymer 80% lower. Now sports a cowitnessed red dot.
No legal issues with the lower as I moved to AZ.

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I'm in a similar situation, just enough spare parts, the parts aren't worth much second hand I have that little.22lR CMMG conversion bolt/chamber (older style) , Can anyone tell me which brand/style magazines tend to work the most reliable? black dog? CMMG ?
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Can anyone tell me which brand/style magazines tend to work the most reliable? black dog? CMMG ?



Black Dog is da' SHIZZLE. NEVER had a jam in 10 years of using them.


They are a PAIN to load without a Lula, though.
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I'm in a similar situation, just enough spare parts, the parts aren't worth much second hand I have that little.22lR CMMG conversion bolt/chamber (older style) , Can anyone tell me which brand/style magazines tend to work the most reliable? black dog? CMMG ?
After trying a few options with mags I went with the redimag adapter (bettermag) for the 10-22 mags. I have not had a single issue whatsoever since I made the swap.
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I did the same as OP. I used a dedicated.22lr upper.
It is a REALLY fun gun to shoot and great for beginners.
It's also handy for "assault weapon" debates as it is identical to my 10/22, other than shape. (Sights changed, same carbine)

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Help me please. I want to buy or build a dedicated 22 upper like yours on the left.

Where? How?

Thanks in advance!
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Help me please. I want to buy or build a dedicated 22 upper like yours on the left.



Where? How?



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https://www.opticsplanet.com/cmmg-in...er-groups.html

Looks like they may be more difficult to find since CA has done CA things.
I built mine just before CA got wonky on "assault weapons"

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Help me please. I want to buy or build a dedicated 22 upper like yours on the left.

Where? How?

Thanks in advance!
One option. Purchase a complete dedicated upper from PSA like this:

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...516446934.html

They have the style that is in the picture above as well but currently seem to be out of stock.

Check out Black Friday pricing...

Add to complete AR15 lower with stock of choice. Decide which mag format you are using. I chose S&W M&P 15-22 and then added a Boonie Packer mag adapter.

With al this you should be ready for the range.

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Looks like they may be more difficult to find since CA has done CA things.
I built mine just before CA got wonky on "assault weapons"

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Thanks! But $500? Ouch.

I did search all over and found nothing though. So thanks, seriously.
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One option. Purchase a complete dedicated upper from PSA like this:

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...516446934.html

They have the style that is in the picture above as well but currently seem to be out of stock.

Check out Black Friday pricing...

Add to complete AR15 lower with stock of choice. Decide which mag format you are using. I chose S&W M&P 15-22 and then added a Boonie Packer mag adapter.

With al this you should be ready for the range.

Good luck OP
Yeah, I’m going to keep watching the sales. I have a lower. I’d love to find a complete, reasonably priced, dedicated M4 style 22 upper.

Not too much to ask is it? I was a good boy this year.
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Yeah, I’m going to keep watching the sales. I have a lower. I’d love to find a complete, reasonably priced, dedicated M4 style 22 upper.

Not too much to ask is it? I was a good boy this year.
The one that is out of stock looks like what you are after:

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...516446935.html

If you have been a really good boy maybe you will catch it on sale in the $289- $319 range. If you have only been moderately good, you still have 31 days till Christmas to work on things
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Thanks! But $500? Ouch.



I did search all over and found nothing though. So thanks, seriously.
I did pay +/-$400ish for my complete upper.
Could be why it shoots so accurately and should last a long time.
I figured if I'm going to have a dedicated .22lr AR, might as well have a really good one.

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CMMG made .22LR barrels are $109 from RTB. You can build the upper cheaper than you can buy one.
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I have a brand new CMMG 16" barrel for $100. One left. Sporting chamber, black nitrided. I can also offer un nitrited CMMG barrel, in the white, chambered with a Bentz reamer. MUCH better chamber than the loosy-goosy sporting one. Those barrels require a deposit and have a lead time depending on when CMMG has a production run. They pull barrels for me and leave off some processes so they can be customized.
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I have a brand new CMMG 16" barrel for $100. One left. Sporting chamber, black nitrided. I can also offer un nitrited CMMG barrel, in the white, chambered with a Bentz reamer. MUCH better chamber than the loosy-goosy sporting one. Those barrels require a deposit and have a lead time depending on when CMMG has a production run. They pull barrels for me and leave off some processes so they can be customized.
I sent you a pm, but must confess. I don’t understand the difference between sporting chamber and Bentz. How much is much better?
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.22LR Chamber Dimensions:

Type______Length__Mouth Dia._Throat Dia._Taper @ Throat
Sporting____0.7751"____0.2307"____0.2270"
Bentz______0.6900"____0.2270"____0.2255"_____1.5° Taper
Match _____0.6876"____0.2267"____0.2248"
Win 52-D___0.5800"____0.2278"____0.2248"_____2.0° Taper

The "Ruger" 10/22 factory chamber is the "Sporting" chamber above.
The "Bentz" chamber is the 'match' chamber for semi-autos.
The "Match" chamber is for bolt actions.
The "Win M52-D" is a bolt action target rifle.
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Tons of info out there at your google. How much better is very subjective to the individual. For burning up bricks of garbage bulk ammo just to hear the gun go off it is not necessary. For winning a br50 match it is not enough.
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Thanks Ken,

I saw this after my 2nd pm. So the sporting chamber barrel work with an ar upper?
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I saw this after my 2nd pm. So the sporting chamber barrel work with an ar upper?



Yes. They both will. The Bentz can be more accurate. Depending, of course, how much you wiggle when you shoot!
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CMMG made .22LR barrels are $109 from RTB. You can build the upper cheaper than you can buy one.
K. So what if a guy bought that barrel? What else would he need to complete the M4 looking upper shown above?

I’ve been looking for parts and not seeing anything cheap.
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Black Dog is da' SHIZZLE. NEVER had a jam in 10 years of using them.


They are a PAIN to load without a Lula, though.
Get a mcfadden loader. Greatest invention ever. Loads multiple 22 mags with adaptors. I can load a 30 rounder in less than a minute.

https://www.mcfaden.com/McFadden-Mac...der-s/1828.htm
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K. So what if a guy bought that barrel? What else would he need to complete the M4 looking upper shown above?

I’ve been looking for parts and not seeing anything cheap.
I used a $39 Anderson lightweight upper, RTB has 9mm and .22LR uppers on sale now. Find a cheap freefloat tube and bolt it together. No gas block or tube needed.

Then find the BCG. I used an old Cenier I had laying around. I bought the CMMR head for it in SS to change out the .223 adaptor.

RTB also has the CMMG made lightweight pencil .22LR barrel available if you want a lighter rifle.
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I used a $39 Anderson lightweight upper, RTB has 9mm and .22LR uppers on sale now. Find a cheap freefloat tube and bolt it together. No gas block or tube needed.

Then find the BCG. I used an old Cenier I had laying around. I bought the CMMR head for it in SS to change out the .223 adaptor.

RTB also has the CMMG made lightweight pencil .22LR barrel available if you want a lighter rifle.
Ah, this is what I was missing. So the CMMR head works well?
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If someone has a pre-existing AR pistol in center-fire with a CA compliant action lock that prevents the rifle from being reloaded unless the action is opened up and they put a .22 AR pistol upper (basically changing the CA compliant AR pistol from 5.556 to .22LR_)can the pistol accept 10+ magazines .22LR in its .22 LR form? Does it still require an action opening style of mag release or will the older bullet button legally suffice? Correct me if I'm wrong but 20 rounds in a pistol with a magazine in the grip is completely legal as long as the magazines were procured decades ago or freedom week.

TL;DR :

Someone changes their AR-pistol to rimfire can they now use 25 round .22lr mags or still only 10?
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If someone has a pre-existing AR pistol in center-fire with a CA compliant action lock that prevents the rifle from being reloaded unless the action is opened up and they put a .22 AR pistol upper (basically changing the CA compliant AR pistol from 5.556 to .22LR_)can the pistol accept 10+ magazines .22LR in its .22 LR form? Does it still require an action opening style of mag release or will the older bullet button legally suffice? Correct me if I'm wrong but 20 rounds in a pistol with a magazine in the grip is completely legal as long as the magazines were procured decades ago or freedom week.

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Someone changes their AR-pistol to rimfire can they now use 25 round .22lr mags or still only 10?
Only if the pistol is a Registered Assault Weapon.

An AR Pistol needs to have a fixed magazine to escape definition as an "Assault Weapon" under Penal Code section 30515(a)(4)(D). But if the fixed magazine has a capacity of more than 10 rounds, you create an "Assault Weapon" under Penal Code section 30515(a)(5).

Please note that the Assault Weapon provisions limited to "centerfire" rifles do not apply to the handgun provisions, therefore nothing changes because of the rimfire ammunition.
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Ah, this is what I was missing. So the CMMR head works well?
Works perfectly. I think I paid $44 for the stainless steel head. Since all the other AR's are featureless with Sparrow grips, this one feels weird now with the old pistol grip. You get used to stuff.
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Thanks for that.

I went ahead and ordered all dedicated 22 stuff. With the barrel from Ken I’m at about tree fiddy.
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Question where might a "Bullet button"

CA compliant, or similar device, for a 22lr, "build", on a AR-15 lower, be obtained? or is one required?
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