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Old 08-12-2019, 4:24 PM
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I moved here in 2002 with a few handguns. All are on the current roster with the exception of a HK P7M13 (I have 10 round mags).

I recently got approved for a CCW (MIRACLE!) and need to list the carry guns. Any way I can get the P7 registered and legitimately carry it?

I have an out of state child, if that helps.
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Old 08-12-2019, 4:39 PM
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Here's the registration form:
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...s/ab991frm.pdf

The form might take a while to process, so if you need a gun for your CCW now, it's probably best to go get yourself a Shield or Glock or whatever.
Make sure that whatever you buy is On-Roster as some agencies don't like off roster guns.
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Old 08-12-2019, 4:58 PM
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I moved here in 2002 with a few handguns. All are on the current roster with the exception of a HK P7M13 (I have 10 round mags).

I recently got approved for a CCW (MIRACLE!) and need to list the carry guns. Any way I can get the P7 registered and legitimately carry it?

I have an out of state child, if that helps.
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Here's the registration form:
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...s/ab991frm.pdf

The form might take a while to process, so if you need a gun for your CCW now, it's probably best to go get yourself a Shield or Glock or whatever.
Make sure that whatever you buy is On-Roster as some agencies don't like off roster guns.
WRONG FORM.............OP has been a resident for 7 yrs. Not a noobie transplant. And SOL has expired for failure to report.

Proper form to self register at this point is the VOLREG.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...rms/volreg.pdf

I'm not sure, but think it may now be done online with the CFARS system.
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Old 08-12-2019, 5:43 PM
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Here's the registration form:
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...s/ab991frm.pdf

The form might take a while to process, so if you need a gun for your CCW now, it's probably best to go get yourself a Shield or Glock or whatever.
Make sure that whatever you buy is On-Roster as some agencies don't like off roster guns.
I have to complete the Sheriff's range course before they'll issue my CCW. I won't be able to do this until October due to conflicts on my end. So I guess I"ll fill out the Voluntary Registration form and press on.

No issues with Off Roster P7, right? The roster applies to sales only?
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Old 08-12-2019, 5:48 PM
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Yeah, think it depends on IA, but I had to fill out the form pacrat listed above before Fresno County Sheriff would allow my S&W 645 that I had owned for many years on my first permit.
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Old 08-12-2019, 6:07 PM
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I have to complete the Sheriff's range course before they'll issue my CCW. I won't be able to do this until October due to conflicts on my end. So I guess I"ll fill out the Voluntary Registration form and press on.

No issues with Off Roster P7, right? The roster applies to sales only?
You need to check with your issuing agency as to their specific requirements or limitations.
I've read of one agency here in CA that requires that your gun have a Firing Pin Block safety, meaning no Series 70 Colt 1911 but a Series 80 that does have a FSB would be OK.
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Old 08-12-2019, 6:15 PM
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WRONG FORM.............OP has been a resident for 7 yrs. Not a noobie transplant. And SOL has expired for failure to report.

Proper form to self register at this point is the VOLREG.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...rms/volreg.pdf

I'm not sure, but think it may now be done online with the CFARS system.
Thanks for that tip! Just filled out the form online. So much easier than paper and putting a check in the mail.
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Old 08-12-2019, 7:24 PM
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Thanks for that tip! Just filled out the form online. So much easier than paper and putting a check in the mail.
Glad to be of assistance. As an aside, some IAs are very welcoming of CCW. Others not so much. And some "Not At All". Depending on attitude of IA, filing the "new resident" form 6 1/2 yrs late, "could be construed" as a de facto admission of a previous crime. And seen as a cause for rejection, by any "Not so Much" agency..
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:55 AM
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I moved here in 2002 with a few handguns.
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WRONG FORM.............OP has been a resident for 7 yrs. Not a noobie transplant. And SOL has expired for failure to report.
17 years. You dropped a decade.
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Old 08-13-2019, 6:38 AM
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Glad to be of assistance. As an aside, some IAs are very welcoming of CCW. Others not so much. And some "Not At All". Depending on attitude of IA, filing the "new resident" form 6 1/2 yrs late, "could be construed" as a de facto admission of a previous crime. And seen as a cause for rejection, by any "Not so Much" agency..
What crime? CA PC 27570
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(a) It is the intent of the Legislature that a violation of Section 27560 or 27565 shall not constitute a “continuing offense” and the statute of limitations for commencing a prosecution for a violation of Section 27560 or 27565 commences on the date that the applicable grace period specified in Section 27560 or 27565 expires.

(b) Sections 27560 and 27565 shall not apply to a person who reports ownership of a handgun after the applicable grace period specified in Section 27560 or 27565 expires if evidence of that violation arises only as the result of the person submitting the report described in Section 27560 or 27565.
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Old 08-13-2019, 3:46 PM
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17 years. You dropped a decade.
Yes, I did, didn't I? Thanks for pointing out my "Senior Moment Brain Fart".

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What crime? CA PC 27570
Not a "continuing offense". But I was mentioning "what could be construed" by a "NOT SO MUCH", IA. Who could construe OP's failure to report as "required" by PC, however they want. Looking for any reason to not approve.

EVEN, claiming the "failure to report" as required, as faulty "Good Moral Character". And a possible motive of deception by filing a form 16 1/2 yrs late.

My point was, to not give such an agency "any" reason to not approve.
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Old 08-13-2019, 5:30 PM
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IA might see this as only coming clean for the CCW. Would you even consider the VOLREG if the CCW was not being dangled in front of you?

I suggest you file and get this cleaned up...but recognize there may be ramifications...at some point you just need to do the right thing.
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Old 08-13-2019, 8:04 PM
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Yes, I did, didn't I? Thanks for pointing out my "Senior Moment Brain Fart".
Just keeping us all honest!
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Old 08-13-2019, 8:09 PM
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Not a "continuing offense". But I was mentioning "what could be construed" by a "NOT SO MUCH", IA. Who could construe OP's failure to report as "required" by PC, however they want. Looking for any reason to not approve.

EVEN, claiming the "failure to report" as required, as faulty "Good Moral Character". And a possible motive of deception by filing a form 16 1/2 yrs late.

My point was, to not give such an agency "any" reason to not approve.
No need to create crisis where there is none. My point is that any IA who doesn’t want to issue can easily fall back on the “good cause” DQ and not worry about making other crap up.

Not all mistakes, oversights or errors are felonies.
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:17 PM
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No need to create crisis where there is none. My point is that any IA who doesn’t want to issue can easily fall back on the “good cause” DQ and not worry about making other crap up.

Not all mistakes, oversights or errors are felonies.

OK, you made your point, as did I. No need for any gross exaggeration regarding "crisis" avoidance. My advice to file the proper form to avoid a possible issue with an IA. Speaks for itself. It doesn't really require your hyperbolic projections.

The underlined is really a stretch. And bears no resemblance to anything attributable to anything I posted.
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