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Old 06-12-2019, 6:36 PM
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Default No lowers can be sold in WA state after July 1

Just bought one to beat the July 1st deadline of I 1639. Didn't want to give up my HIPAA rights to the police forever, didn't want to pay for a "training class", didn't want to wait 30 days for the background check only to be denied because the transfer paper work is void after 30 days. Etc.

Found out the FFL's new paperwork for purchases and transfers has no checkbox for lowers, only complete pistols or rifles. They said they just found out Monday they can't sell just the lowers in state after July 1.
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Receivers don’t result in an I-1639 semi auto rifle HIPPA waiver or existing law pistol HIPPA waiver. The FBI is ending it’s courtesy NICS checks for “other” on July 1st and the state has not figured out how to pick up the slack. Dan from Sporting Systems posted an update on NWFA tonight after he spoke with the government for an hour.
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Darn auto correct, its not it’s.
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Will Aero Precision move from WA?
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Will Aero Precision move from WA?
That's the brand I just got. They won't be allowed to sell complete semi autos out side of WA and at least for now won't be allowed to sell lowers IN WA.

Looks like they will be out of business if they don't move.
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So does all that fall under the "shall" part, "not" part, "be" part or "infringed" part? :s0025:
I'd say that definitely fall under the "infringed" part...
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Some good ole fascists in that state are chortling about how by simply not taking care of the paperwork they manage to outlaw some firearms.

I hope they figure out how to get a good lawsuit set up to retrieve both money and rights from the state.

Not being any sort of lawyer I'm wondering if this could get to the SCOTUS and if it did get to SCOTUS I'm wondering if it could result in a directive that the State must take pro-active measures to ensure its citizenry can purchase firearms. It would be cool if the regulatory agencies had to change their processes from limiting to enabling.
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That's the brand I just got. They won't be allowed to sell complete semi autos out side of WA and at least for now won't be allowed to sell lowers IN WA.

Looks like they will be out of business if they don't move.
Why won't they be allowed to sell complete semi autos outside of WA? I read the link in OP, maybe I missed it though
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Why won't they be allowed to sell complete semi autos outside of WA? I read the link in OP, maybe I missed it though
ianal, but this part of the proposition is being taken to court by gun sellers.

Sec. 12. RCW 9.41.124 and 2015 c 1 s 7 are each amended to read as follows:
Residents of a state other than Washington may purchase rifles
and shotguns, except those firearms defined as semiautomatic assault
rifles, in Washington: PROVIDED, That such residents conform to the
applicable provisions of the federal Gun Control Act of 1968, Title
IV, Pub. L. 90-351 as administered by the United States secretary of
the treasury: AND PROVIDED FURTHER, That such residents are eligible
to purchase or possess such weapons in Washington and in the state
in which such persons reside: AND PROVIDED FURTHER, That such
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required by this chapter.
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ianal, but this part of the proposition is being taken to court by gun sellers.

Sec. 12. RCW 9.41.124 and 2015 c 1 s 7 are each amended to read as follows:
Residents of a state other than Washington may purchase rifles
and shotguns, except those firearms defined as semiautomatic assault
rifles, in Washington: PROVIDED, That such residents conform to the
applicable provisions of the federal Gun Control Act of 1968, Title
IV, Pub. L. 90-351 as administered by the United States secretary of
the treasury: AND PROVIDED FURTHER, That such residents are eligible
to purchase or possess such weapons in Washington and in the state
in which such persons reside: AND PROVIDED FURTHER, That such
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residents are subject to the procedures and background checks
required by this chapter.
That sounds like sales inside the State to non-residents, no?
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Old 06-18-2019, 9:15 AM
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That sounds like sales inside the State to non-residents, no?
Sounds like, but like sales of lowers, it is unclear at this time. Some have said it bans even private sales of semi auto rifles out of state.
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can you make one from an 80%? banning that seems like a true infringment
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yet CA did. and it'll never come back.
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Washington has no jurisdiction outside of Washington.
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Washington has no jurisdiction outside of Washington.
Looks like I wasn't clear. Some have said it could be taken that I 1639 bans WA residents from selling a semi auto to someone from out of state, even if shipping to buyers FFL out of state. The dust isn't settled yet on what a Proposition (written by out-of-state gun banners who had no investment in helping gun owners) yet means as law. After July 1 even LEO have to sign away their HIPAA rights, indefinitely, to buy a personal "semi auto assault rifle" (say a Ruger 10/22, or a Henry 22 survival rifle) and take a class on gun safety at their own expense.
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After July 1 even LEO have to sign away their HIPAA rights, indefinitely

IANAL, but there is no way in hell this survives a proper court challenge.
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This whole thing is a massive cluster. The state is utterly unprepared to implement this and many county sheriffs have pledged to not enforce the law.

Surprised a judge hasn't issued a stay yet.

All my kids (all under 21) have legal possession of "semiautomatic assault rifles" (SAR) and on July 1 they become criminals. One of my children is 18 and otherwise an adult.

Even a Ruger10/22 is considered an SAR!
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Technically lowers are not firearms under WA law so can be sold and opens a "loophole" in this fiasco. One just needs to find a decent FFL.
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Technically lowers are not firearms under WA law so can be sold and opens a "loophole" in this fiasco. One just needs to find a decent FFL.
After July 1 there are no forms for "other". FBI won't do a NICS check, WA police can't either. It is not up to the FFL til WA figures out who will make a form for "other" as stated in the link by milsurp

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"GREAT NEWS FLASH - “other” firearms being given 1 year extension for background checks at the dealer level. So the lowers can be delivered without crazy waiting periods."

https://www.northwestfirearms.com/th.../#post-2281479
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1639 doesn’t ban anything, it is essentially creating a DROS-type database for all semiautomatic rifles after July 1st and an APPS style periodic continuing eligibility review by the state. Many FFLs will offer the training for free online. Some county sheriffs are requiring more particular training documentation than others. Washington residents can still buy SBRs, underfolder AKs, standard magazines, Shockwaves, and almost whatever they want after July 1st. Residents between 18 and 20 are ones who are clearly seeing their constitutional rights violated, and litigation is ongoing.
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