San Francisco

[CalPatriot63]

Originally Posted by pingpong

I got a call from my SFPD saying that they're ready to move forward with the training phase, but...

apparently none of the three guns listed on the applications shows up on my AFS record. I'll have to submit a new record through CFARS to correct that, but that can takes months to process, so in the meantime I'll have to update the application to list some other guns I have that are indeed in AFS. Anyone else run into this issue?

Sorry to hear, that's a big bummer :-(

I did not have any issues with any of the five I listed on my application nor any of the three that ended up on my training certificate.

Hope you get it all sorted in short order.

[CalPatriot63]

Originally Posted by BigKat707

I teach for CCW for San Francisco and you can use any magazine that you legally own. I've spoken the the Lt in charge of their CCW program a lot about this topic.

So if you legally own the magazine, yes you can use it.

That's good info, thanks! I'd still be just a bit worried about the highly zealous DA's we have in the City regardless of what SFPD says.

[pingpong]

Originally Posted by pingpong

I got a call from my SFPD saying that they're ready to move forward with the training phase, but...

apparently none of the three guns listed on the applications shows up on my AFS record. I'll have to submit a new record through CFARS to correct that, but that can takes months to process, so in the meantime I'll have to update the application to list some other guns I have that are indeed in AFS. Anyone else run into this issue?

And the plot thickens. I went into CFARS to see if I could update the address for the guns that are supposedly missing from AFS to see if they were truly missing from my report. I was able to update 2 of the 3, so there's no reason those 2 shouldn't have been on my report...

I ended up putting in update requests for every gun I have that should be in the system, and found that 7 were missing, including the G27 I had wanted to put onto the permit.

[BigKat707]

In regards to over-zealous DAs, the magazine capacity is least of your concerns. Putting the Punisher symbol on your firearm will get you in more trouble with the DA than a legally owned magazine. And I've seen them come through our classes. We always recommend people remove them from any firearm you going to use for defensive purposes.

[jguevara_95]

Originally Posted by pingpong

I got a call from my SFPD saying that they're ready to move forward with the training phase, but...

apparently none of the three guns listed on the applications shows up on my AFS record. I'll have to submit a new record through CFARS to correct that, but that can takes months to process, so in the meantime I'll have to update the application to list some other guns I have that are indeed in AFS. Anyone else run into this issue?

Yes, similar but not due to them showing up. One of my guns that I planned to use a lot was my M&P compact 2.0. I traded someone for it and when I got it, it was a .40 S&W and was DROSd as such. I converted it to a 9mm due to me not shooting .40 as much or at all. Lt said because the caliber does not match what is on AFS, I cannot use it or have it on my permit until I make changes on CFARs or update it somehow. Ive heard CFARs takes over a year to update, so im not sure of a quicker way.

Question: Does anyone know what report I used to update the caliber?

[pingpong]

Just got the letter telling me I can move forward with training.

I'm planning to sign up with Execushield because they offer weekday classes...but I haven't been able to find any other information or reviews on their CCW classes other than the schedule. Has anyone had any experience with them? It seems like they're more about guard training. It doesn't appear anyone has signed up yet for the next three classes on their schedule, and I'd hate for them to cancel the class last minute for lack of interest.

[CalPatriot63]

Originally Posted by pingpong

Just got the letter telling me I can move forward with training.

I'm planning to sign up with Execushield because they offer weekday classes...but I haven't been able to find any other information or reviews on their CCW classes other than the schedule. Has anyone had any experience with them? It seems like they're more about guard training. It doesn't appear anyone has signed up yet for the next three classes on their schedule, and I'd hate for them to cancel the class last minute for lack of interest.

Originally Posted by pingpong

Just got the letter telling me I can move forward with training.

I'm planning to sign up with Execushield because they offer weekday classes...but I haven't been able to find any other information or reviews on their CCW classes other than the schedule. Has anyone had any experience with them? It seems like they're more about guard training. It doesn't appear anyone has signed up yet for the next three classes on their schedule, and I'd hate for them to cancel the class last minute for lack of interest.

Good to hear. I haven?t seen Execushield on approved list; must be new addition.

I went with Defensive Accuracy (no affiliation) during weekday, they have another 16 hour weekday session in Richmond on 6/21, 6/22.

[NorCalBusa]

Originally Posted by jguevara_95

Yes, similar but not due to them showing up. One of my guns that I planned to use a lot was my M&P compact 2.0. I traded someone for it and when I got it, it was a .40 S&W and was DROSd as such. I converted it to a 9mm due to me not shooting .40 as much or at all. Lt said because the caliber does not match what is on AFS, I cannot use it or have it on my permit until I make changes on CFARs or update it somehow. Ive heard CFARs takes over a year to update, so im not sure of a quicker way.

Question: Does anyone know what report I used to update the caliber?

Nonsense, they are choosing to not help you. My CCW permit (not EssEff) has had gun model, serial number and ".40/9mm" on it for many years.

[smashn9900]

Originally Posted by CalPatriot63

Alrighty! Just passed the 16 hour training and successfully qualified drawing and firing from AIWB with all three submitted firearms today.

Final countdown to finish line begins. . .

They let you qual from a AIWB? I thought it was only OWB?

[CalPatriot63]

Originally Posted by smashn9900

They let you qual from a AIWB? I thought it was only OWB?

The training class required OWB only (pretty much every training vendor has the same requirements for safety reasons) but SFPD requires applicants to qualify with the holster you will be using to carry, so they had me qualify AIWB although all other applicants from other counties in my class qualified OWB.

[pingpong]

Originally Posted by CalPatriot63

The training class required OWB only but SFPD requires applicants to qualify with the holster you will be using to carry, so they had me qualify AIWB although all other applicants from other counties in my class qualified OWB.

Do you know if DACCW allows you to use a different gun for the training portion that isn't one of the guns you're qualifying with? I'd hate to have to buy an OWB holster that I'll never end up using when I can just use a different gun I do have an OWB holster for.

[CalPatriot63]

Originally Posted by pingpong

Do you know if DACCW allows you to use a different gun for the training portion that isn't one of the guns you're qualifying with? I'd hate to have to buy an OWB holster that I'll never end up using when I can just use a different gun I do have an OWB holster for.

I don?t know the specific answer but you are required to bring in all your guns the first day so they can verify make/model/serial matches what you will be qualifying with.

I ended up buying an OWB which I?ll probably never use either; I never thought of using a gun I have already an OWB holster for

However, give them a quick ring to make sure, they are very responsive.

[NorCalBusa]

Originally Posted by CalPatriot63

The training class required OWB only (pretty much every training vendor has the same requirements for safety reasons) but SFPD requires applicants to qualify with the holster you will be using to carry, so they had me qualify AIWB although all other applicants from other counties in my class qualified OWB.

Did EssEff happen to mention if you change holsters later- do you have to notify them and requalify?

[CalPatriot63]

Originally Posted by NorCalBusa

Did EssEff happen to mention if you change holsters later- do you have to notify them and requalify?

You can change holsters later without notifying or re-qualifying.

[pingpong]

FYI I was perusing through the May RRGC bulletin and noticed that DACCW is offering discounted pricing of $229 for RRGC members through July. That's a hell of a deal.

[CalPatriot63]

Originally Posted by pingpong

FYI I was perusing through the May RRGC bulletin and noticed that DACCW is offering discounted pricing of $229 for RRGC members through July. That's a hell of a deal.

Wow! If you include the annual RRGC membership fee, it?s still less than the cost of their regular 16 hour class, which incidentally has gone up to $399 since I took it.

Damn, wish I had seen that!

[sabertactics]

Originally Posted by CalPatriot63

The training class required OWB only (pretty much every training vendor has the same requirements for safety reasons) but SFPD requires applicants to qualify with the holster you will be using to carry, so they had me qualify AIWB although all other applicants from other counties in my class qualified OWB.

We allow IWB or OWB - in actuality, we prefer our students have an IWB since that's the most concealable way to carry a firearm and most likely the way most people will carry it.

[sabertactics]

Originally Posted by NorCalBusa

Did EssEff happen to mention if you change holsters later- do you have to notify them and requalify?

It does not matter what holster you use or what modifications you make to your firearm as long as the training vendor verifies that your firearm is in good working order.

[sabertactics]

Originally Posted by CalPatriot63

I don?t know the specific answer but you are required to bring in all your guns the first day so they can verify make/model/serial matches what you will be qualifying with.

I ended up buying an OWB which I?ll probably never use either; I never thought of using a gun I have already an OWB holster for

However, give them a quick ring to make sure, they are very responsive.

Tell your friends to come train with us for their CCW - we allow (and prefer) IWB holsters, our lecture is completely digital so you can do it from home and save time, and we meet every two weeks for in person training and qualification.

[CalPatriot63]

Originally Posted by sabertactics

Tell your friends to come train with us for their CCW - we allow (and prefer) IWB holsters, our lecture is completely digital so you can do it from home and save time, and we meet every two weeks for in person training and qualification.

Great, thanks for all the info.

Cheers,

[jguevara_95]

Originally Posted by sabertactics

Tell your friends to come train with us for their CCW - we allow (and prefer) IWB holsters, our lecture is completely digital so you can do it from home and save time, and we meet every two weeks for in person training and qualification.

I have your class and qualification next week. Cant wait for that. Virtual instruction was very good and definitely worked around my busy schedule.

[jguevara_95]

Originally Posted by CalPatriot63

Great, thanks for all the info.

Cheers,

Hey Calpatriot, Did you submit your certificate yet? Have you received a call about picking up your license? Im wondering how long it takes to receive the license once you have passed qualification.

[CalPatriot63]

Originally Posted by jguevara_95

Hey Calpatriot, Did you submit your certificate yet? Have you received a call about picking up your license? Im wondering how long it takes to receive the license once you have passed qualification.

Everything was submitted on 5/18 via email; got a call on 5/20 (Sat) to confirm receipt and to verify my address. They said next step was for the Chief to sign off and issue official license. I asked how long it would take and they said they did not know. However, I will call after two weeks this Thursday for an update if I haven?t heard or received anything.

I?m real curious to see if I get my AZ and/or UT licenses which I mailed on 5/26 any faster.

I?ll keep the thread updated for sure.

[Gun Kraft]

For those interested, we have a SFPD CCW class scheduled the weekend of July 22nd at the San Leandro range. You can find more information about course content at https://www.gunkraft.com/training-ccw_california.htm. Feel free to PM me if you have questions.

[pingpong]

Originally Posted by pingpong

I got a call from my SFPD saying that they're ready to move forward with the training phase, but...

apparently none of the three guns listed on the applications shows up on my AFS record. I'll have to submit a new record through CFARS to correct that, but that can takes months to process, so in the meantime I'll have to update the application to list some other guns I have that are indeed in AFS. Anyone else run into this issue?

Good news: I got an update from SFPD. According to the Lieutenant I talked to, the computer system that they use to do AFS lookups has issues if you have a lot of guns in your record (not sure what the limit is, but it would appear I exceeded it). In order to do the verification, they have to email the DOJ to have them check manually; to their credit, the response came back same day and my guns have now been cleared to go on the permit.

[CalPatriot63]

Well folks, unicorns actually do exist; after just shy of 11 months from the initial date of application, I received 'the call' and picked up my official CCW license from SFPD today!

To pick up the license, you must schedule a visit with the CCW Unit where they will collect $101 for the LiveScan fee (personal or cashier check), sign the license and imprint your thumb on three copies. They will then create a 4.5" x 5.5" laminated card which you will get as your official CCW license. They did acknowledge that the current card format is awkward to carry, but they said they will probably be working on a better card in the future.

I can't truly express what an incredibly momentous day this is for me as I never imagined in the over 30 years I've lived in SF that I would be able to exercise my 2A rights to legally conceal carry as a non-LEO (for now) and be able to protect me and my family outside of our home... Evidently, I was 5th to submit my application after the Bruen decision and among the first 10 to be issued (four issued alone today). They also said the process should be much faster now for new applicants.

Although it was a lengthy, super hard battle here in California (and elsewhere), I feel so proud to be an American and see our legal system actually work to uphold and assert our Constitutional 2A right... Damn near brings tears to my eyes :-)

Here's my final updated timeline:

7/6/22 - SFPD appointment and initial application / references submitted
9/19/22 - Received call to schedule SIU interview
9/20/22 - Had SIU Interview
10/3/22 - All references contacted
2/16/23 - Approval to move forward with Livescan
2/27/23 - Received call that Livescan was complete
2/27/23 - Received email with instructions to schedule psych exam
2/27/23 - Scheduled psych exam for Mid-March
3/17/23 - Took online psych exam
3/23/23 - Had online interview with doctor
4/20/23 - Received email approval to move forward with training / qualification
5/17/23 - 1st 8 hours of classroom training
5/18/23 - 2nd 8 hours of livefire training and range qualification
5/18/23 - Submitted certificate of completion to SFPD
5/31/23 - Received call to schedule pick-up of license
5/31/23 - Visited CCW Unit office to pick up official CCW license

Cheers everyone!!!

[pingpong]

Originally Posted by CalPatriot63

Well folks, unicorns actually do exist; after just shy of 11 months from the initial date of application, I received 'the call' and picked up my official CCW license from SFPD today!

To pick up the license, you must schedule a visit with the CCW Unit where they will collect $101 for the LiveScan fee (personal or cashier check), sign the license and imprint your thumb on three copies. They will then create a 4.5" x 5.5" laminated card which you will get as your official CCW license. They did acknowledge that the current card format is awkward to carry, but they said they will probably be working on a better card in the future.

I can't truly express what an incredibly momentous day this is for me as I never imagined in the over 30 years I've lived in SF that I would be able exercise my 2A rights and to be able to legally conceal carry as a non-LEO (for now)... Evidently I was 5th to submit my application after the Bruen decision and among the first 10 to be issued (four issued alone today). They also said the process should be much faster now for new applicants.

Although it was a lengthy, super hard battle here in California (and elsewhere), I feel so proud to be an American and see our legal system actually work to uphold and assert our Constitutional 2A right...

Here's my final updated timeline:

7/6/22 - SFPD appointment and initial application / references submitted
9/19/22 - Received call to schedule SIU interview
9/20/22 - Had SIU Interview
10/3/22 - All references contacted
2/16/23 - Approval to move forward with Livescan
2/27/23 - Received call that Livescan was complete
2/27/23 - Received email with instructions to schedule psych exam
2/27/23 - Scheduled psych exam for Mid-March
3/17/23 - Took online psych exam
3/23/23 - Had online interview with doctor
4/20/23 - Received email approval to move forward with training / qualification
5/17/23 - 1st 8 hours of classroom training
5/18/23 - 2nd 8 hours of livefire training and range qualification
5/18/23 - Submitted certificate of completion to SFPD
5/31/23 - Received call to schedule pick-up of license
5/31/23 - Visited CCW Unit office to pick up official CCW license

Cheers everyone!!!

Congrats! One of the first, and hopefully the first of many.

[BullittShark]

Originally Posted by CalPatriot63

Well folks, unicorns actually do exist; after just shy of 11 months from the initial date of application, I received 'the call' and picked up my official CCW license from SFPD today!

To pick up the license, you must schedule a visit with the CCW Unit where they will collect $101 for the LiveScan fee (personal or cashier check), sign the license and imprint your thumb on three copies. They will then create a 4.5" x 5.5" laminated card which you will get as your official CCW license. They did acknowledge that the current card format is awkward to carry, but they said they will probably be working on a better card in the future.

I can't truly express what an incredibly momentous day this is for me as I never imagined in the over 30 years I've lived in SF that I would be able to exercise my 2A rights to legally conceal carry as a non-LEO (for now) and be able to protect me and my family outside of our home... Evidently, I was 5th to submit my application after the Bruen decision and among the first 10 to be issued (four issued alone today). They also said the process should be much faster now for new applicants.

Although it was a lengthy, super hard battle here in California (and elsewhere), I feel so proud to be an American and see our legal system actually work to uphold and assert our Constitutional 2A right... Damn near brings tears to my eyes :-)

Here's my final updated timeline:

7/6/22 - SFPD appointment and initial application / references submitted
9/19/22 - Received call to schedule SIU interview
9/20/22 - Had SIU Interview
10/3/22 - All references contacted
2/16/23 - Approval to move forward with Livescan
2/27/23 - Received call that Livescan was complete
2/27/23 - Received email with instructions to schedule psych exam
2/27/23 - Scheduled psych exam for Mid-March
3/17/23 - Took online psych exam
3/23/23 - Had online interview with doctor
4/20/23 - Received email approval to move forward with training / qualification
5/17/23 - 1st 8 hours of classroom training
5/18/23 - 2nd 8 hours of livefire training and range qualification
5/18/23 - Submitted certificate of completion to SFPD
5/31/23 - Received call to schedule pick-up of license
5/31/23 - Visited CCW Unit office to pick up official CCW license

Cheers everyone!!!

Congrats! Glad to hear the wait post training and qual was not too long.

[Fang415]

Congrats!!!! Now I wish I went the PD route. My file has been sitting on the sheriffs desk for final approval to move onto training. Been over a month already b

[jguevara_95]

Originally Posted by CalPatriot63

Well folks, unicorns actually do exist; after just shy of 11 months from the initial date of application, I received 'the call' and picked up my official CCW license from SFPD today!

To pick up the license, you must schedule a visit with the CCW Unit where they will collect $101 for the LiveScan fee (personal or cashier check), sign the license and imprint your thumb on three copies. They will then create a 4.5" x 5.5" laminated card which you will get as your official CCW license. They did acknowledge that the current card format is awkward to carry, but they said they will probably be working on a better card in the future.

I can't truly express what an incredibly momentous day this is for me as I never imagined in the over 30 years I've lived in SF that I would be able to exercise my 2A rights to legally conceal carry as a non-LEO (for now) and be able to protect me and my family outside of our home... Evidently, I was 5th to submit my application after the Bruen decision and among the first 10 to be issued (four issued alone today). They also said the process should be much faster now for new applicants.

Although it was a lengthy, super hard battle here in California (and elsewhere), I feel so proud to be an American and see our legal system actually work to uphold and assert our Constitutional 2A right... Damn near brings tears to my eyes :-)

Here's my final updated timeline:

7/6/22 - SFPD appointment and initial application / references submitted
9/19/22 - Received call to schedule SIU interview
9/20/22 - Had SIU Interview
10/3/22 - All references contacted
2/16/23 - Approval to move forward with Livescan
2/27/23 - Received call that Livescan was complete
2/27/23 - Received email with instructions to schedule psych exam
2/27/23 - Scheduled psych exam for Mid-March
3/17/23 - Took online psych exam
3/23/23 - Had online interview with doctor
4/20/23 - Received email approval to move forward with training / qualification
5/17/23 - 1st 8 hours of classroom training
5/18/23 - 2nd 8 hours of livefire training and range qualification
5/18/23 - Submitted certificate of completion to SFPD
5/31/23 - Received call to schedule pick-up of license
5/31/23 - Visited CCW Unit office to pick up official CCW license

Cheers everyone!!!

Congrats!!! Hopefully I will have mine in a few weeks!

[smashn9900]

Originally Posted by sabertactics

Tell your friends to come train with us for their CCW - we allow (and prefer) IWB holsters, our lecture is completely digital so you can do it from home and save time, and we meet every two weeks for in person training and qualification.

Any this satisfies the 16 hour SFPD requirements?

That would be much easier than going to an onsite for 2 days in a row. ie 1 day online 1 day onsite.

[CalPatriot63]

Originally Posted by smashn9900

Any this satisfies the 16 hour SFPD requirements?

That would be much easier than going to an onsite for 2 days in a row. ie 1 day online 1 day onsite.

Yes, it does satisfy SFPD 16 hour requirements.

[Crazy Horse]

Originally Posted by pingpong

Do you know if DACCW allows you to use a different gun for the training portion that isn't one of the guns you're qualifying with? I'd hate to have to buy an OWB holster that I'll never end up using when I can just use a different gun I do have an OWB holster for.

You may use any gun to train with, and it is with an OWB, but you must qualify with each gun you want listed on your permit. The SFPD wants you to qualify with the method of carry you intend to use, too. Defensive Accuracy, LLC will work with you to learn to present from the AIWB and IWB for your qualification, too.