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Old 01-19-2020, 11:22 AM
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Default Most gun owner do not know the Dems are bad for us.

they see TV and believe what the dems say "for the children""not going to take them etc. When I was a newbie I did not know or care who was elected I did not get the connect and today I think a lot of causal shooteres do not know that Gavin is bad cause now body tells them. I have not very often seen any political signs at any gun stores or ranges that say this like "vote dem loose your guns" dems want to take them away" dems are the ones makeing all the dumb rules" etc.

Do I just miss it but why not have every shop and range post big signs pointing this out?

I have Dem friends that shoot once and a while and have no idea that the dems are the ones with all the fee's limits etc they are like really I did not know that

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Really, how much has trump done for/TO us? Crack a history book as see WHO banned MG's in 1986 and WHO issued an exec. order banning the importation of AW's?
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Really, how much has trump done for/TO us? Crack a history book as see WHO banned MG's in 1986 and WHO issued an exec. order banning the importation of AW's?
You NEED to bel more circumspect. While Dems (in general) ARE anti-gun that's certainly true. Some of the BIGGEST hits to our cause come from the RIGHT. SO being a one issue voter is no guarantee of victory.
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Really, how much has trump done for/TO us? Crack a history book as see WHO banned MG's in 1986 and WHO issued an exec. order banning the importation of AW's?
Oh good Lord - here's another Purist to crap all over our current efforts to retain our rights because we have the wrong friends.

For the Purist, there are no allies: only enemies.

Shall we ask what he thinks of the NRA?
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Really, how much has trump done for/TO us? Crack a history book as see WHO banned MG's in 1986 and WHO issued an exec. order banning the importation of AW's?
The same RINO fraud that was the only Republican member of the Texas delegation that voted for the Gun Control Act of 1968. That's WHO. And don't even get me started on Arnold Schwarzenegger-Kennedy. Want something California specific? Republican governor George Deukmejian made California the first state to ban "assault rifles" in 1989.
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/14/u...lt-rifles.html
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Let's make it simple. Both sides are determined to strip the average citizen of their right to defend their rights and themselves so they can be enslaved. At one time democrats said the rich were republicans but not matter at what economic level you look at today democrats outnumber republicans for being rich. Look at Pelosi, Bloomberg, Biden, and others. Judge people by their honest actions (not excuses) and not by what they say. we have snakes on both sides who do not have the average man's welfare as their best interest. They want to be your boss not the other way around and to do that they need to stop your access to weapons that can resist their force when it comes. this is a battle for rights not political parties.
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The Democratic Socialist Party and all those who support it are the greatest enemy America has ever faced. If Trump is not re-elected, along with a Republican House and Senate, America will be dealt a mortal wound that it may not ever recover from. At that point the only alternative is the probable civil war.
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Let's make it simple. Both sides are determined to strip the average citizen of their right to defend their rights and themselves so they can be enslaved. At one time democrats said the rich were republicans but not matter at what economic level you look at today democrats outnumber republicans for being rich. Look at Pelosi, Bloomberg, Biden, and others. Judge people by their honest actions (not excuses) and not by what they say. we have snakes on both sides who do not have the average man's welfare as their best interest. They want to be your boss not the other way around and to do that they need to stop your access to weapons that can resist their force when it comes. this is a battle for rights not political parties.
This ^^^^^ someone who understands!
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yeah both sides bad blah blah blah the repubs are far away better for our rights then the dems my point is that people new to shooting or just starting out ought to see big sign "join the NRA" "do not vote D" etc at all gun venues how many do not know and continue to vote in idiots like pelosi, shift, fienstwin etc.
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Just because somebody recognizes that some Republicans are as bad or worse than Democrats doesn't mean they're going to go out and vote for Democrats. Good God get a grip.
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Most gun owner do not know the Dems are bad for us.

That's GOTTA be unique to CA. I hafta travel to Buffalo a few time a year, and even western New Yawkas (at least!) know better than THAT!
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That's GOTTA be unique to CA. I hafta travel to Buffalo a few time a year, and even western New Yawkas (at least!) know better than THAT!
Maybe we should check with someone from Virginia. The first and only thing the dems want to “fix” is that nasty old private ownership of firearms.
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Democrats are F'ing idiots, all of them, period. Either they are non-thinking idiots, or they are through and through idiots.
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Really, how much has trump done for/TO us? Crack a history book as see WHO banned MG's in 1986 and WHO issued an exec. order banning the importation of AW's?
On the Hughes Amendment - that would be Charles Rangel. On the AW, are you talking about Bush Sr. or Clinton?

As usual, you're being dishonest by comparing some people on the right to the overwhelming majority on the left.
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Really, how much has trump done for/TO us? Crack a history book as see WHO banned MG's in 1986 and WHO issued an exec. order banning the importation of AW's?
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You NEED to bel more circumspect. While Dems (in general) ARE anti-gun that's certainly true. Some of the BIGGEST hits to our cause come from the RIGHT. SO being a one issue voter is no guarantee of victory.
Well, as usual, CAL.BAR gets it wrong. Lets exam his first statement:
"WHO banned MG's in 1986"


The Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 (FOPA) was a Pro Gun Bill
pushed by the NRA that was sabotaged by Anti-Gun Democrats.


Democrats Disingenuously shoved a MG BAn onto FOPA by Democrat
Hughes
, then dishonestly rammed thru By this crooked Democrat:



DEMOCRAT Charles Rangel, of ill repute, refused to call for a Recorded
Vote
, after he asserted it had passed by Voice, which many claimed
it had not. A recorded Vote would no doubt had exposed this, hence
Rangel refused numerous demands for a Recorded Vote.

(D) Rangel knew it would not pass if a Recorded Vote was taken.

So the proper Blame is, once again, ON THE DEMOCRATS who came up
with the MG Sabotage, then dishonestly shoved it thru the house without
a properly recorded Vote.



Since you need a history lesson on the Firearm Owners Protection Act:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire...Protection_Act


The OVER WHELMING Push for Gun Control and Nullifying the 2A come
from the Democrats, at this moment in history. Cherry picking events
from over half a Century ago while glazing over what the Democrats
are currently doing to Gun Rights is being intellectually dishonest.

But, since you seem to have all the Answers, I have a question for you.
Who should Pro-2A Gun Owners Support and Vote for in 2020 that would:

A... Best support our 2A Rights (like appointing Pro-2A to 9th & SCOTUS)
B... Have the most viable chance of actually being elected.


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That's GOTTA be unique to CA. I hafta travel to Buffalo a few time a year, and even western New Yawkas (at least!) know better than THAT!
What most folks don't realize is that outside of NYC the rest of the State is rural. Smallish cities with open land and farms surrounding. Unfortunately the population density of the city outweighs the voters from the rest of the State. In Western NY you will routinely see yard signs that say "repeal the NY S.A.F.E. Act". Try that in CA.
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What most folks don't realize is that outside of NYC the rest of the State is rural. Smallish cities with open land and farms surrounding. Unfortunately the population density of the city outweighs the voters from the rest of the State. In Western NY you will routinely see yard signs that say "repeal the NY S.A.F.E. Act". Try that in CA.
I don't know, seems very similar to here in Ca. Most of Ca is rural and conservative, but the Democrap population in L.A., San Fran, Sacramento, rule how us conservatives live our lives. I live in a very red pro gun county, right in the middle of the belly of the beast. I see "XXX state of Jefferson" stickers all over the place.
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I don't think it has to do with "not knowing"... it is people that put less value on gun related rights when compared to <fill in typical Democrat talking points>

To them, guns are just like toys and cars; something fun to have if you can have it.
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Really, how much has trump done for/TO us? Crack a history book as see WHO banned MG's in 1986 and WHO issued an exec. order banning the importation of AW's?
Your disinformation bs will not.fly here. Carefully selected examples ignoring that since the 1970s at.least, the Demonrat party platform has contained a desire to ban firearms.
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Your disinformation bs will not.fly here. Carefully selected examples ignoring that since the 1970s at.least, the Demonrat party platform has contained a desire to ban firearms.
I agree. What Trump has done is appoint SCOTUS judges that are much less likely to curtail the 2A. And, as a bonus, we have a much better economy, stronger military, etc.
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The same RINO fraud that was the only Republican member of the Texas delegation that voted for the Gun Control Act of 1968. That's WHO. And don't even get me started on Arnold Schwarzenegger-Kennedy. Want something California specific? Republican governor George Deukmejian made California the first state to ban "assault rifles" in 1989.
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/14/u...lt-rifles.html
The only Fraud is when people ignore HISTORY and FACTS. EVERYTHING I said in the post is TRUE. And you KNOW it. Voting R is NOT a guarantee of pro-gun candidates, and strictly speaking, Republicans have caused a HUGE loss for gun owners just like Dems have. Sure, Dems have led the field in gun repression here in CA. No question. But Republicans have done a lot to us as well in the NATIONAL arena.
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Your disinformation bs will not.fly here. Carefully selected examples ignoring that since the 1970s at.least, the Demonrat party platform has contained a desire to ban firearms.
Really? exactly WHICH part of my quote is "disinformation"? "carefully selected examples"? For god's sake man, REAGAN banned the manufacture of machine guns FOR ALL TIME!!! Bush banned the importation of ALL assault weapons into THE ENTIRE COUNTY FOR ALL TIME! Trump just banned bump stocks FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY FOR ALL TIME! All I am tell you is that HISTORY doesn't lie. Again, SURE democrats largely lead the charge against guns. Of Course. We know that. No one is hiding that fact. But don't stick your head in the sand and pretend the Republicans haven't done as much if not worse that the Dems.
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Really? exactly WHICH part of my quote is "disinformation"? "carefully selected examples"? For god's sake man, REAGAN banned the manufacture of machine guns FOR ALL TIME!!! Bush banned the importation of ALL assault weapons into THE ENTIRE COUNTY FOR ALL TIME! Trump just banned bump stocks FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY FOR ALL TIME! All I am tell you is that HISTORY doesn't lie. Again, SURE democrats largely lead the charge against guns. Of Course. We know that. No one is hiding that fact. But don't stick your head in the sand and pretend the Republicans haven't done as much if not worse that the Dems.
Seriously?
How about NFA34? FDR-Democrat
GCA68? Johnson-Democrat
AWB? Clinton-Democrat. Allowed to expire by Bush-Republican
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Let's make it simple. Both sides are determined to strip the average citizen of their right to defend their rights and themselves so they can be enslaved. At one time democrats said the rich were republicans but not matter at what economic level you look at today democrats outnumber republicans for being rich. Look at Pelosi, Bloomberg, Biden, and others. Judge people by their honest actions (not excuses) and not by what they say. we have snakes on both sides who do not have the average man's welfare as their best interest. They want to be your boss not the other way around and to do that they need to stop your access to weapons that can resist their force when it comes. this is a battle for rights not political parties.
AGREED!!
I've been saying this for years. I was just arguing this point with a family member who is a self proclaimed pro Bernie Democratic Socialist. EVERY administration as far back as I can remember has been chipping away at our constitutional freedoms.

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