Contra Costa

[Ron Jeremey]

I don’t know where you live in the county, but if you are in the 14th District you should reach out to Tim Grayson

[Richmonder]

Originally Posted by Richmonder

8/10 Submitted fingerprints
8/10 CA/FBI Completed
8/13 Firearms Completed

Wrote an email on 8/15 to let them know that my checks were completed and ask regarding the next steps.

Got a response on 9/1 stating that I would be contacted for an interview in the future.

[Namerakis]

My application was delivered to the Sheriff's office via priority mail on 8/8, and then two days ago on 9/1, I went to a UPS Store and paid for a Live Scan. I was given a web address to check the status: https://applicantstatus.doj.ca.gov/checkstatus

But, when I enter my info it says "Applicant Transaction Not Found. Please Contact the Agency that Requested the Background Check." I assume this means the sheriff’s office has not gotten to my application yet? And once they do this webpage will show status info for me?

Also, what exactly is the firearms check? Is it just to check that I am the lawful owner or also if the firearms are allowed to be used for concealed carry in CA? Is there a list somewhere? Of the two guns I put on my application one is a plain old J-Frame, but the other is a somewhat uncommon subcompact “mouse gun” in .32 ACP that’s meant for deep concealment. That's the one I'd prefer to carry, but I'm not sure if they'll accept it. Though, it is a special version called the "California Edition".

[Bobbie713]

Originally Posted by Richmonder

Wrote an email on 8/15 to let them know that my checks were completed and ask regarding the next steps.

Got a response on 9/1 stating that I would be contacted for an interview in the future.

did you email to ccwpermits@so.cccounty.us ? i ask because ive emailed 3 times and havent gotten a response.

[BananaTyrant]

Originally Posted by Namerakis

My application was delivered to the Sheriff's office via priority mail on 8/8, and then two days ago on 9/1, I went to a UPS Store and paid for a Live Scan. I was given a web address to check the status: https://applicantstatus.doj.ca.gov/checkstatus

But, when I enter my info it says "Applicant Transaction Not Found. Please Contact the Agency that Requested the Background Check." I assume this means the sheriff’s office has not gotten to my application yet? And once they do this webpage will show status info for me?

Also, what exactly is the firearms check? Is it just to check that I am the lawful owner or also if the firearms are allowed to be used for concealed carry in CA? Is there a list somewhere? Of the two guns I put on my application one is a plain old J-Frame, but the other is a somewhat uncommon subcompact “mouse gun” in .32 ACP that’s meant for deep concealment. That's the one I'd prefer to carry, but I'm not sure if they'll accept it. Though, it is a special version called the "California Edition".

You need to call the UPS store and make sure you have the right AIT number. I went through IdentaGo and all three of my checks were done by noon two days later. Also, any firearm you put on your CCW has to be registered to you. So if you bought them after 2014 you're good, but if before 2014 you will have to manually register them in CA's illegal database.

[ARFrog]

Does anybody have any idea what firearm modifications are being allowed in Contra Costa County - or know of a reference for this to refer to? Are sights, triggers, magwell OK? Red dots?

Thanks in advance.

[Namerakis]

Originally Posted by BananaTyrant

You need to call the UPS store and make sure you have the right AIT number. I went through IdentaGo and all three of my checks were done by noon two days later. Also, any firearm you put on your CCW has to be registered to you. So if you bought them after 2014 you're good, but if before 2014 you will have to manually register them in CA's illegal database.

I'm pretty sure I got the AIT number correct.

The little .32 ACP was purchased in CA in 2015, but the J-Frame revolver was purchased in 2004 out of state. I do not recall registering it with any government agency when I moved to CA. I suppose that might be a problem? If so, can that be quickly and easily rectified somehow? If the .32 is rejected for not being a qualified firearm for CCW in CA and the revolver gets rejected for being purchased out of state, I may just be SOL, eh?

[BananaTyrant]

Originally Posted by Namerakis

I'm pretty sure I got the AIT number correct.

The little .32 ACP was purchased in CA in 2015, but the J-Frame revolver was purchased in .

I'm not an expert, but I think you're probably alright on the .32. The J-frame may be an issue. I'm not saying you should, but I am saying you probably could delete your previous comment, then look online at the CA DOJ site on where to register a firearm, then say you bought it before 2014 in CA, and hope it arrives before your firearms check is completed, or possibly if you get denied appeal and offer to redo the livescan now that you've registered it. Again, I am not an expert, and I am not a lawyer.

[Solidstream13]

They want a stock firearm. No red dots, no aftermarket triggers, no flashlights. They will inspect the firearm during qualification.

[Adam925]

Originally Posted by BananaTyrant

I'm not an expert, but I think you're probably alright on the .32. The J-frame may be an issue. I'm not saying you should, but I am saying you probably could delete your previous comment, then look online at the CA DOJ site on where to register a firearm, then say you bought it before 2014 in CA, and hope it arrives before your firearms check is completed, or possibly if you get denied appeal and offer to redo the livescan now that you've registered it. Again, I am not an expert, and I am not a lawyer.

I thought I’d read before submitting my app that a qualifying firearm must be chambered to fire 9mm / .38 caliber or greater. Did I misread or imagine that?

I was very interested in listing my P238 (.380 ACP) but didn’t because I figured it wouldn’t qualify and muck up my app.

[Bbonez]

Originally Posted by Adam925

I thought I’d read before submitting my app that a qualifying firearm must be chambered to fire 9mm / .38 caliber or greater. Did I misread or imagine that?

I was very interested in listing my P238 (.380 ACP) but didn’t because I figured it wouldn’t qualify and muck up my app.

.380 & .38 are both .38 inches, shouldn't be a problem.

[Adam925]

Originally Posted by Bbonez

.380 & .38 are both .38 inches, shouldn't be a problem.

I’ve looked all over and can find nothing that defines acceptable caliber - what I did notice in viewing the application (revision 08/2022) is that there are three firearms entries.

Has this changed recently, like in August? Was it not two entries in CoCo County only two months ago? God forbid I applied using the wrong or outdated app (on July 5).

[BananaTyrant]

Originally Posted by Adam925

I’ve looked all over and can find nothing that defines acceptable caliber - what I did notice in viewing the application (revision 08/2022) is that there are three firearms entries.

Has this changed recently, like in August? Was it not two entries in CoCo County only two months ago? God forbid I applied using the wrong or outdated app (on July 5).

The form on the site is a generic form from the CA DOJ. CoCoCounty has taken it on themselves to limit the number of allowed firearms to only 2. That's why they have such a long list of instructions when you look at the site, since their requirements differ so much from the generic form, but they're too lazy to make their own form or join permitium.

[Adam925]

Originally Posted by BananaTyrant

The form on the site is a generic form from the CA DOJ. CoCoCounty has taken it on themselves to limit the number of allowed firearms to only 2. That's why they have such a long list of instructions when you look at the site, since their requirements differ so much from the generic form, but they're too lazy to make their own form or join permitium.

Got it! Then I wasn’t imagining a limitation of two firearms. Evidently I was imaging a minimum caliber limitation … I’m going to keep hunting for whatever it was that led me to believe this existed.

Incidentally, I’m not keen on the firearm quantity limitation - three would be nice, four would be great.

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by Adam925

Got it! Then I wasn’t imagining a limitation of two firearms. Evidently I was imaging a minimum caliber limitation … I’m going to keep hunting for whatever it was that led me to believe this existed.

Incidentally, I’m not keen on the firearm quantity limitation - three would be nice, four would be great.

you might check with your local PD. Concord allows three.

[Tane]

Originally Posted by Namerakis

But, when I enter my info it says "Applicant Transaction Not Found. Please Contact the Agency that Requested the Background Check." I assume this means the sheriff’s office has not gotten to my application yet? And once they do this webpage will show status info for me?

I would second the suggestion to call that UPS store, based on personal experience. I was getting the same message on the site for a week. Then I called the place I did my prints, and they said they would double-check whether the submittal went through. Not sure what that meant, but the next day, I was able to see status, and everything passed by the day after that.

[ForgeSST]

Originally Posted by Adam925

I’ve looked all over and can find nothing that defines acceptable caliber - what I did notice in viewing the application (revision 08/2022) is that there are three firearms entries.

Has this changed recently, like in August? Was it not two entries in CoCo County only two months ago? God forbid I applied using the wrong or outdated app (on July 5).

According to the Sheriff’s CCW Policy, carry weapons must be minimum .32, max .45 caliber. I suggest everyone download and read the policy from the Sheriff’s website under Community Information. CCW starts at page 1163 of 5658 of the document.

[Namerakis]

Originally Posted by ForgeSST

According to the Sheriff’s CCW Policy, carry weapons must be minimum .32, max .45 caliber. I suggest everyone download and read the policy from the Sheriff’s website under Community Information. CCW starts at page 1163 of 5658 of the document.

Good call.

https://cocosheriff.org/home/showdoc...13365150834984

VIII. WEAPONS: TYPE, QUALIFICATIONS AND TRAINING.

A. TYPE. Only those weapons allowable on the Sheriff’s Range shall be approved for use.
Those approved weapons shall be the product of a recognized manufacturer; free from
mechanical and other flaws, within tolerances determined by manufacturer’s
specifications; and in good working order.6 Weapons approved shall be either a revolver
or semi-automatic handgun with an ammunition capacity of no fewer than five rounds.

1. Revolvers. The following revolvers are authorized for use as a concealed weapon:
a. Make. Smith & Wesson, Colt or Ruger; additional makes must be preapproved by the Internal Affairs Lieutenant.
b. Caliber. Not less than .32 caliber, nor greater than .45 caliber.
c. Barrel. Not less than 2 inches, nor greater than 6 inches.
d. Sights. Fixed or adjustable.
e. Finish. Blued, parkerized, nickel, chromed or stainless steel.
f. Grips. Standard grips.

2. Semi-automatic. The following semi-automatic handguns are authorized for use as a concealed weapon:
a. Make. Smith & Wesson, Beretta, Sig Sauer, or Glock; additional makes must be pre-approved by the Internal Affairs Lieutenant.
b. Caliber. Not less than .32 caliber, nor greater than .45 caliber.
c. Barrel. Not less than 2 inches, nor greater than 6 inches.
d. Sights. Fixed or adjustable.
e. Grips. Standard.
f. Additional. Internal Firing Pin Block Safety; manual decocking lever/safety and firing pin safety. (First round can be fired double-action.)

3. Licenses will not be issued for derringer or other “hide-away” type weapons.7

[Richmonder]

Originally Posted by Namerakis

Good call.

https://cocosheriff.org/home/showdoc...13365150834984

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Some of the rules seem over the top. Seems like even adding a pinky extension to a subcompact Glock would be against their "alteration of weapon" rule.

[Bbonez]

2" minimum barrel for revolvers sucks. A lot of S&W J Frames are 1.875".

[Kyle_LLRC]

Darn, guess I'll have to go back to stock, removing the RMR slide and 507C from the glock I was applying with. Time to look into a dedicated range pistol.

[Lemonhead965]

I wouldn't modify any of your firearms until you get a range date. If what they claim is true, "1,000 applications coming in a day", then those in the process won't be getting through the whole process until the end of the year or in early 2023. I bet the S.O could begin the process for 200+ applications a day if they wanted to.

[Casoobaru]

The Sheriff's office in regards to CCW

[Namerakis]

You guys were right about the ATI number. I went back to the UPS store and they found that they wrote down the wrong number. As soon as I typed in the corrected one on my phone it got results.

Type Status
CA Completed - 09/01/2022
FBI In Progress
Firearms Completed - 09/03/2022

Is it weird that the FBI is still "In Progress"? Hopefully not a bad sign.

Does the fact that the other two are complete mean that the Sherriff's Office did in fact receive my application and begin processing it?

And does "Firearms" being complete mean they accepted the guns I wrote on the application, and one being a mouse gun and the other purchased in 2004 out of state weren't an issue?

Wishful thinking I bet.

[spdn992]

Don't think the Livescan result is associated with the application progress, they're independent. From what I understand CoCo CCW application is submitted first and CoCo Sheriff Office is waiting on Livescan result to proceed with application.

CoCo County App emailed: 8/30/22
LiveScan: 8/30/22
-CA Background: 8/30/22
-FBI Background: In Progress
-Firearms Background: 9/1/22

[BananaTyrant]

Originally Posted by Namerakis

You guys were right about the ATI number. I went back to the UPS store and they found that they wrote down the wrong number. As soon as I typed in the corrected one on my phone it got results.



Is it weird that the FBI is still "In Progress"? Hopefully not a bad sign.

Does the fact that the other two are complete mean that the Sherriff's Office did in fact receive my application and begin processing it?

And does "Firearms" being complete mean they accepted the guns I wrote on the application, and one being a mouse gun and the other purchased in 2004 out of state weren't an issue?

Wishful thinking I bet.

Like someone else said, they're too different entities and completion on one has little bearing on the other besides the obvious. All my background checks come back super fast because all I have on my record is a couple speeding tickets and possession of Marijuana by driver from 2007. When I applied for my TWIC card I got it in about two weeks, while my classmate that had a couple disorderly arrests took two months to get his, so if you have any kind of arrest you might be delayed.

[bertskiii]

Mailed in app 6/27/22
Found live scan instructions 8/20/22
CA background: In progress
FBI background: 08/27/2022 - Response will be sent after Firearms is completed.
Firearms background: In progress

Does it usually take this long to clear? I’ll give it another week.

[ARFrog]

Emailed application on 8/17/2022

Received an Email confirming receipt of application by the Sheriff's office on 9/7/2022 with the following comment:

"This was received. You will be contacted in the future."

No other information about the process and/or my clearing of all three background areas by 9/2/2022.

[DonJutton]

Originally Posted by Namerakis

Good call.

https://cocosheriff.org/home/showdoc...13365150834984

d. Sights. Fixed or adjustable.

Does that exclude after-market iron sights or red dots? Not clear

[c1steve]

Usually they do not care about changes in sights or grips. CC county should not be any different. If the gun was available from the mfg. with a red dot sight, you should be okay.

[bluenoise]

My G26 has Trijicon sights, which I was told to install prior to qualifying range day. It wasn't an issue in either CoCo or Tehama counties. If I showed up with a tricked-out race gun, it probably would have been a problem.

[Tane]

I just received an email saying there were over 200 applicants ahead of me.
Any ideas how many they're interviewing each week?

FYI I applied early July (via mail), and live scan completed late August.

[JWSCHERER]

Originally Posted by ARFrog

Emailed application on 8/17/2022

Received an Email confirming receipt of application by the Sheriff's office on 9/7/2022 with the following comment:

"This was received. You will be contacted in the future."

No other information about the process and/or my clearing of all three background areas by 9/2/2022.

Submitted my app via email on 9/5, did the live scan at the UPS store on 9/6. Status shows all three areas complete. I received the same email response you got on 9/7. Guess it's a waiting game now ...

[Ron Jeremey]

Originally Posted by Tane

I just received an email saying there were over 200 applicants ahead of me.
Any ideas how many they're interviewing each week?

FYI I applied early July (via mail), and live scan completed late August.

They are holding interviews two times per week, from 8:00am to 12 in 20 minute increments. So 24 interviews per week.

They have at least 500 applications, probably more like 1,000 in the que.

I applied in January, and I have a letter stating "the Sheriff's office is in receipt of your application", sent in January. That started the 90 day clock. I did the Livescan as soon as Bruen was decided. The 30 day clock rang 3 days ago. They are now in violation of the law. PC26205.

With the number of people in the que, and only interviewing 24 people per week, they will soon be violating California law, and ostensibly the Constitutional rights, of a hell of a lot of people very soon.

Now that I have an appointment for an interview, I'm holding off on the idea of filing a Writ of Mandamus. But I think that is what someone needs to do.

[c1steve]

Their wait list is probably growing faster than they can clear it. I suspect the various 2A attorneys are looking into such problems.

Letting Michel and Associates know what is going on may provide them with more evidence to go after the various counties.
helpdesk@michellawyers.com is their email address.

[Go Navy]

I'm following this thread with great interest, as a Contra Costa County resident and former CCW applicant rejected about 3-4 years ago for failure to show good cause and nothing else.

Based only on this thread through yesterday, the Sheriff of Contra Costa County has not issued one single CCW permit since SCOTUS decided Bruen. Not one. Everyone is diligently tracking their dates of various steps in the process, but no one has been issued a CCW. If in fact they are interviewing "x" number of applicants per week who have complied with all paperwork, why aren't permits coming out the end of the pipeline?

Is there good faith intent here on the part of this Sheriff, or not? We shall see. I hope those of you who voted for him feel justified.

[bluenoise]

Originally Posted by Go Navy

I'm following this thread with great interest, as a Contra Costa County resident and former CCW applicant rejected about 3-4 years ago for failure to show good cause and nothing else.

Based only on this thread through yesterday, the Sheriff of Contra Costa County has not issued one single CCW permit since SCOTUS decided Bruen. Not one. Everyone is diligently tracking their dates of various steps in the process, but no one has been issued a CCW. If in fact they are interviewing "x" number of applicants per week who have complied with all paperwork, why aren't permits coming out the end of the pipeline?

Is there good faith intent here on the part of this Sheriff, or not? We shall see. I hope those of you who voted for him feel justified.

Not everyone applying for a CCW is posting in this thread. In fact, I'd wager that this thread's participants represent a small fraction of those applying. In other words, I don't think this thread is an accurate gauge of the sheriff's rate of issuance.

[cire raeb]

Originally Posted by Tane

I just received an email saying there were over 200 applicants ahead of me.
Any ideas how many they're interviewing each week?

FYI I applied early July (via mail), and live scan completed late August.

Since I applied in a few days after the Bruen decision and completed my LiveScan in early August, I assume there are 1-199+ applications ahead of mine. Looking at 8+ weeks before they call me in for the next evolution in the CCW process.

[Go Navy]

Originally Posted by bluenoise

Not everyone applying for a CCW is posting in this thread. In fact, I'd wager that this thread's participants represent a small fraction of those applying. In other words, I don't think this thread is an accurate gauge of the sheriff's rate of issuance.

I hope you are correct, bluenoise.

[bluenoise]

Originally Posted by Go Navy

I hope you are correct, bluenoise.

If they're being truthful about the "hundreds of applicants," that's a lot more than are posting here.