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Old 10-26-2022, 7:42 AM
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i'm looking into getting a proof elevation or christensen arms ridgeline in 308 or 6.5. anyone have any expriences with these two rifles?
i have a vanguard action in 7mm rem mag and was thinking about getting a proof or carbonsix barrel and a mesa precision stock and call it good..
what do you all think?
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Old 10-27-2022, 6:54 AM
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I think you misspelled 300 norma magnum
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Old 11-09-2022, 8:04 AM
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i'm looking into getting a proof elevation or christensen arms ridgeline in 308 or 6.5. anyone have any expriences with these two rifles?
i have a vanguard action in 7mm rem mag and was thinking about getting a proof or carbonsix barrel and a mesa precision stock and call it good..
what do you all think?
I don't have experience with either the proof elevation or christensen arms ridgeline but I do have lots of experience with 308 and 6.5 (assuming creedmoor).
Neither of those cartridges are optimum 1000yd hunting cartridges.
Your 7mm mag would be the better option for 1000yd hunting but even that is getting to be on the small side depending on your choice of bullets and game.
Hence the 300 norma suggestion.

What game are you hunting?
What bullets are you planning to use?
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I shoot steel at 1,000 yards but limit my shots to under 500 while hunting. The chance of wounding an animal due to shifting winds, bullet travel time, etc are too high. With that said, I’d start by looking at bullets that will expand reliably at 1,000 yards then select a cartridge that will get it there at the required velocity. Your options will be very limited if you’re hunting with lead free in California. Barnes bullets in a 308 or 6.5CM would limit you to 450 yards or so for reliable expansion. Other options may get you a little farther but wouldn’t make it to 1,000
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Are you wanting to actually hunt at 1,000 yards or just a hunting style rifle capable of being precise at 1,000 yards?

If the former, I won't help you as I find that unethical. If the latter then there are many options these days
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hunting under 500 yd , just want to hit steel at 1000yd
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Accurate & light weight doesn't work especially for 1k shots.

LR gun 8lbs, 1.6lbs scope ammo sling so about 10lbs....... with a lighter gun you might save around 2lbs

I love my Hells Canyon X bolt LR MAX very well though out, only thing I did was replace the sear spring, now the trigger is 1.8 pull.
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hunting under 500 yd , just want to hit steel at 1000yd
Build separate guns for each job.
Trying to do both in one gun means everything is a compromise for both tasks.
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Wait for the SIG Cross to become available in .277 Fury.
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Don't hunt at 1000 yards.

Get yourself a nice Winchester in 6.5 Creedmoor and use hunting loads to shoot out to 500 yards max. Make sure you have a scope that can do the job.

DON'T SKIMP ON GLASS. Prepare to spend $800+ on a scope. Leupold, Burris, Bushnell Elite Tactical, Vortex, Nightforce, etc.
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Build separate guns for each job.
Trying to do both in one gun means everything is a compromise for both tasks.
THIS.

Hunting you want the lightest gun possible.
That will absolutely suck for shooting at the range. (Huge recoil).

For 1000 yard shooting you’re looking some hefty loads.

Also, please don’t hunt at long range. Unless you’re hunting elk or mountain goat, you should be taking <300 yard shots, period.
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I own those rifles… Ill spare you the extended diatribe.
CA and Proof are both good:
Good = accurate/ reliable/ repeatable/ light weight ( my specs)
Weight is an issue now that Im older..
less is good.
700 type actions…
Accurate for me is under 1/2” 100 yds factory as I dont reload…
Ive never shot anything over 500yds..
woods/ terrain/ I use to my advantage
Hope this helps..
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THIS.

Hunting you want the lightest gun possible.
That will absolutely suck for shooting at the range. (Huge recoil).

For 1000 yard shooting you’re looking some hefty loads.

Also, please don’t hunt at long range. Unless you’re hunting elk or mountain goat, you should be taking <300 yard shots, period.
I don't understand - why is it okay to shoot elk over 300 yards, but not most other critters?
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Old 11-15-2022, 9:06 PM
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My first question is what are you hunting at 1,000 yards?

Hunting is an art. Bow hunters IMHO are the truest hunters taking most shots under 100 yards.

The longest shot I’ve ever taken game was around 250-275 yards based on my aim and shot placement.
Most hunts have been 100 yards or less.

At 1,000 yards you’re not hunting you’re target shooting.

And the farthest I’ve had to walk to recover my game was 75-100 yards.

And if you’re hunting, you have scouted, set up cams, know the animals regular movement, and normally set up down wind between where they bed down and water.

Now if you’re talking 1,000 yard target shooting, that’s another conversation. And at that range proper rings, bedding, and glass are just as important as the caliber.

My hunting rifle is a Remington 700 in .30-06, with a 6-24x50mm scope and it can reach out to 1,000 yards, so cam my M1A National Match,

First we need to know your game, then we can recommend an appropriate range of rifles that can get the job done.
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Old 11-16-2022, 4:27 AM
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Never mind the recoil, lighter rifles are harder to hold steady and shoot, especially in field conditions, but are the way to go for ethical hunting distance. Anyway, the standard magnum bolt face and feed rails set up for the 7mm rem mag on your Vanguard will require a standard magnum type case. Proof barrels are excellent for their purpose, light yet stiff barrels. Nothing wrong with the mesa stock choice.
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Old 11-16-2022, 8:35 PM
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I think both of those rifles are excellent and plenty capable for hitting steel out to 1,000. Building on the Vanguard action would work great as well, but I'm not sure Mesa Precision makes a stock for a Vanguard action. The real question here is choice or cartridge. If hunting deer-sized game, then a 6.5 Creedmoor or PRC are good. If elk is on the menu, then .300 Win mag. Maybe the new 7mm PRC?? I'd rule out a .308 Win as it's not really in the same league as any of the others in terms of wind-bucking ability at longer ranges.
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got my parts for my rifle. rem 700 acc sd .308, vx5hd 3-15, wyatts dm setup on a vg2 stock (27 oz). total weight 9.6 oz. compact and i love it, will be taking it to the range sunday
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Light weight = good. 1000 yard hunting shots are troubling.
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I don't understand - why is it okay to shoot elk over 300 yards, but not most other critters?
Because you already trekked 100 miles through crap terrain. **** Elk.

I hate Elk.
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I don't understand - why is it okay to shoot elk over 300 yards, but not most other critters?
Because

1. Elk in general are huge, Bull Elk can be enormous
2. Elk being smart typically won't let you get that close.
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Stay away from the Christian Arms, accuracyband Quality Control are hit or miss like the old R700's.

If you want to hunt 1,000, that's awesome unlike others on here.... .308 and Creedmoor are under gun at those distances. Look at the 6.5 PRC to 300 PRC if you want factory ammo or even the Norma. I prefer my 6.5 SAUM and or my 7.82 Warbird.

I hunt with my Warbird a lot and 1000 yards doesn't are me think twice.

My wife thinks I only have 3 guns
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1. Elk in general are huge, Bull Elk can be enormous
2. Elk being smart typically won't let you get that close.
That doesn't make any sense.
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That doesn't make any sense.
Elk are very large animals, so the target area is significantly larger than a deer, pig, antelope etc. Thus easier to make a one shot kill at a given distance.
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That doesn't make any sense.
what part?

typical vital area for a bull Elk is 24"
a typical mule deer is about 11"
So take the distance you are comfortable hitting a mule deer and double it for Elk as the perceived size of the kill zone will be the same.
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Elk is a bigger, stronger animal. Your bullet loses more energy over 300 yards. Put those together and it doesn't make sense.
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Elk is a bigger, stronger animal. Your bullet loses more energy over 300 yards. Put those together and it doesn't make sense.
Something tells me you don't shoot or hunt much.

A cartridge and bullet capable of dropping an elk is going to work just as good at 600 yards as it does at 300. You're not one of those guys that thinks 6.5 CM is good elk round are you?
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1. Elk in general are huge, Bull Elk can be enormous
2. Elk being smart typically won't let you get that close.
So I guess me sticking one at 18yds was just a dream?

C'mon
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i'm looking into getting a proof elevation or christensen arms ridgeline in 308 or 6.5. anyone have any expriences with these two rifles?
i have a vanguard action in 7mm rem mag and was thinking about getting a proof or carbonsix barrel and a mesa precision stock and call it good..
what do you all think?
Like the Ford vs Chevy argument, they're 1milion opinions. Talk to someone who has consistently killed elk. Odds are, they've done it with dad's 30-06 or even a 30-30 all the way up to the latest wildcat cartridge. Atmospherics will dictate 90% of shooters chances of killing one regardless of chassis or caliber.
I've killed them with my little feather weight Mod 70 in .280 Rem up to a 536yd, one shot dump with my CA 28Nos in the Mesa LR platform.
In my humble opinion, you can kill elk w a 6.5Cr or .308. It happens every year. If you want a hunting rig that you can take and play at the 1,000yd range with...go bigger than those two rounds. Just my $.02

Good luck!
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So I guess me sticking one at 18yds was just a dream?

C'mon
you missed my generalized terms,
A close shot was not even consideration in this conversation. My point was his lack of understanding the size of the target. Good shot though.

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you missed my generalized terms,
A close shot was not even consideration in this conversation. My point was his lack of understanding the size of the target. Good shot though.
I understand the size of the target. I'm not sure you understand the toughness of the muscle and bone in that target.
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I understand the size of the target. I'm not sure you understand the toughness of the muscle and bone in that target.
You realize you just changed topics? You went from accuracy to Caliber and bullet selection. I understand full well muscle and bone density. this is why caliber and bullet selection is key. Again you must think hunting an Elk with a CM is fine. you can continue to beat this dead horse but every time you get called out you move the goal posts. you asked a question. I answered it. The answer may not be to your liking but it is nothing more than my opinion.

but lets take you new criteria into consideration.

Bone and muscle density.
400-700 yard shot.
Nosler partition
30-06 180gr partition
7mm Rem mag 175gr Partition
300 win mag 220gr Partition
330 Dakota 225gr Partition

and a bunch of practice

Keep in mind the 30-30 has claimed more Moose in Canada than any other caliber.

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