Contra Costa

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by Bobbie713

has anyone made it past the interview portion? or have qualification scheduled?

My interview was Sept. 20. The website says that applicants should expect notification within 30 days of the interview. So on October 20 I emailed. Got a response back that my application was still on Livingston's desk.

[ARFrog]

Well, I am now officially a member of the 30/90 club. Day 91 today for me and no contact from CCCSO.

Giving thought to next steps - notice letter to Sherriff seems appropriate next step. If I need to be a viewed as a good and responsible citizen, even if this likely conflicts with Bruen, then the Sherriff also needs to be a responsible good public servant and respond with a approval or rejection within the time frames and reasons specified within the law.

Likely, these letters from all of us, with contacts to our County Supervisors, State Officials, media, neighbors, actions by state gun rights group, etc. will be needed to shine light and turn up the heat.

While this issue is not likely to be viewed favorably by many anti-types, I/we need to speak out or we cede our rights and are complicit with helping to ignore the law by our lack of action.

[Vagabond]

Application mailed June 23
Livescans completed by DOJ August 10

I have sent 3 emails since October 26 politely asking for a status uodate. Today I finally received this reply:

"You will be contacted in the future."



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[Bobbie713]

Originally Posted by Ron Jeremey

My interview was Sept. 20. The website says that applicants should expect notification within 30 days of the interview. So on October 20 I emailed. Got a response back that my application was still on Livingston's desk.

well, you should feel special lol four follow up emails from when i was "168th" in line and i cant get a response

[Bobbie713]

Originally Posted by ARFrog

Well, I am now officially a member of the 30/90 club. Day 91 today for me and no contact from CCCSO.

Giving thought to next steps - notice letter to Sherriff seems appropriate next step. If I need to be a viewed as a good and responsible citizen, even if this likely conflicts with Bruen, then the Sherriff also needs to be a responsible good public servant and respond with a approval or rejection within the time frames and reasons specified within the law.

Likely, these letters from all of us, with contacts to our County Supervisors, State Officials, media, neighbors, actions by state gun rights group, etc. will be needed to shine light and turn up the heat.

While this issue is not likely to be viewed favorably by many anti-types, I/we need to speak out or we cede our rights and are complicit with helping to ignore the law by our lack of action.

yeah... i just sent yet another email. i have been polite in all previous emails but this is getting frustrating. i have now exceeded 90 days since clearing DOJ

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by ARFrog

Well, I am now officially a member of the 30/90 club. Day 91 today for me and no contact from CCCSO.

Giving thought to next steps - notice letter to Sherriff seems appropriate next step. If I need to be a viewed as a good and responsible citizen, even if this likely conflicts with Bruen, then the Sherriff also needs to be a responsible good public servant and respond with a approval or rejection within the time frames and reasons specified within the law.

Likely, these letters from all of us, with contacts to our County Supervisors, State Officials, media, neighbors, actions by state gun rights group, etc. will be needed to shine light and turn up the heat.

While this issue is not likely to be viewed favorably by many anti-types, I/we need to speak out or we cede our rights and are complicit with helping to ignore the law by our lack of action.

make sure that you, and everyone else in the 90/30 (or should we call it the PC26205 club?) reach out to the East Bay Times reporter who is working on this story. rmercader@bayareanewsgroup.com

[Namerakis]

It seems that someone, most likely an attorney, needs to send this sheriff a message that should be quite familiar to him... "STOP RESISTING!".

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by Namerakis

It seems that someone, most likely an attorney, needs to send this sheriff a message that should be quite familiar to him... "STOP RESISTING!".

now that's funny.

[XDJYo]

Originally Posted by Namerakis

It seems that someone, most likely an attorney, needs to send this sheriff a message that should be quite familiar to him... "STOP RESISTING!".

Or “Is my CCW being detained?”


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[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by Bobbie713

well, you should feel special lol four follow up emails from when i was "168th" in line and i cant get a response

Yeah, I do feel special! I got this email today:

Thank you. Changes are pending to the training requirements but I still need to get some things in place before they are rolled out. I will be in touch with you pretty soon.

This was in response to an email I sent a week ago, attaching my training and qualification documents for the Concord CCW. If you didn't see my post about that, I am tired of waiting for the Sheriff, so I started the process with Concord. We'll see who issues first! I've passed the Sheriff's background check, and Concord's training and qualification requirements. Technically, I've passed every hurdle that the State of CA requires.

[Bikercamper]

I finally got a response from my 5 plus emails and voices mails with the very helpful “you will be contacted in the future”. I am sure they are overwhelmed but they seriously need to get a little more organized and more resources. I can’t believe they are not outsourcing the training like many other counties.

[mikevipe]

My mail was received July 24. I did the live scan the following week. My LS was delayed until Sept 9 I assume because I have the most common name in America and have lived in 9 states. (Always gets delayed same for my FFL03 and COE). I just got an email from the Sheriff stating there is over 1,000 people ahead of me. So I am not sure if they put you in the que when the application is received or after the LS clears. I am assuming after the LS, I can't imagine 1000+ people applying day 1.

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by Bikercamper

I finally got a response from my 5 plus emails and voices mails with the very helpful “you will be contacted in the future”. I am sure they are overwhelmed but they seriously need to get a little more organized and more resources. I can’t believe they are not outsourcing the training like many other counties.

I would seriously consider your local PD unless you live in an unincorporated part of the County, or your local PD is a Sheriff contract.

On the other hand, this email that I just got from the Sheriff might be an indicator that they've finally realized that they have to comply with the law and the Constitution. They are aware that the East Bay Times is working on a story about this.

[jigendaisuke]

What’s the email say? Or did I just not read close enough?

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by jigendaisuke

What’s the email say? Or did I just not read close enough?

That was it. All of it. No "Dear Ron", or even a "Sincerely, Pete". Just those words that I posted in italics.

If I sound snarky, I mean no disrespect to Pete or Lt. Hoekwater. They seem like decent guys trying to do a tough job. Their boss, Sheriff David Livingston, has put them in a very difficult position. I have a feeling that he got wind of the story that the East Bay Times is working on and he realizes that he cannot continue to violate our Constitutional rights and California Law.

[lambo9mm]

Sheriff’s office just published a note on their FB page about 15 mins ago

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...00064825237112

Folks without a fb account can read the reproduced the text here:IMG_0939.jpg

“

Contra Costa Sheriff’s Office Overwhelmed by Concealed Weapon Permit Applications

The Contra Costa County Board of Supervisors has recently approved additional sergeant and specialist positions for the Office of the Sheriff. They will be used to help handle the backlog of requests for concealed carry weapon (CCW) permits.

Since the Supreme Court ruling in New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen on June 23, 2022, the Contra Costa Sheriff’s Office has been inundated by requests for CCW permits. The ruling struck down New York’s restrictions on applicants for CCWs to show a compelling need to carry a concealed weapon in public. That meant that similar restrictions requiring applicants to demonstrate “good cause” in some states, like California, were unconstitutional.

Prior to the Bruen decision, the Contra Costa Sheriff’s Office would typically receive about 20 CCW applications each month which would be processed by one employee. Since the decision, the Sheriff’s Office has been receiving several hundred applications a month and now has a backlog of over 1,000 CCW applications.

Obtaining a CCW is a multi-step process that requires a detailed application, California Department of Justice fingerprints, background check, interview, and training class. There is also a fee of $160 that is paid after the applicant completes the training class. In addition to new applications, the Sheriff’s Office handles the ongoing renewals for about 500 current CCW holders.

The Sheriff’s Office is now in the process of filling the new positions. We regret the delay and are processing applications as quickly as possible.

“


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[Bobbie713]

Originally Posted by Ron Jeremey

I would seriously consider your local PD unless you live in an unincorporated part of the County, or your local PD is a Sheriff contract.

On the other hand, this email that I just got from the Sheriff might be an indicator that they've finally realized that they have to comply with the law and the Constitution. They are aware that the East Bay Times is working on a story about this.

Honestly i would go apply with Brentwood PD if it didnt require another Livescan. i just cant afford to get another one done. since i was "168th in line" on 9/7 i imagine ill get a phone call for an interview anyyyy day now LOL

[NorCalBusa]

Contra Costa County Sheriff deluged with concealed carry weapon permits

https://www.ktvu.com/news/contra-cos...weapon-permits

The Contra Costa County Board of Supervisors recently approved additional sergeant and specialist positions to handle the backlog of requests for concealed carry weapon permits.

Since the Supreme Court ruling allowing Americans have a right to carry firearms in public for self-defense, the Contra Costa Sheriff’s Office has been inundated by requests for CCW permits, spokesman Jimmy Lee said Wednesday.

Prior to this decision, the Contra Costa Sheriff’s Office would typically receive about 20 concealed carry weapon applications each month, which would be processed by one employee, Lee said.

Since the decision in June, the Sheriff’s Office has been receiving "several hundred" applications a month and now has a backlog of over 1,000 applications.

[lambo9mm]

Also found this request of public information disclosure

Wondering if relates to the journalist work, or something else

https://www.muckrock.com/foi/contra-...ndence-136980/


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[bonzai272]

I could not read much further into the comments section of that facebook post. Some of the antis in there are disturbing.

[Casoobaru]

Originally Posted by lambo9mm

Sheriff’s office just published a note on their FB page about 15 mins ago

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...00064825237112


Folks without a fb account can read the reproduced the text here:Attachment 1129932

“

Contra Costa Sheriff’s Office Overwhelmed by Concealed Weapon Permit Applications

The Contra Costa County Board of Supervisors has recently approved additional sergeant and specialist positions for the Office of the Sheriff. They will be used to help handle the backlog of requests for concealed carry weapon (CCW) permits.

Since the Supreme Court ruling in New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen on June 23, 2022, the Contra Costa Sheriff’s Office has been inundated by requests for CCW permits. The ruling struck down New York’s restrictions on applicants for CCWs to show a compelling need to carry a concealed weapon in public. That meant that similar restrictions requiring applicants to demonstrate “good cause” in some states, like California, were unconstitutional.

Prior to the Bruen decision, the Contra Costa Sheriff’s Office would typically receive about 20 CCW applications each month which would be processed by one employee. Since the decision, the Sheriff’s Office has been receiving several hundred applications a month and now has a backlog of over 1,000 CCW applications.

Obtaining a CCW is a multi-step process that requires a detailed application, California Department of Justice fingerprints, background check, interview, and training class. There is also a fee of $160 that is paid after the applicant completes the training class. In addition to new applications, the Sheriff’s Office handles the ongoing renewals for about 500 current CCW holders.

The Sheriff’s Office is now in the process of filling the new positions. We regret the delay and are processing applications as quickly as possible.

“


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Thats what happens when you don't do jack **** while they continue to pile up. What a coincidence they were contacted by a reporter and now they are using the old backlog excuse. Interestingly enough no job listing for that ccw position on their website eh,

My guess is nothing will change at all, we saw the guy who claimed no bad history at all, denial letter based a gc recently so. I'm done with the wishful thinking.

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by Casoobaru

https://miro.medium.com/max/656/1*4b...pfGxIkQqA.jpeg

.... we saw the guy who claimed no bad history at all, denial letter based a gc recently so. I'm done with the wishful thinking.

As Abraham Lincoln said, "don't believe everything you read on the internet".
You do know that there's more to that story, don't you?

[jigendaisuke]

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/11/...e-in-east-bay/

This is the article we were waiting for. It is actually relatively positive, considering the expectations most of us had for it. I think they're going to release a "part 2" of sorts tomorrow with more information.

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by jigendaisuke

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/11/...e-in-east-bay/

This is the article we were waiting for. It is actually relatively positive, considering the expectations most of us had for it. I think they're going to release a "part 2" of sorts tomorrow with more information.

it's a step in the right direction, that's for sure. I wish it was a bit more hard hitting. I wish they had pointed out that the lagging is a violation of California law.

[jigendaisuke]

I think they’re doing another one later this week or sometime early next week with a lot more information.

[Rclarkgo]

The article didn’t address why none of the already processed applications (my interview was in Sept too) haven’t progressed at all.


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[Casoobaru]

Don't know if there is more to the story nor does it really matter. I hope i'm wrong but I'm guessing when we reach new years eve nothing will have changed for anyone. If someone wants to do actual journalism how about finding out how many permits have been issued since the supreme court decisions and then we will know if they are just feeding us bull**** which seems to be the case. To me all the article did was help the sheriff justify his refusal to follow the supreme court and constitution.

Ron you had you interview right? I mean are you approved? So they are too backed up to let you qualify is the idea and finish the process but then why not tell you your permit is granted so long as you pass qualify. What other steps are left? hmmm

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by Casoobaru

Don't know if there is more to the story nor does it really matter. I hope i'm wrong but I'm guessing when we reach new years eve nothing will have changed for anyone. If someone wants to do actual journalism how about finding out how many permits have been issued since the supreme court decisions and then we will know if they are just feeding us bull**** which seems to be the case. To me all the article did was help the sheriff justify his refusal to follow the supreme court and constitution.

Ron you had you interview right? I mean are you approved? So they are too backed up to let you qualify is the idea and finish the process but then why not tell you your permit is granted so long as you pass qualify. What other steps are left? hmmm

The article says that they left messages asking that exact question. How many permits have been issued since Bruen? The Sheriff's office is dodging the question. I'd like to see the reporters do some Mike Wallace 60 Minutes **** and confront them where they aren't expecting it. They need to explain that mountain of papers on Lt. Hoekwater's desk. They seem to think it will generate sympathy with the public. Wait until the public finds out that the counties who are actually issuing CCWs are using a paperless web-based system. And they vend out the training and qualification.

Yes. I had my interview. September 20th. It's now been two months. Their website says I should have heard a month ago. I started the process with Concord PD. The first thing they did was tell me to go get a certificate of training and qualification from a certified vendor. I did that. And just for grins and giggles I sent those documents to the Sheriff. The Sheriff could issue me a CCW tomorrow, as I have met the requirements for one, according to the laws of the State of California.
I'm willing to bet he doesn't. The only question I have, is he incompetent, or tyrannical? I don't see a plausible third possibility.

[LateForDinner]

This is the status at Antioch PD:

"Concealed Carry Weapon

The Antioch Police Department is not currently accepting applications (new and renewal) for Concealed Carry Weapon Permits. Please check back in the coming weeks for additional updates, requirements, and new procedural links.

Thank you"

[Gun Kraft]

For what it's worth it appears Contra Costa is not open to considering outside vendors for CCW training at this time. I emailed them yesterday asking to be considered. Their response was to check their website periodically to see when their training policy changes.

Hiring more people to process applications is good, but at some point you'll have to train all of them. I don't see how that can be done with existing staff.

[redhead]

Originally Posted by Gun Kraft

For what it's worth it appears Contra Costa is not open to considering outside vendors for CCW training at this time. I emailed them yesterday asking to be considered. Their response was to check their website periodically to see when their training policy changes.

Hiring more people to process applications is good, but at some point you'll have to train all of them. I don't see how that can be done with existing staff.

I emailed the staff writer for Patch about the problem with training, the bottleneck it creates, and that the sheriff has not approved any private vendors for training.

It’s almost as if Livingston doesn’t want to issue permits. Almost.

[vandal]

I was surprised by the line '...and manage renewals for existing 500 permits".

I thought the pre-Bruin number was 3x that.

[redhead]

Originally Posted by vandal

I was surprised by the line '...and manage renewals for existing 500 permits".

I thought the pre-Bruin number was 3x that.

I thought so, too.

[jigendaisuke]

Where did you guys get the number for 1500? Last I heard was the 374 number from 2017.

[Ron Jeremey]

Would anyone like to join me in a protest at the Sheriff’s office next week?
I want to hold a sign that says “David Livingston, stop resisting. Issue my CCW today”.

[redhead]

Originally Posted by jigendaisuke

Where did you guys get the number for 1500? Last I heard was the 374 number from 2017.

I’m wrong. I thought there more than that. 300+ is a pathetic # for a county this size.

[Go Navy]

I believe the Bruen decision is dated 23 June 2022. So, by the end of this year, authorities would have 6 months to implement it. And in Contra Costa County, they have not done so. Other States and counties have implemented it. If someone would like to start a class action against CC CO law enforcement to obtain our rights, I will join those willing to contribute to the action. It should be a quick summary judgment. (I'm not a lawyer.)

[LateForDinner]

I'm in...

Originally Posted by Go Navy

I believe the Bruen decision is dated 23 June 2022. So, by the end of this year, authorities would have 6 months to implement it. And in Contra Costa County, they have not done so. Other States and counties have implemented it. If someone would like to start a class action against CC CO law enforcement to obtain our rights, I will join those willing to contribute to the action. It should be a quick summary judgment. (I'm not a lawyer.)

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by Go Navy

I believe the Bruen decision is dated 23 June 2022. So, by the end of this year, authorities would have 6 months to implement it. And in Contra Costa County, they have not done so. Other States and counties have implemented it. If someone would like to start a class action against CC CO law enforcement to obtain our rights, I will join those willing to contribute to the action. It should be a quick summary judgment. (I'm not a lawyer.)

I hoped that CRPA would be leading that charge. They made a lot of noise and promised to do so, but have been silent for months.

[serper3]

kind of dumb to send letters written as strongly as they did, with no legal follow up, if you ask me. seems like a great way to raise money though. maybe they are working on something, but if they are, you would hope they would say something to that extent.