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Old 05-15-2021, 2:27 PM
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He's shooting 150 yards, people. Read the thread. No holdover needed.
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Old 05-17-2021, 7:21 AM
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Think if they buy a 2000.00 Scope they will be a much better shooter..Kinda like how a new pair of Shoes as a kid made you run like Jesse Owens..

I might see the guy who is shooting in serious competition spending the big bucks if He is actually winning and getting a return on his investment..But Plinkers and Hunters can do just fine with sub 300.00 Scopes and good mounts.
Wait'll you see what people are spending on sports cars...
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Old 05-18-2021, 10:43 AM
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Wait'll you see what people are spending on sports cars...
Right. I once was once at a open track day at Willow Springs and saw a guy lap and beat many sportscars with his pickup truck. Practice with your tool and learn to use it the proper way and get very good with it, then maybe a new tool will allow you to ascend higher. Money helps get good tools, but old fashion work ethic, practice and talent is more important than the price you paid for your tools. Nothing against enjoying and buying good optics but there definitely is a point of diminishing returns with scopes when it comes to accuracy in the field.

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Old 05-18-2021, 10:47 AM
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I think that there used to be a much larger difference years ago. But with modern technology, the gap has closed.
Obviously, you should stay away from the absolute cheapest scopes, but as you go up in price the quality jumps up quickly.
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Old 05-18-2021, 11:45 AM
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For sub 200yds why not use a red dot? Have you seen the European pig blasters in the Aimpoint videos? They hammer pigs on the run using red dots and 270's. The 270 has a pbr of 300yds so why not?

I'm not hunter so I'm really wondering why the red dot hasn't been mentioned as a suggestion.
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Old 05-18-2021, 1:45 PM
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Probably because he already has a scope on the gun.
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Old 05-21-2021, 12:00 PM
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Ok, next question. What power do you keep your scope on for 100 yard shots? 3x ? 9x?

Something in between?
Depends on the situation. Most of the time, I'm using a 3-9x40 or 3-9x50 scope, so I use 3x or 4x at 100 yards, but I'll dial it up to 9x if I'm target-shooting.

When I'm using a 2-7x33, I'll also use 3x or 4x at 100 yards. For distances closer than that, I use the 2x setting.

I normally don't like Bushnell since they're made in China now, but as long as you can see stuff through your scope, yeah, you might as well leave it on there and go huntin'. Give it a shot (literally, in this case) and see how it goes. If it doesn't, then look for a good, used Leupold VX-1 or Redfield Revolution or similar. For the money, they're hard to beat.
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Some lines are high value , for example I just bought a lifetime warrantied Leupold VX3i here in the marketplace for $200.
Leupold warranty is a real transferable warranty not just “send you out another Chinese scope “ (with extra profit margin built in for original purchaser only)
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I know nothing about rifle shooting. What does an expensive scope get me, over a cheaper one?
Mainly image quality. When you are used to looking thru higher end optics (esp. at higher magnifications); looking thru lower end ones will give you a headache. I used to shoot at 24x a lot; I think anything above 4x you'll notice. Even cheap scopes with much larges objectives (which means they are heavy) can't compete with smaller expensive ones.

The next thing after image quality is fitment: can you get back to the adjustments? In certain competitive shooting games, you can have a wide range of distances, so the scope must adjust reliably.

On many of my rifles, the scope cost more than the rifle.
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I've had some nice pieces of glass...Hendsoldt, NF, Swarovski, etc.

That said, I was on a moose hunt and the guide had an old Husqvarna rifle with almost all the finish worn off, and a cheap scope that was so full of moisture you could barely see out of it. He'd killed more animals with that thing than all the rifles in our group put together. Respect.

I'd run what you have and leave it on 3X or 4X. That'll work fine for what you've described.
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He's shooting 150 yards, people. Read the thread. No holdover needed.
Plus, it's on an Axis..... $500 scopes are just silly for this gun.
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Good point, thanks.

I'm talking about the 3x9 Bushnell that came on my Savage Axis, vs. Something that costs 200 bucks.

I'm going javelina hunting in AZ, and my buddy says at the most 150 yards.
The tile of this post is a bit deceptive, cheap scope vs. throw away scope would be more accurate. I'm sure you could get it done at 150 yards with the Bushnell Banner that comes on an Axis unless it breaks or fails. I just wouldn't count on a $80 scope with $10 rings in the field. Even if the glass isn't much better in the $200 range, I think it would be worth buying some piece of mind and stepping up to a low end Burris or Vortex with decent rings.
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For sub 200yds why not use a red dot? Have you seen the European pig blasters in the Aimpoint videos? They hammer pigs on the run using red dots and 270's. The 270 has a pbr of 300yds so why not?

I'm not hunter so I'm really wondering why the red dot hasn't been mentioned as a suggestion.
Because most hunters want to be able to precisely place their shot. Magnification helps with that.

Sure, if you can hit a pie plate at 200 yards with 100% of your shots using a red dot that's great and you can kill lots of animals! But put a 3-9 scope on that gun and suddenly you can hit a baseball at that same distance every single time.

That can be the difference between finding that deer within 10 yards of where you shot it, or searching for a deer that died 200 yards into thick underbrush.
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Also low light capability.
For zoom scopes you can tell quality when you zoom in, the outer edges of the view will darken or get fuzzy.

Good glass costs. Not only will the cost of a scope be more than a rifle; the same happens with good cameras and lenses. And microscopes.

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Mainly image quality.

On many of my rifles, the scope cost more than the rifle.
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