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Old 01-12-2021, 5:41 PM
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Which and why?

Yes, I know the M1A is featureless by default. Remove the legal considerations from the question above and discuss.
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AR10, excellent platform. Very accurate! A2
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AR10 is fun and can modify but jams frequently when built from home. My M&P10 never jams but is all stock from factory minus compliant stuff.. M1a is more accurate and very few mods but barely jams.
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Do you shoot AR15’s, if yes then AR10 if you don’t then still AR10. I love the M1A but if I only had a choice of one I go AR. M4 Carbine and Scoped AR10 in 6.5 Creedmoor though .308 might be easier to find if you don’t reload.Never had jamming issues with mine, 308 & .243.
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I have both. AR 308 would be the one to leave the house with.
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If you want a .308 and those were your only options I’d go with the M1 because it was designed to shoot that caliber. Yes you can tweak and tune an AR.
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AR10 parts, unlike AR15s, are not always compatible between brands so people can experience problems if building one up from a lower.

M1As should just work, and can use parts from the M14.
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OP, wouldn't M14 vs. AR-10 be a fairer question than M1A vs. AR-10?

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If you want a .308 and those were your only options I’d go with the M1 because it was designed to shoot that caliber. Yes you can tweak and tune an AR.
Didn't E. Stoner design the AR-10 in .308 before the AR-15?
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op, zero reason to buy an m1a over an AR10.

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If you want a .308 and those were your only options I’d go with the M1 because it was designed to shoot that caliber. Yes you can tweak and tune an AR.
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Didn't E. Stoner design the AR-10 in .308 before the AR-15?
not many m14s to be had out there but good call on stoner.
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i'd get a piston gun like a Scar 20S if you want to shoot long range, maybe something like an MR762a1 if not going past 900 yards.
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AR10 parts, unlike AR15s, are not always compatible between brands so people can experience problems if building one up from a lower.

This. DPMS pattern parts don’t work with Armalite pattern parts. Even within the DPMS pattern, some brands don’t work with others. And there has been two heights of top rails for DPMS. There is no “Mil-spec”. You have to do your homework to make sure the parts will work together if you are building one.

Then there are the oddball brands that only work with their parts like Palmetto State Armory PA-10’s and Rock River Arms LAR-8.
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The AR10 is a far superior weapon IMO and from my experience. Couple of my favorites are the LMT MWS and LWRC REPR. The M1A is one gun I've sold with zero regrets whatsoever and will be happy to never shoot one again. I would still take the SCAR17 over anything in 308.
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I had an M1A Loaded. As soon as I got an AR15 I sold the M1a. The ergos on the AR platform are just so much better, but I still like .308 so 308AR & I never looked back.

The compatibility (non)issue is frequently brought up, but ya know, if you put Glock parts in a Rem 700 you'll have problems also. Simple solution: Glock parts in a Glock, Rem parts in a Rem. Likewise, if you're going to do a 308AR stick to the same mfg.
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Which and why?

Yes, I know the M1A is featureless by default. Remove the legal considerations from the question above and discuss.
A KALI version M1A is featureless. A normal M1A has a flash hider.
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If weight is important, pick the AR-10.
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Having both, and years of shooting the M1A/M14 competitively I can say the AR10/LR308 is probably the better choice for most newer shooters. However, you still need to pay attention to both when shooting. The AR10 is easily scoped versus the M1A, and who really shoots irons anymore???

At 100yds, most shooters will get the AR10 and AR15 to shoot the same. At 300yds, you start seeing the 308 AR10 not shoot as well due to flaws in marksmanship fundamentals such as consistent cheekweld, grip pressure, and trigger control.

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OP, wouldn't M14 vs. AR-10 be a fairer question than M1A vs. AR-10?
Not really, because the M14, to my knowledge, was never available for purchase by civilians, as it was always fully-automatic. The M1A is the M14 modified to be semi-automatic only. The AR-10 does have a semi-automatic version, just like the AR-15 does. The LR-308 has always been semi-automatic from the factory.

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Yes, he did. So, yes, the AR-10 is most certainly designed to take .308 (well, 7.62 NATO), just like the M14 and M1A are.

Between the two, I would suggest the LR-308 variant of the AR-10-style family. This is because of ready availability of parts and magazines. The de-facto standard seems to be the LR-308 variant. The M1A and LR-308 both shoot well.
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I have a DPMS AR-10 (S.A.S.S.) and it's been as reliable as an anvil. Never FTF, never FTE, puts the bullet exactly where I want it every time. I've had M1A's and prefer the AR-10. Optics are easier with the AR-10 for sure, and there's a much better selection of triggers, furniture, etc. as well.

OTOH, some guys dig the "get off my lawn" look and feel of the M1A. j/k, I know that was a Garand. The M1A is a great gun, just not as many options for upgrades.
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Yes, I know the M1A is featureless by default. Remove the legal considerations from the question above and discuss.
M1A for logistics and compatibility reasons. I have a Scout and SOCOM 16.
Made to actual mil-specs and any parts I may ever need to keep them running are commonly available and can be swapped into the rifle with little to no fitting. All the mags are the same fit from rifle to rifle without worries about fit or function.

M1A is NOT a sniper rifle/target design. Combat rifle. Use it accordingly.

Sights are easy to use and are rugged. The rifles are not picky eaters and don't require any special diets. 145 gr to 168 will function fine. I use Wolf steel cased ammo in mine and anything else I happen to have on hand. *Piston gas system runs and runs when the rifle is properly maintained. I can use parts from my buddy's parts bin to keep my M1A's running if needs be. An M1A is an M1A.

I built a LR308 rifle and after some tuning it ran great and accuracy was good.
Too many "me too" manufacturers are out there calling their parts mil-spec or running proprietary designs mixed in there. The formulas tend to confuse about which parts work with which flavor of AR10. Huge pain in the balls when buying parts.

http://www.tonybenm14.com/videos.html *how to keep an M1A running tip top.
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I have an Armalite AR10, it uses regular P Mags. Handguards cost the same as DPMS pattern guns. Lower parts are the same. Barrels & bolts interchange from what I've been told by reputable people here. They're as accurate as an M1A, and half the price. Magazines are cheaper, and hold more rounds (there's a P Mag 50 round drum available).

I'd say find a gun that has the features you want, then upgrade as necessary. They all work well, and logistics? Really, you're not going to find AR10s of any type laying around after the apocalypse, so don't let that unlikely eventuality define your purchase.
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For similar money to an M1A, I'd rather buy a LaRue Ultimate Upper kit and lower receiver and have a much more accurate gun from the start.
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Both. The M1A is super fun to shoot with iron sights. The 308AR is great for optics. 308ARs get heavy really fast. So I only recommend "lightweight" 16" 308ARs with no more than a 4x or 9x optic. Otherwise if you just want a heavy bench gun get a bolt action.
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One more vote for the AR .308 platform, both my AR-10 and LR-.308 have performed well and tend to be more accurate than an M1A, but I haven't shot any on which a lot of money was spent to make them accurate.
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I vote ar10. Just buy all major components from the same manufacturer
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I'm into M1a, and Garands . Just something about them over a Ar10.
As pain in the butt M1A are to mount scopes and shoddy manufacturing from Springfield.
They are a amazing platform.

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Both. The M1A is super fun to shoot with iron sights. The 308AR is great for optics.
That. They are both fun. They are BOTH heavy too. Both have various CA barrel lengths to choose from 16" and up.
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SEI Crazyhorse has worked for me, and ditto for the SA Scout-Squad. The Scout is heavy, and the Crazyhorse more so. Consider that if you are going to be doing a lot of hiking with your chosen rifle.
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I'm into M1a, and Garands . Just something about them over a Ar10.
As pain in the butt M1A are to mount scopes and shoddy manufacturing from Springfield.
They are a amazing platform.
Meh

Garands are cool for their historical value. I have one. I wouldn't have one if all I could buy was a commercial copy. Same with the M1A. If I could buy an actual M14, I'd have one. Since I can't (at least not for a price that is reasonable), I'll spend my money on less expensive (my Armalite AR10 cost $850.00, add $130.00 for a free float handguard, still about half the cost of an M1A), more ergonomic equipment that doesn't require as much maintenance, and is easier to mount an optic on, has better, and higher capacity magazines (what's with that rocking the magazine into the gun like the communists do?), and is easier to upgrade.

Only caveat I'd add to buying a .308 AR/AR10 is to get one that uses P Mags. They're plentiful, common, work well, high capacity (in states where that is legal), and inexpensive.
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The AR10 is miles ahead but with all the bull**** here in Cali the M1A is easier to live with imho
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Yeah, M1A's wouldn't win out with most people as the primary rifle or only 762 rifle nowadays, and I'd agree... but if I can have both, I will have both. I like both.

I like P-mags and I like D-50's, but CMI's are great too. I do chalk up the M1A into that historical firearms category where you own them for the fun of it they are great fun to shoot... like 1911's. Anyone who wants to ding you for that should mind their business hahah. If someone wants to have one as their only semi-auto 762, great for them. They probably know how to shoot one more effectively and at longer ranges than most AR-10 users.
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I have an M1A. I passed on the AR-10.
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I have neither, but want both at some point. Until then, I have to settle with my DSA FAL...a crying shame
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I'm into M1a, and Garands . Just something about them over a Ar10.
As pain in the butt M1A are to mount scopes and shoddy manufacturing from Springfield.
They are a amazing platform.
America's Oldest Name in Firearms has a lot of issues with assembly, not to mention much of nothing in the areas of quality and inspection.

My M14 variant is from Polytech, with TRW bolt and trigger group installed by an AMU guy. NO complaints whatsoever.
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Garands are cool for their historical value. I have one. I wouldn't have one if all I could buy was a commercial copy. Same with the M1A. If I could buy an actual M14, I'd have one. Since I can't (at least not for a price that is reasonable), I'll spend my money on less expensive (my Armalite AR10 cost $850.00, add $130.00 for a free float handguard, still about half the cost of an M1A), more ergonomic equipment that doesn't require as much maintenance, and is easier to mount an optic on, has better, and higher capacity magazines (what's with that rocking the magazine into the gun like the communists do?), and is easier to upgrade.

Only caveat I'd add to buying a .308 AR/AR10 is to get one that uses P Mags. They're plentiful, common, work well, high capacity (in states where that is legal), and inexpensive.
Depends alot of M1as were floating around for $1200 or $1300 , beginning of Covid . Paid $1500. For a Ole Corps Weaponry Garand. A absolute pleasure to Shoot.
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If weight is important, pick the AR-10.
I’d vote against both unless you pick a very lightweight version. Heavy guns suck and if you’re going heavy pick a caliber with better ballistics.
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I vote both. If money is an issue buy a M1A and a LR308 receiver. Shoot the M1A now and build the LR as you can afford too.
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Having shot both, AR10. And as previously stated, DPMS. You will have more options in parts and furniture.
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