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Don't bother them. They are already checking with their legal council and will update us next week.
I doubt they are a CA vendor, so this is more a case of CADOJ acting as a bully.
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Is the problem that while an 03-FFL with a COE may import ammunition without processing the transaction through a licensed ammunition vendor, some out of state companies became licensed ammunition vendors. Having done so aren't those companies subject to 30352, which does not include the exemption found in 30312 and 30314?
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Licensed ammo vendors do face to face business inside the state. There is ZERO reason anyone else would become a licensed ammo vendor. There is no requirement for them to, and indeed it seems impossible if they are out of state. And who among them would hassle their employees to get a CA COE every year? It is also required if they handle ammo. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...7.&lawCode=PEN Quote:
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Were it possible to become a licensed ammo vendor out of state, it would also require them to DROS all ammo, seemingly even ammo sold to people not in CA. https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...2.&lawCode=PEN Quote:
It isn't happening. Out of state companies will not be licensed ammunition vendors. Last edited by SkyHawk; 06-21-2019 at 11:35 AM.. |
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Selling ammo to an FFL03+COE in CA
I havent totally followed after leaving CA, but seeing a couple threads discussing recent DOJ mucking about, want to make sure I can offer up some 5.7 ammo since I am going to be selling the gun.
Q: Out of state private party selling ammo to CA. FFL03+COE good to go as I'm not a resident? Q:If private party, it would have to be sent to an FFL1 or other vendor, yes? https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1494640 |
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Selling to a FFL03 + COE would be fine even if you were not a resident currently. As of July 1 everything Face to Face has to happen through a dealer.
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I am glad I can still legally import myself, i'll road trip if needed |
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You know, I read the targetsports post again and I’m not even sure CADOj gave bad info, more than likely the wrong questions were asked.
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Wouldn't surprise me if TS-USA reverses their 03 FFL + COE cutoff announcement in a few weeks after reviewing the actual penal code again with their attorneys and after they have foolishly accepted bad info from the CA DOJ, which is well known for its overreach.
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I hope they do straighten that out, I got that email, though it doesnt apply to me any longer I still had a WT* moment.
7/1 should be a very interesting day for retail folks as they try to sort out the how to. Hopefully it blows up gloriously and they realize they have to suspend the nonsense. Best of luck ladies and gents. |
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Help me solve this riddle...
I have a CA COE with a 2020 termination date. Does the State's regulation for 7/1/2019 COE verification for ammo purchases and $1.00 charges constitute a novation of rights of my exisiting certificate and a double taxation situation? Why wouldn't the terms and conditions of my existing license be applicable until it renews? The CA DOJ's website states the following: https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cert-eligibility Certificate of Eligibility Home Firearms Certificate of Eligibility What is a Certificate of Eligibility (COE)? A “Certificate of Eligibility” certifies the Department of Justice (DOJ) has checked its records and determined the recipient is not prohibited from acquiring or possessing firearms at the time the firearms eligibility criminal background check was performed. A COE is a pre-requisite licensing/permit requirement for all prospective licensed firearms dealers, licensed ammunition vendors, manufacturers, certified instructors, gun show promoters, explosive permit holders, and other firearm related employment activities, including, effective January 1, 2018, any agent or employee of a vendor who handles, sells, or delivers firearms and ammunition. The initial COE application process includes a firearms eligibility criminal background check and issuance of a certificate, which is valid for one year. Thereafter, the COE must be renewed annually. A COE can be revoked, at anytime, if the COE holder becomes prohibited from owning/possessing firearms and ammunition. The intent here is that the State already determines eligibility for possessing firearms and ammunition and is in receipt of funds for the background check. Why do they get a second "bite" of this apple?
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I wouldn’t be surprised if CA didn’t account for at least 10 percent. You have to remember that the whole industry is in recession right now post trump election whereas CA has a lot of pent up demand.
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It is very likely that targetsports has CA ammo license otherwise they wouldn't collect sale tax on CA transactions.
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Here is a link to more info: https://smallbiztrends.com/2019/01/l...sales-tax.html
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The cost for this verification check is a $1 fee. [PC 30370(e)]
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In Summary: FFL03 + COE
So, to summarize if you have an FFL03 + COE post 07/01/2019, the following applies:
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The 04/18 Regs Published by the CADOJ remove the exemption from all FFLs, and only exempt "businesses". Were these not adopted by the OAL?
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So, if I understand this correctly, a person with CoE and FFL03 (who is not a LEO) can order from a directly from an out-of-state ammunition vendor, and have the ammunition shipped to their home, without any background check or in-state processing. Right?
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Every vendor who ships more than $500k/yr of any goods into CA from any state, collects and remits CA sales tax. It doesn’t matter if it is stereos, roller skates, or ammo. AB147 https://www.cdtfa.ca.gov/industry/wayfair.htm Quote:
Repeat after me: no out of state entity in their right mind will have a CA ammo vendor license. It is not required, it gains them nothing and risks them everything. It simply isn’t happening. Someone PM me when Target Sports figures out what they’re doing. Until then I will be ordering from Brownells direct to my door, and avoiding these FUD threads like the plague. Last edited by SkyHawk; 06-27-2019 at 6:32 PM.. |
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Suppose i get an FFL 03 and COE. Can I buy ammo outside of CA, and bring it back into CA with me?
The "buy from brick and mortar store in CA" and "buy online and ship to door" scenarios have been thoroughly covered, but I haven't seen my scenario. |
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If you have a FFL03 and COE you are exempt and can import (bring back) ammo. See posts #30, #36 and #46 above
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Target Sports GTG
I received an email from Target Sports USA yesterday. Great news!! they are now honoring the FFL03+COE exemption and are shipping to CA again.
https://mailchi.mp/targetsportsusa/w...1?e=db13bdd67f |
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Can a private seller in CA send a FFL03/COE holder ammo direct?
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