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Old 05-09-2021, 8:14 PM
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Default Restoring old Parker bro sxs

Does anyone know any reputable local smiths that can restore a Parker bro sxs. Needs a full restore, dent removed, new stock..etc

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Old 05-09-2021, 8:22 PM
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You don't even give a location.

Might chat up these guys:

https://pacificsportingarms.com/
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Old 05-09-2021, 8:28 PM
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Iím ready to send this anywhere in California. Pacific doesnít do restores.
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Genecco Gun Works in Stockton. There are few people more knowledgeable than Ken.
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I’m ready to send this anywhere in California. Pacific doesn’t do restores.
But they likely know who does.

That's what "chat them up" refers to.

But if you're sending it out, might want to increase your geographical area.
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Old 05-12-2021, 10:33 PM
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Genecco Gun Works in Stockton. There are few people more knowledgeable than Ken.
Thanks! Iíll check them out.
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The last California local gunsmith that I’d trust to do such work on a SxS shotgun or fine double gun was Jim Gaston at Sierra Gunsmith Services in Truckee, he restored a 16 ga. Parker VHE for me 15 years ago when his shop was in Walnut Creek; Jim was Cabela’s in-house gunsmith for their Boomtown, NV location after he moved to Truckee. You can try him but I believe he may be retired now, 530.587-4135.

There’s always Doug Turnbull but he charges an arm and a leg for his excellent services, I had him restore a 20 ga. Parker BHE for me 10 years ago and had his shop fix a very rare .410 ga. Parker GH 5 years ago.

There’s also Midwest Gun Works in Missouri, I’ve used them for work on Parker’s, Fox’s and Ithaca SxS shotguns, they do excellent work, https://www.midwestgunworks.com/shot...nsmithing.html

Just so you know, the last time I priced out a top-tier Parker restoration form Turnbull’s shop was about 7-months ago, using the existing wood (if yours are reusable) the cost started at $4500.00 for a PH grade 1920’s era (pre-Remington ownership) Parker SxS with good Special Steel barrels. If your Parker’s grade is GH or under, possibly a VH, Trojan or a Remington era Parker, the cost of a full restoration is prohibitive when considering ROI, especially so if your Parker is a 12 ga. and/or the barrels have been cut. If it’s a ‘Family Gun’ the cost may not matter much to you, I understand such considerations when it’s a Family Gun.

What gauge, model and barrel length is your Parker? Is it a family gun? If you are not sure of the grade here is a handy reference from the Parker Gun Collector’s Association that will walk you through the steps to determine your Parker gun’s grade, http://parkerguns.org/pages/identification.html

Once you have determined the grade use this PGCA reference for detailed information on your Parker gun, http://parkerguns.org/pages/grades.html
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Most old Parkers are not worth the cost of restoration, unless it is a rare configuration, or high grade, or has sentimental value. The purists will tell you that you should just leave it alone, but they are not always right. A proper restoration is gawdawful expensive. Turnbull is the best at reproducing Parker bone charcoal case colors, so you might find a smith who will do the gun for you but send the frame to Turnbull for case hardening. I did that with my Dad's VHE 16, and it worked out fairly well. The local smith with a national rep screwed up the wood, so the finished gun had to go to Les Pittman for some wood redo. Les is an excellent smith, and last I heard, he was in Adelanto or Phelan. If your Parker is a later (Remington era) piece with cyanide case colors, send it to Del Grego in New York. There is a big difference between a restoration and a refinish, and between a refinish and a refresh. Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.
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The last California local gunsmith that Iíd trust to do such work on a SxS shotgun or fine double gun was Jim Gaston at Sierra Gunsmith Services in Truckee, he restored a 16 ga. Parker VHE for me 15 years ago when his shop was in Walnut Creek; Jim was Cabelaís in-house gunsmith for their Boomtown, NV location after he moved to Truckee. You can try him but I believe he may be retired now, 530.587-4135.

Thereís always Doug Turnbull but he charges an arm and a leg for his excellent services, I had him restore a 20 ga. Parker BHE for me 10 years ago and had his shop fix a very rare .410 ga. Parker GH 5 years ago.

Thereís also Midwest Gun Works in Missouri, Iíve used them for work on Parkerís, Foxís and Ithaca SxS shotguns, they do excellent work, https://www.midwestgunworks.com/shot...nsmithing.html

Just so you know, the last time I priced out a top-tier Parker restoration form Turnbullís shop was about 7-months ago, using the existing wood (if yours are reusable) the cost started at $4500.00 for a PH grade 1920ís era (pre-Remington ownership) Parker SxS with good Special Steel barrels. If your Parkerís grade is GH or under, possibly a VH, Trojan or a Remington era Parker, the cost of a full restoration is prohibitive when considering ROI, especially so if your Parker is a 12 ga. and/or the barrels have been cut. If itís a ĎFamily Guní the cost may not matter much to you, I understand such considerations when itís a Family Gun.

What gauge, model and barrel length is your Parker? Is it a family gun? If you are not sure of the grade here is a handy reference from the Parker Gun Collectorís Association that will walk you through the steps to determine your Parker gunís grade, http://parkerguns.org/pages/identification.html

Once you have determined the grade use this PGCA reference for detailed information on your Parker gun, http://parkerguns.org/pages/grades.html

This is super helpful. Thank you, all I know right now is itís getting dug out of the attic as we speak. Hopefully have some more info in the next few days.
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Most old Parkers are not worth the cost of restoration, unless it is a rare configuration, or high grade, or has sentimental value. The purists will tell you that you should just leave it alone, but they are not always right. A proper restoration is gawdawful expensive. Turnbull is the best at reproducing Parker bone charcoal case colors, so you might find a smith who will do the gun for you but send the frame to Turnbull for case hardening. I did that with my Dad's VHE 16, and it worked out fairly well. The local smith with a national rep screwed up the wood, so the finished gun had to go to Les Pittman for some wood redo. Les is an excellent smith, and last I heard, he was in Adelanto or Phelan. If your Parker is a later (Remington era) piece with cyanide case colors, send it to Del Grego in New York. There is a big difference between a restoration and a refinish, and between a refinish and a refresh. Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.

The condition of it has me concerned based on the description provided. Itís a old family piece that has not seen the light of day for some time. Iím aware itís going to be hefty investment to restore but Iím more curious how much itís all going to cost.
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The purists will tell you that you should just leave it alone, but they are not always right.
Awww, that hurts.

However as mentioned previously I think a restoration is generally a bad idea for most of these guns. Restorations are for old mid-grade guns that are only barely collectible. Low grade guns should be beaters and field guns, high grade and rare guns should be left alone and preserved. Those barely collectible mid grade guns make nice talking pieces after restoration; albeit rarely cost effective.
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I shoot with a retired Parker expert that can give an appraisal. I think that would be the first thing to do. And before restoration is it safe to shoot?
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