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Old 03-08-2019, 6:19 PM
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Default Box ammo recommendation for R700 SPS 20in. 308

Looking to stock up on some match grade precision ammo for my R700 SPS 20in 1:12 308. Aside from FGMM 168gr what else should I consider? I currently don't have any immediate plans to load my own yet. For now I just want to stay with factory box ammo. My budget is limited so nothing crazy above $30/bx would be appreciated thanks.
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Norma match is on sale at Sportsmans Warehouse,$17.97 if I remember correctly.Loaded with a Sierra 168mk.
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Norma match is on sale at Sportsmans Warehouse,$17.97 if I remember correctly.Loaded with a Sierra 168mk.
Thanks. Is Sportsmans Warehouse CA friendly to ship to my local ffl?
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Thanks. Is Sportsmans Warehouse CA friendly to ship to my local ffl?
They should be.I was told if I wanted something from out of state, they would receive it for no charge.
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You might consider testing one box at a time rather than commit to a full case.

It was so interesting for me to note how differently my rifle shot with different manufactured brands and projectile weights.

Many of the major manufacturers offer premier grades of ammunitions such as Nosler, Hornady, PPU, Olympic, Federa, Black Hills among others
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You might consider testing one box at a time rather than commit to a full case.

It was so interesting for me to note how differently my rifle shot with different manufactured brands and projectile weights.

Many of the major manufacturers offer premier grades of ammunitions such as Nosler, Hornady, PPU, Olympic, Federa, Black Hills among others
I've tried a few. I'm looking to save time and expense in getting a recommendation from someone with a rifle like mine. I also read that match ammo can vary in consistency from batch to batch which is why I would buy in case quantities.
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I use FGMM 175 in my 308 which is $19 a box.

Try hornady as well.

Do you have any requirements?
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I shoot FGMM 175g 7.62x51 in my gen 2 Milspec 700 with very good results.
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Anything with the 175 SMK bullet. If that bullet doesn't shoot well in your .308, you need a new barrel.
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I shoot FGMM 175g 7.62x51 in my gen 2 Milspec 700 with very good results.
Thanks, but yours is a 24in 5R barrel with 1:11.25 twist. Would it run the same in my barrel?
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Thanks, but yours is a 24in 5R barrel with 1:11.25 twist. Would it run the same in my barrel?
MOst likely ,yes!The only difference being a(approximate) 200ft fps less do to barrel length.
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Anything with the 175 SMK bullet. If that bullet doesn't shoot well in your .308, you need a new barrel.
I thought about trying 175 SMK but shyed away from it thinking its too heavy for my 1:12 twist to stabilize. Thanks for that.
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I thought about trying 175 SMK but shyed away from it thinking its too heavy for my 1:12 twist to stabilize. Thanks for that.
Believe it or not,a 1:12 will work with just about anything between,125gr-180gr.Alot of depends on the bearing surface.
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Old 03-09-2019, 9:27 AM
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I use FGMM 175 in my 308 which is $19 a box.

Try hornady as well.

Do you have any requirements?
I tried Hornady 155 ELD and it didn't work for me. Hornady has so many different flavors its difficult to choose. Any particular Hornady ammo I should consider? I'm just looking to shoot steel consistently out to 600yds. Not into punching paper but would like it to group well to assure consistency at long range.
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Black Hills Match, FGMM
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Hornady 168 AMAX and Hornady 178 BTHP (not superperfomance) is what I'll look at though the 178 might be expensive I think? It's been a bit since I last checked prices on those.

Also try shooting the cheaper plinking rounds. Who knows, maybe your rifle might like them more
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Federal Gold Medal Match is supposed to be good.
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I'm just looking to shoot steel consistently out to 600yds. Not into punching paper but would like it to group well to assure consistency at long range.
600yds is still considered "Midrange" and 168's will serve you well. They generally start becoming unreliable past 700yds. Many 1/12 barrels will shoot 175's accurately, you will need to test them.

FGMM goes on sale with great prices by the case. It's also really consistent from lot to lot.
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I thought about trying 175 SMK but shyed away from it thinking its too heavy for my 1:12 twist to stabilize. Thanks for that.

If you do about 5 mins of google searching you’ll find tons of info out there that the 175 SMK shoots just fine from a 1:12 twist.

Your not doing thing any different than a thousand other people did before you, over the last 5-10 years.
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600yds is still considered "Midrange" and 168's will serve you well. They generally start becoming unreliable past 700yds. Many 1/12 barrels will shoot 175's accurately, you will need to test them.

FGMM goes on sale with great prices by the case. It's also really consistent from lot to lot.
I tried FGMM 168 it did over 1in on the R700 but it did much better on my 18in gas gun. Would I get better results with 175 out of my bolt gun?
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None of my 308's like FGMM at all.
They all shot cheap PMC 150 grain hunting ammo much better.
If it was my gun I would buy a single box of as many different choices as you can and stock up on whatever your gun likes best.
I have shot 190 gr Sierra MatchKing bullets out of 13.0 13.25 and 13.5 twist barrels so you are good to go on the twist.
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None of my 308's like FGMM at all.
They all shot cheap PMC 150 grain hunting ammo much better.
If it was my gun I would buy a single box of as many different choices as you can and stock up on whatever your gun likes best.
I have shot 190 gr Sierra MatchKing bullets out of 13.0 13.25 and 13.5 twist barrels so you are good to go on the twist.
Thanks for your comment. I was wondering if there was something strange with me and my rifle. I tried other M80 spec ammo. ZQI looked like buckshot, Prvi about the same and barely chambered in the R700(no problem in the gas gun), and both MEN & Wolf copper jacket had tight 4 shot groups inside 1in with the 5th flyer. I had hoped match ammo would yield me sub MOA like everyone is talking about but it didn't. Figured maybe I wasn't doing my part or something wrong with my rifle.
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Whenever I can't stand the reliability & accuracy of using FGMM in my 700 at distant paper targets I go straight to the bottom of the barrel
and use GI issue M118LR. Sometimes we just have to make sacrifices. Humor.

Listen to smoothy8500 post #18.

It is very true that some shooters have legitimate issues with FGMM. Every rifle is a bit different. I wouldn't want to compare standard US issue M80 ammo with ZQI.

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Heh, back when I used to shoot a lot of .308, FGMM didn't work well in either my Winchester Model 70 or my M1A. What shot much better was M118 (not LR). Which I don't want to shoot too much of because it's unfindable now and my stash is not huge.

I guess if I ever run across the LR I should load up on as much as I can. Luckily I live near two military bases so stuff like that ends up at local gun shows sometime.
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Heh, back when I used to shoot a lot of .308, FGMM didn't work well in either my Winchester Model 70 or my M1A.

My M21 likes the 155 Palmas better than the 168 SMKs for sure. For subbys ammo question, I always had good luck with ordering from HSM.
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I thought about trying 175 SMK but shyed away from it thinking its too heavy for my 1:12 twist to stabilize. Thanks for that.
Shouldn't be a problem. My SPS Varmint 26" 1-12") shot the 175SMK quite well.
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I have a Remington 700 AAC and stocked up on FGMM 168gr Match .308 ammo years ago.

But then decided didn't want to keep spending $1/round on thousands of rounds so started buying the Prvi Partizan PPU 168gr Match .308-- forget what I paid for it, but definitely much cheaper than the FGMM and shoots just as good out of my rifle.
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So far nobody mentioned Remington Match with 168 SMK. It has some good reviews at TargetsportsUSA. Can anyone comment on this? Does the Remington QC problems span into their ammo also?
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Picked up a case of 7.62x51 FGMM 175gr. The brass on this looks heat treated and rough like NATO brass is it supposed to be this way? I checked my other case of .308 168gr FGMM and its clean and shiny.
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Picked up a case of 7.62x51 FGMM 175gr. The brass on this looks heat treated and rough like NATO brass is it supposed to be this way? I checked my other case of .308 168gr FGMM and its clean and shiny.
The heat treat is because the brass has been annealed. Could be better. Reloaders like it.
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The heat treat is because the brass has been annealed. Could be better. Reloaders like it.
So Federal does this for all 7.62x51 brass even if its not going to be loaded with M80 ball? Edit: silly me found my answer from SG Ammo. I was wondering if I got ripped off. Now I know. All is well.

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Got the in stock notice for Federal GMM 185 Berger. They say its been designed to perform in factory barrels. Any one with experience with this round?
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Looking to stock up on some match grade precision ammo for my R700 SPS 20in 1:12 308. Aside from FGMM 168gr what else should I consider?
I used to stock up on that when it was $15 a box and the PRIVI Match 168 was a few bucks cheaper. Other than that M80 stuff that wasn't any cheaper than the PRIVI Match. S&B and Federal I think.
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Actually I think the M80 is PRIVI too, and Federal.
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I have had good luck with the hornady eld, black, and precision hunter series, fgmm, and nosler match


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Got the in stock notice for Federal GMM 185 Berger. They say its been designed to perform in factory barrels. Any one with experience with this round?
Bergers, especially in 185gr can be finicky in relation to jump or twist rates. I would say only buy one box to test before committing.
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Bergers, especially in 185gr can be finicky in relation to jump or twist rates. I would say only buy one box to test before committing.
And a factory barrel will have a TON of jump so you need a specifically jump tolerant bullet like a 168 SMK to have the best chance of good accuracy.
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If he's got a factory Rem chamber, he's going to have a bunch of jump no matter what ammo he buys. I think I ended up loading 175SMKs at 2.970 (way, way longer than mag length, and not much bearing surface in the case neck), and was still well short of the lands.

That said, the SMKs in any weight worked acceptably well, as did the 168 and 178 AMAX's. Fiocchi 150gn FMJ stuff also shot well before the range I go to nixed FMJ rifle ammo. I didn't have much luck with Bergers, but also didn't try too hard. I could not get Tipped Matchkings to shoot at all.

All moot now, as the rifle has a new barrel.
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My 20" R700 AAC-SD shoots FGMM 175gr much better than 168gr. I also used to handload 168gr, 175gr and A-Max and 175gr SMK projectiles were still best. YMMV.
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Bergers, especially in 185gr can be finicky in relation to jump or twist rates. I would say only buy one box to test before committing.
Called two local shops who may have it. (No, I didn't call Turners). Both didn't have nor heard of it. One says they can order it and the price is $34.99 It seems like a lot of trouble just to try something that may not have a chance to work out. What is the expected MOA out of a factory Rem 700 barrel given its long throat?
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