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WRONG. Contents from ATF 27 CFR 487.92.
Serial Number Must be conspicuously engraved, cast or stamped (impressed) on the firearm frame or receiver The serial number cannot duplicate the serial number appearing on any other firearm the importer previously imported For firearms imported after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch // contents from my prior post are just examples, serial number can be a combination of letters and numerical. Example would be NOV052016AD, what you want avoid is having duplicate lowers with identical serials. Last edited by Excommunicado; 11-29-2016 at 7:20 PM.. |
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I see you found the section on importers??? Where does it say ANYTHING about letters or numbers???
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Imagine you put some fictitious markings a few years ago because you thought it was cute... Now what? Can you just find space on the receiver and put compliant markings? It seems unwise to destroy the old markings.
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AFAIK if it's already serialized with all the required information there's nothing else you need to do in order to sell it. You can't have made it for the purpose of resale, though.
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I VolReg two single shot 80% AR pistols in (I think 2015) via snail mail, they didn't ask for pictures, maybe this a new requirement?
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U S RIFLE Firearm Ownership Reports In-Progress U S RIFLE Firearm Ownership Reports In-Progress U S PISTOL Firearm Ownership Reports In-Progress It sure would be "funny", and not a ha-ha funny, if they delayed completion until 2017, and then wouldn't allow me to put into the RAW database because the complete date was after 1-1-17 I submitted 11-14-16. If it really takes 30 days for VolReg to complete, that puts me 2 weeks out for acceptance, then snail mail for whatever paperwork is sent for whatever purpose. I don't care. As long as I meet the requirement of 857 to "be on the centralized registry" by I think 6-30-17, and the 880 requirement to be owned by 1-1-17, by whatever metric they are going to use to screw us out of centerfire semi auto detach mag rifles, then I am set until we can get these laws out, if ever. The nice thing about 80's that CA really took away from us, is that for those of us with a mill, the genie is out of the bottle. pre-2014, post 2014, registration, no registration, it was all irrelevant. To reset the clock on any registration, just destroy the old one and mill out a new one. They really took that power away from us with 857. Incredibly irksome. Ghost guns was a stupid term. Now with 857, there are going to be a huge number of REAL ghost guns. Last edited by Whiterabbit; 11-30-2016 at 3:16 PM.. |
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DONE OVER THINK IT. Besides, engraving serial number onto a completed 80% merely serves purpose of being compliant to AB 857 which did not specify any serial number "format"
Pursuant to 27 CFR § 478.92(a)(1), you, as a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer of firearms, must legibly identify each firearm manufactured or imported as follows: I. By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured or imported on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and II. By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame, receiver or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed. For firearms manufactured or imported on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. Last edited by Excommunicado; 11-30-2016 at 10:43 PM.. |
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Do I need to vol reg now?
I built an 80% ak back in the days of build party's. At the time I had my receiver engraved. Since I already have a unique serial number engraved on my rifle do I need to vol register my rifle now so I don't run into issues of being assigned a new serial number if I later register it as an AW?
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It's required for "home built" firearms under the new CA laws.
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Question: I recently milled out an 80 percent lower. I have no markings on it whatsoever. I would like to register in 2017 as an Assault Weapon. What do I have to do?
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Build it into a rifle prior to 1 Jan 2017 that meets the new definition af an assault weapon.
Have the receiver properly marked per ATF regs prior to 1 Jul 2018, then register as an assault weapon prior to 1 Jan 2018. If you fail to properly mark the receiver prior to 1 July 2018, then you are supposed to apply to the state for your SN. If you're going to register as an assault rifle you will need to serialize it prior assault rifle registration so this gives you the year of 2017. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearm...ation-overview Last edited by brianm767; 12-06-2016 at 9:22 AM.. |
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First you need to finish it and make 100%.
Then you have to get it serialized with proper markings and depths. Then build it into a 2001 - 2016 AR 15 Compliant Asshat Rifle with CA bullet button and features. Then VolReg it with CA DOJ. Apply next year for yourself to be on Santas Naughty List. |
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Ahhh, I see. very cool!! now i understand.
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Ok Luke so you THINK that home built rifles have to be built and registered with ATF by Dec 1, 2016 and Brian THINKS that it has to be built by Dec 1, 2016 but registered with the ATF by July 1, 2017 correct?
And this is why I am so confused with everything. With all do respect Luke, what evidence do you have prove you are correct? I'm just trying to most accurate information possible l. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk |
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There are many many many rifles bought before 2014 that are not registered... After 2014 long guns started being registered. Deductive reasoning. Build it as current rifle before jan 1. Register as AW in 2017.
Atf markings requierments make sense that it not needed to be done until july 2017. Opinion only Quote:
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All in all, very confusing. I appreciate all the help cal gunners. Hopefully some these laws change in the next 4 years....Pluke...are you going to make your rifles featureless since your not going to register???
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You have to possess the rifle prior to 1 Jan 2017. You do not have to register it prior to the first of the year, only be able too, meaning your not prohibited. There are thousands of rifles out there that are not registered, those bought prior to 2014 and almost every homebuilt made, they are not registered, and they do not need to be registered prior to the first if the year. After 1 Jan, you can not build or obtain a rifle that meets the new assault rifle description. So you have to have it prior to the first of the year. So if you have a completed 80% lower, and it is built into a centerfire rifle, and it has a detachable mag to include bullet button or mag lock configuration, and you have one Evil feature such as a pistol grip, flash hider, telescoping or folding stock to name a few, you have a firearm that meets the description of the new assault weapon. Time line to have this in your posesion is prior to 1 Jan 2017. I never said you will register it with the ATF, because you will not, you will register it as an assault weapon with the CA Department of Justice. What I said was you will engrave the required information as defined by the ATF onto the receiver, this step needs to be done prior to you registering next year, because they will need the info you put on the lower for the registration such as your name, city ,state where you made it. model # if asighned, caliber and the SN you assign to it, this should be done no later than 1 July of 2018, ( un serialized firearm new law time line, not assault weapon timeline) because if you dont, then you are required to apply to the state for your SN, you can do that if you want, but I think it's easier to just have a trophy shop or FFL engrave the lower with the required info (see ATF link provided earler) and a SN that you choose, maybe your birth day, or FUCA0001 or what ever you want as long as it meets ATF regs. The grace period for registration will be the year of 2017 with the final day allowed to register being Dec 31st 2017. You couldn't even register it as an assault weapon right now if you wanted too, the registration hasn't started or opened yet, at this point there's no way to do it. You could volantarily register the lower as a firearm once required info is engraved now, but this is not required, and has nothing to do with the upcoming assault weapon registratiom. Last edited by brianm767; 12-06-2016 at 9:20 AM.. |
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As far as being able to prove that the firearm was built before the first of the year? Not sure. But the state is no friend. Sent from my HTC Desire 626s using Tapatalk
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