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so not even sure what I should say or do about this. Requiring me to have a covid vac
so just as the title says, my work is requiring me to show proof of me being fully vaccinated, and I say that in air quotes, so that I can take my mask off at work. Otherwise I have to muzzle myself because I'm so dangerous and potentially infectious apparently. I don't know if this is something I can get a class action lawsuit against work, or what I would need to do but I think it's absolutely awful that they are trying to split us apart by the definition of whether or not we have had this vaccine. They're also requiring me to give up my hippa rights in order to verify that I have in fact had this ridiculous injection.
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and my apologies, I am trying to speak through my phone which is doing a fantastic job of autocorrecting me and not allowing me to use punctuation very well. I am in a hurry to do this as I have to get back but forgive my grammar errors
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Assuming that whatever legal council they have understands HIPPA the way most of us here have come to thanks to the Grad and others my guess is that that part of their requirement is so that they can access your medical records to confirm. The concern over protein spike shedding may or may not be a valid one but it strikes me it would be a good counter to the sort of subjugation your employer seeks to impose on you.
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Teachers have to be tested for TB every 2 years. If they don't comply they don't work. Noone cares about HIPPA with TB so you probably won't win against covid.
Their company their rules. Quit and find a job that better suits your needs. Its an at will state so you're free to leave. That's what America is all about. Freedom to change jobs when needed. Last edited by SoCal326; 05-14-2021 at 4:06 PM.. |
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Just like the New Mexico case it’s all based on workplace safety and then all you do is use the CDC‘s information against them because it’s got a 99.97% survival rate and any judge understands that you will win I have spoken to an attorney already about this I spent my money so I’m well-informed the reason you’re not seeing cases yet is you need to be fired first in order to establish damages. So it Hass to be reactive case is not proactive cases and after he explain that to me it makes perfect sense why you don’t see all these lawsuits against all these major corporations yet All this **** is basically a huge game of chicken to see who will back down first let’s be real the law is on our side You could prove discrimination by them asking you to get vaccinated for a disease that has a 99.9‘s or 7% survival rate and again that will be an easy victory |
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It's an experimental vaccine that has killed more people than all other vaccines in the last 20 years.
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You can't get vaccinated, your in The First Church of Christ, Scientist right??? Use those religious exemptions.
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Pretty soon they will use masks to identify us non-vax'd infidels.
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If you stand by your convictions then wear it with pride.
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Wear a thong as a mask for a couple days and go full tilt.
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Well I so stand by my convictions I will neither get the vax nor wear a mask, how's that?
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That sucks. I'm sorry for you.
Hope my work doesn't do this. They warned people to not go asking others about getting the shot. So I took that as a good sign, but who knows. I'm not worried about not having the damn shot or not wearing a damn mask. Let us take our own "risks" on that.
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The 'experimental' part could be considered valid based on the EUA as opposed to actual "approval."
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Now, that's not just my, personal interpretation. Business Insider has a piece entitled... Here's why a surprising number of healthcare workers are rejecting COVID-19 vaccines despite having witnessed the immense suffering of the pandemic . One particular passage notes... Quote:
One source for the 'death' numbers would be the CDC itself... Quote:
It all boils down to the same questions Tucker Carlson keeps asking...
Here is an opinion piece from just over a month ago... ‘Authorization’ status is a red herring when it comes to mandating Covid-19 vaccination Quote:
Similarly, for those who have had COVID-19 and feel the 'immunity' imparted naturally from that should be sufficient (some claiming it is even 'better'), the response of public health officials that they should still be vaccinated is hardly 'starkly reinforced' by the... uh... 'empirical' reasoning they proffer... Quote:
So... Just do it? That's hardly definitive or empirical evidence for many. In the end, those demanding absolute, empirical evidence otherwise it's 'conspiracy theory' are just as 'out of touch' as the more extreme conspiracy theorists. No matter how much objective 'proof' is provided, from either side, there will be deniers of that 'proof' and, due to how muddled the messaging has been, there are legitimate reasons for both sides to be skeptical. Which is precisely why the choice to be vaccinated or not, I personally feel, should be left to the individual and not the Government nor an employer... at least at this juncture as there is no, firm consensus among the legal experts or the medical profession as to the legality or the necessity. |
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Make them give you the niosh certifications for the employer supplied theatrical face diaper that shows it filters viruses. Are you fit tested and trained by an industrial hygienist to wear it? Are you given the required time “off” from wearing their mandated respiratory protection during the work day. You can play games back with them, comply, quit, or get fired. Good luck sir, that sucks.
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I stand beside you with same conviction.
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Boom .. this . Just tell the lemmings you are vaxinated .... btw is that even the correct term ? I hear it doesn't stop you from getting da covid , just makes your symptoms less. And potentially gives you shingles, and bells Palsy , and maybe a brain annurism ..
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unfortunately easier said than done where I'm at. I would need a job that would pay somewhere between 75 and a hundred thousand a year in Idaho which is very tough to get right now. If I could get some kind of a tech job which I'm probably really not qualified for I could do it. If I could get a sales job which I am very qualified for and I'm very good at sales I could do it remotely based out of another state that pays better. I'm paid very well for what I do and it would be a very tough move after having been with this company for 16 years.
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1. Print out a real-looking fake vax card. 2. A combination of being a member of the Higher Festus of the Westus Holy Diety (that cannot vax or eat mayonnaise due to religious reasons) and a doctor's note saying you cannot wear a mask because you have cystic ventricular microsis. In other words, bullschitt your way through it. 3. Wear a mask and buy some time while you consult a lawyer and/or search for another job. 4. Quit that job and practice asking if I want fries with my meal. 5. Just get the jab. It's probably okay to do so, we just don't know for sure. That's the last choice for a reason, I don't want to do it. Let us know how this works out for you please.
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FWIW HIPPA does not give you "rights". Hippa only protects you from people with your medical information disclosing it to third parties without your permission. So your boss can ask. You can refuse to provide proof of Vax but they can then require you to mask up or worse. They just can't disclose your medical information to a third party.
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Apparently it is a felony to possess forged Government Documents
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That would be an interesting legal battle. It's not issued by a government agency...
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"Stein believes these black market deals could lead to a wider implementation of vaccine passports. "I expect there will be some form of digital signature," said Stein. Digital signature. I don't think you have to be devoutly religious to see where this is going, in the name of public safety of course.
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How many employers in CA have not required illegal imigrants to show a Soc Sec card to be hired and paid? How often has the CA gov gone after those breaking the law on both sides of that "no papers" situation?
I did not need to apply for a SSN until i was 12 y/o and opened a bank account. When my kids were born i think i had to apply for theirs within a month. I'd call a SS card a gov document. We need Covid sactuary cities and states ! |
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Actually I believe it is a CDC document. Filled out by a clinic but it has the CDC seal right on it. At least my wife's does.
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OP, you are being given a lot of advice to falsify a vaccination card but I'd recommend against it. While unlikely if they did try to verify or somehow were able to figure out it was falsified, why give them an ability for immediate grounds for termination. I know CA is a no fault state when it comes to letting people go. But some terminations are easier to sue over than others. Time clock manipulation/vaccination card falsification would be clear cut cases.
You will have a tough time pressing a class action lawsuit since they are giving you an option out - vaccine or mask. Hospitals have been using that for awhile before covid. Get a flu vaccine or wear a mask during the flu season. I am not aware of a class action law suit that has ruled against the hospitals. (but I haven't really researched this either). HIPPA doesn't apply either. HIPPA doesn't stop an employer from accessing pertinent information. HIPPA does hold parties to only acquire the minimum information necessary. |
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I dont know the legalities of me filling out a card vs a healthcare worker filling out a card - but neither are a government agency so I don't know how that's a felony offense.
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It's the difference between standing up and saying NO and taking potshots from hiding.
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We've beat this one too death. Employer can't force an experimental vaccine period, and sounds like coercion is occurring. Op, all I can say is don't let opportunity slip you by, be sure to get everything in writing and/or email. Cya and talk to a lawyer. Be smart about it, it's a serious matter.
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