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Old 05-30-2019, 12:14 AM
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Someone forgets that in his first interview after being elected NRA President Heston stated there was no need for any honest citizen to own an AR15. Also Heston's private planes and public appearance as NRA President were billed as PR work for the NRA through AckMac.
And Heston used to support Democrats.

And supported the Gun Control Act of 1968 after the assassinations.

Admirably, he marched in support of civil rights:




But people often gain new perspectives, as they garner experience &
Knowledge over the years. And Heston came full circle and realized
his support for Gun Control was a mistake.

Charlton Heston quote 9/15/1997 (Emphasis mine):

"You could say that the paparazzi and the tabloids are sort of the "assault
weapons"
of the First Amendment. They're ugly, a lot of people don't like
them, but they're protected by the First Amendment — just as "assault
weapons" are protected by the Second Amendment
."

Interview Fox News Channel (15 September 1997)

Charlton Heston WikiQuotes
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Charlton Heston
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlton_Heston


Charlton Heston - Right to Bear Arms
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'From My Cold, Dead Hands': A Profile of Charlton Heston
ThoughtCo. By Ben Garrett. Updated March 11, 2019
https://www.thoughtco.com/charlton-h...profile-721331
Heston was vocally opposed to virtually any proposed measure of
restricting gun ownership, from a mandatory five-day waiting period
on handgun purchases to a limit of one gun purchase a month to
mandatory trigger locks and the 1994 ban on assault weapons.

“Teddy Roosevelt hunted in the last century with a semiautomatic rifle,”
Heston once said in regards to proposals to ban semiautomatic
firearms. “Most deer guns are semi-automatic. It’s become a
demonized phrase. The media distorts that and the public ill
understands it.”

In 1997, he lambasted the National Press Club for the media’s
role in the Assault Weapons Ban,
saying reporters need
to do their homework on semiautomatic weapons. In a speech to
the club, he said: “For too long, you have swallowed manufactured
statistics and fabricated technical support from anti-gun organizations
that wouldn't know a semi-auto from a sharp stick. And it shows.
You fall for it every time.”



Mr Heston was well worth it for his statue, and eloquent defense of
the 2A, as well as the positive publicly he brought to the NRA.


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Old 05-30-2019, 7:38 AM
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I disagree. If NRA members wanted Heston as a paid spokesman fine, but as NRA President that has oversight duties of the NRA, hell no. Like many celebrity NRA BOD members he undertook near zero oversight and was managed in his appearances by AckMac. That is *** backwards
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I disagree. If NRA members wanted Heston as a paid spokesman fine, but as NRA President that has oversight duties of the NRA, hell no. Like many celebrity NRA BOD members he undertook near zero oversight and was managed in his appearances by AckMac. That is *** backwards
Of course you do.

You have the benefit of Hindsight, some twenty plus years into the future.

At the time, it was a publicity Gold Mine for the NRA, probably the most
successful NRA publicly campaign ever created, producing an Iconic Image
that resonates even to this day:



The vast majority of NRA members and Leadership seemed perfectly
happy with the arrangement at the time and Heston was so popular
that he served from 1998 until he resigned in 2003 because of his
health issues.

When you watch Heston addressing the National Press Club in 1997,
he eloquently defends the 2A, while severely criticizing the press and
their support for Gun Control, and yet still manages to get a warm
reception at the end of his speech and Q&A session.


NATIONAL PRESS CLUB LUNCHEON WITH CHARLTON HESTON
C-Span Video. SEPTEMBER 11, 1997
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4716026/charlton-heston


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Wayne and Oliver North are both a disgrace in their own special kinda way.
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Wayne and Oliver North are both a disgrace in their own special kinda way.

I bet Wayne and Oliver North are absolutely crushed reading the comment by "Frito Bandido" who has no doubt been on the frontlines for 2A preservation for a long time.

I know your articulate, well thought out post outlining NRA leadership has me doubting my own commitment to Wayne.
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Old 05-31-2019, 7:48 AM
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Of course you do.

You have the benefit of Hindsight, some twenty plus years into the future.

At the time, it was a publicity Gold Mine for the NRA, probably the most
successful NRA publicly campaign ever created, producing an Iconic Image
that resonates even to this day:



The vast majority of NRA members and Leadership seemed perfectly
happy with the arrangement at the time and Heston was so popular
that he served from 1998 until he resigned in 2003 because of his
health issues.

When you watch Heston addressing the National Press Club in 1997,
he eloquently defends the 2A, while severely criticizing the press and
their support for Gun Control, and yet still manages to get a warm
reception at the end of his speech and Q&A session.


NATIONAL PRESS CLUB LUNCHEON WITH CHARLTON HESTON
C-Span Video. SEPTEMBER 11, 1997
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4716026/charlton-heston


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We were warned at the time, some of us can remember Neal Knox and his allies pointing out that Heston was being paid by AckMac for his appearances. Those who listened many ignored it.
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Old 05-31-2019, 7:50 AM
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I bet Wayne and Oliver North are absolutely crushed reading the comment by "Frito Bandido" who has no doubt been on the frontlines for 2A preservation for a long time.

I know your articulate, well thought out post outlining NRA leadership has me doubting my own commitment to Wayne.


Do we have to talk about the NRA fumbles on gun control under Wayne?
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I bet Wayne and Oliver North are absolutely crushed reading the comment by "Frito Bandido" who has no doubt been on the frontlines for 2A preservation for a long time.

I know your articulate, well thought out post outlining NRA leadership has me doubting my own commitment to Wayne.
They do a pretty good job maintaining a long track record of being awful pieces of dung without my input on the matter, but your recognition is noted.

A bit of free advice: Save your "commitment" to principles. Self-serving tools (like Wayne and Oliver North) are undeserving of such.
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They do a pretty good job maintaining a long track record of being awful pieces of dung without my input on the matter, but your recognition is noted.

A bit of free advice: Save your "commitment" to principles. Self-serving tools (like Wayne and Oliver North) are undeserving of such.

Mike Bloomberg, Goerge Soros approve your post. They should they are the ones who have influenced you !
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Mike Bloomberg, Goerge Soros approve your post. They should they are the ones who have influenced you !
Good boy!
Good to know that Michael Bloomberg and George Soros are the reason Oliver North lied to congress and Wayne mis-manages the vast financial resources of the NRA to barely eek out as much as progress as other 2A organizations who only have a tiny fraction of the NRA's financial resources.

Wayne can count on you to turn a blind eye to his incompetence out of a misplaced sense of "commitment" though. I know I already said this, but you really should re-think being "committed" to an individual unless that person is having your babies. Blind faith is not a good thing.

Any other boogeymen I'm being influenced by?
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Sorry Pal, I have read nearly every post on the NRA Wayne La Pierre thread

Many cal gunners have provided valid info on La Pierre accomplishments and how these attacks are the result of Bloombergs trying to destroy the only effective RKBA in the US.

So please consider Yourself , PYTHON and few other JUNIOR members as useful tools in the Bloomberg/Soros/democrat party battle to eliminate RKBA.

You ridicule the idea of being influenced by billionaire Bloomberg but yet its his Trace,that is responsible for the lies and innuendo about Wayne.

But to your question Im thinking maybe you are influenced by network and or cable TV broadcast's .

I do have have loyalty and believe a person is innocent until proven guilty. Wayne and the NRA board are effective fighters in our battle to keep and further 2A protections and I am proud and honored to be part of that great organisation.
I further have seen no proof of wrongdoing.
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Sorry Pal, I have read nearly every post on the NRA Wayne La Pierre thread

Many cal gunners have provided valid info on La Pierre accomplishments and how these attacks are the result of Bloombergs trying to destroy the only effective RKBA in the US.

So please consider Yourself , PYTHON and few other JUNIOR members as useful tools in the Bloomberg/Soros/democrat party battle to eliminate RKBA.

You ridicule the idea of being influenced by billionaire Bloomberg but yet its his Trace,that is responsible for the lies and innuendo about Wayne.

But to your question Im thinking maybe you are influenced by network and or cable TV broadcast's .

I do have have loyalty and believe a person is innocent until proven guilty. Wayne and the NRA board are effective fighters in our battle to keep and further 2A protections and I am proud and honored to be part of that great organisation.
I further have seen no proof of wrongdoing.
No one at the NRA HQ has denied the expenditures we are finding out about. Specifically the donations to this illegal alien housing charity they fully cop to and refuse to address the questions as to why they never reported donations.

Nor has anyone directly denied the information about the chartering of jets, the apartment for blondie intern, Wayne's trips to Europe or el Caribe. No one has denied that the NRA, after paying out advanced retirements dividends to Wayne and some other officers, alerted NRA employees their retirement benefits were frozen and might be cancelled.

Nor has the NRA denied the costs for the liability insurance for NRA Boardmembers went up about 340% in a single year. That itself is a harbinger of doom.

But hey all is well and we are the bad guys for pointing that there is a rotting corpse of misdeeds in the NRA's trunk.

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Sorry Pal, I have read nearly every post on the NRA Wayne La Pierre thread

Many cal gunners have provided valid info on La Pierre accomplishments and how these attacks are the result of Bloombergs trying to destroy the only effective RKBA in the US.

So please consider Yourself , PYTHON and few other JUNIOR members as useful tools in the Bloomberg/Soros/democrat party battle to eliminate RKBA.

You ridicule the idea of being influenced by billionaire Bloomberg but yet its his Trace,that is responsible for the lies and innuendo about Wayne.

But to your question Im thinking maybe you are influenced by network and or cable TV broadcast's .

I do have have loyalty and believe a person is innocent until proven guilty. Wayne and the NRA board are effective fighters in our battle to keep and further 2A protections and I am proud and honored to be part of that great organisation.
I further have seen no proof of wrongdoing.
Well I'm glad I'm a useful tool at least. More than you can say.
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Wayne is effective ! The anti gunners are trying to get him replaced with a figurehead type who never does anything!
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Wayne is effective ! The anti gunners are trying to get him replaced with a figurehead type who never does anything!
If anything, Wayne was the one placed there by the anti-gunners. He's doing a pretty good job of destroying the NRA and alienating it's members. He literally never does anything but go up on stage, spout the usual crap, then flies home on his private jet, banging his hot girlfriend and burning stacks of cash on his way back.
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Just got back from gun show where I asked NRA volunteers how many new members have been recruited?
They answered 200 which I replied that’s good .
Next question how many questioned you about Wayne LaPiere and the controversy?
Answer “ 1 idiot,pretty good ratio huh!”
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Just got back from gun show where I asked NRA volunteers how many new members have been recruited?
They answered 200 which I replied that’s good .
Next question how many questioned you about Wayne LaPiere and the controversy?
Answer “ 1 idiot,pretty good ratio huh!”
And? I assume if they are joining the NRA, it means they are unaware of what's going on. Your comment means absolutely nothing. Just a bunch of blind people throwing more money at a company that's helping strip their rights away. Congratulations, you probably just bought Wayne another vacation! You really are saving our rights! Maybe if we just throw a few hundred more million at him, there will be enough left over to use to fight some gun laws? So if someone is accused of a crime, we should shun anyone that wants to investigate the evidence and call them idiots?
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And? I assume if they are joining the NRA, it means they are unaware of what's going on. Your comment means absolutely nothing. Just a bunch of blind people throwing more money at a company that's helping strip their rights away. Congratulations, you probably just bought Wayne another vacation! You really are saving our rights! Maybe if we just throw a few hundred more million at him, there will be enough left over to use to fight some gun laws? So if someone is accused of a crime, we should shun anyone that wants to investigate the evidence and call them idiots?
OMG you were you the 1 person out of 200 new NRA members they were talking about?
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OMG you were you the 1 person out of 200 new NRA members they were talking about?
Welp, you caught me! Clearly I'm the only person in the world who believes all the history and evidence against the NRA. I just make thousands of accounts on all these forums, youtube, and blog sites to trash talk the NRA. I assume you probably also found out that I created all the evidence against the NRA, and that the fierce WLP has been vigorously fighting my every attempt to disband the greatest defender of the 2nd amendment.
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Welp, you caught me! Clearly I'm the only person in the world who believes all the history and evidence against the NRA. I just make thousands of accounts on all these forums, youtube, and blog sites to trash talk the NRA. I assume you probably also found out that I created all the evidence against the NRA, and that the fierce WLP has been vigorously fighting my every attempt to disband the greatest defender of the 2nd amendment.
With all the innuendo and class warfare compiled by sour grapes Jeff Knox, Bloomberg/ soros/you and other NRA haters. Im really surprised you did not convince the NRA reps who were recruiting at the gun show.

In fact they referred to the one person who wanted Wayne out, as an idiot!
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Sorry Pal, I have read nearly every post on the NRA Wayne La Pierre thread

Many cal gunners have provided valid info on La Pierre accomplishments and how these attacks are the result of Bloombergs trying to destroy the only effective RKBA in the US.
Who cares what other Calgunners think or what Bloomberg or whoever the hell else thinks on the matter? Do you defer all your critical thinking to what other people think or say? You don't ask yourself why does the NRA, with it's vast financial resources, barely get as many "wins" as the other 2A groups who have a tiny fraction of the money the NRA does? You have really never asked yourself these questions?

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So please consider Yourself , PYTHON and few other JUNIOR members as useful tools in the Bloomberg/Soros/democrat party battle to eliminate RKBA.

You ridicule the idea of being influenced by billionaire Bloomberg but yet its his Trace,that is responsible for the lies and innuendo about Wayne.

But to your question Im thinking maybe you are influenced by network and or cable TV broadcast's .
I actually don't watch TV, but nice try. I get the feeling you're projecting. You must have certain TV personalities you listen to and "trust", since you appear to have a strong preference and are so open to suggestion from strong authority figures like Wayne Lapierre who confirm your biases. Just because you might work that way doesn't mean that's how others operate.

Know what influences me? I am influenced by the fact that I wasted a ton of money on a lifetime NRA membership, and all they keep doing is sucking money out of the 2A community on the one hand, and then negotiating our rights away on the other to maintain a perpetual cycle of lucrative fear-mongering. If they invested half as much money into fighting gun control as they piss away on superfluous garbage, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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I further have seen no proof of wrongdoing.



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With all the innuendo and class warfare compiled by sour grapes Jeff Knox, Bloomberg/ soros/you and other NRA haters. Im really surprised you did not convince the NRA reps who were recruiting at the gun show.

In fact they referred to the one person who wanted Wayne out, as an idiot!
Well I wish I had gone to this gun show so I could ask them if they've actually seen the evidence, or if they are just listening to the bullsh*t the NRA spews. It would be nice to have an actual conversation, unless they are just dimwitted morons like others here who believe everything their "god" tells them. I guess it's not your fault, you have a similar condition to women who have been abused. "They aren't bad, we just don't understand them." The fact that they referred to this person as an idiot tells me they are very immature, a trait they seem to share with some of the other members who refuse to believe their money is being wasted. Someone is an idiot because they want to make sure the money they donate for a cause is being used as they claim? So we should just blindly throw money at every non-profit in the world and just trust that they use every penny for what they claim? Your blind loyalty is actually very concerning. It's what tells me that this world really is screwed, and stupidity and ignorance will eventually be what turns us into a left wing dictatorship.

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Latest Intel Dump. NRA spent at least $115 million on PR with AckMacin the last 6 years. Anyone think the NRA got $100 million in return for all that. I don't.
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Latest Intel Dump. NRA spent at least $115 million on PR with AckMacin the last 6 years. Anyone think the NRA got $100 million in return for all that. I don't.
I'm sure Wayne enjoyed the millions that went to his lavish lifestyle.
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Wayne is a successful leader who brought the NRA to nearly 6 million members and is winning RKBA against unlimited wealth and media antagonist's !

He would be paid lots more if he were a coach of any winning basketball or football team and instead of being demonized he would be placed on a pedestal of honor.

Thank God he is a patriot who will take whatever big democrat/international media throws at him, for chump change. I refer to what other CEOs/coachs are paid.

https://www.boydsbets.com/highest-pa...ge-basketball/
Mike Krzyzewski Duke $8,982,325
John Calipari Kentucky $7,450,000
Chris Holtmann Ohio State $7,149,849
Bill Self Kansas $4,779,877
Tom Izzo Michigan State $3,652,979
Sean Miller Arizona $3,654,853
Bob Huggins West Virginia $3,750,000
Larry Krystkowiak Utah $3,390,000
John Beilein Michigan $3,370,000
Archie Miller Indiana $3,200,000
Lon Kruger Oklahoma $3,100,000
Shaka Smart Texas $3,100,000
Gregg Marshall Wichita State $3,000,000
Tony Bennett Virginia $3,000,000
Avery Johnson Alabama $2,899,497
Scott Drew Baylor $2,865,975
Frank Martin South Carolina $2,850,000
Brad Underwood Illinois $2,755,450
Buzz Williams Virginia Tech $2,750,000
Mark Turgeon Maryland $2,700,915
Dana Altman Oregon $2,700,000
Cuonzo Martin Missouri $2,700,000
Steve Alford UCLA $2,600,000
Jay Wright Villanova $2,585,041
Mike Anderson Arkansas $2,550,000
Michael White Florida $2,537,758
Bruce Pearl Auburn $2,500,000
Will Wade LSU $2,500,000
Matt Painter Purdue $2,478,795
Mike Brey Notre Dame $1,227,910
Billy Kennedy Texas A&M $2,350,000
Bruce Weber Kansas State $2,250,000
Tim Miles Nebraska $2,250,080
Leonard Hamilton Florida State $2,250,000
Rick Barnes Tennessee $2,250,000
Greg Gard Wisconsin $2,250,000
Fran McCaffery Iowa $2,225,000
Mick Cronin Cincinnati $2,217,465
Ed Cooley Providence $2,204,030
Kevin Keatts North Carolina State $2,200,000
Roy Williams North Carolina $2,182,986
Mark Fox Georgia $2,150,000
Jim Boeheim Syracuse $2,151,736
Ben Howland Mississippi State $2,100,000
Bobby Hurley Arizona State $2,100,000
Andy Kennedy Mississippi $2,050,000
Steve Prohm Iowa State $2,000,000
Wayne Tinkle Oregon State $1,966,668
Richard Pitino Minnesota $1,957,753
Mark Few Gonzaga $1,934,104
Brad Brownell Clemson $1,800,000
Mike Hopkins Washington $1,800,004
Danny Manning Wake Forest $1,748,878
Josh Pastner Georgia Tech $1,700,000
Chris Mack Xavier $1,668,930
Steve Pikiell Rutgers $1,600,000
Jim Larranaga Miami (Fla.) $1,526,735
Chris Beard Texas Tech $1,500,000
Jim Christian Boston College $1,463,235
Chris Collins Northwestern $1,434,725
Tad Boyle Colorado $1,420,183

Im not saying these people are not worth what they are being paid, Im saying if anything Wayne is under paid!
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What do the salaries of Division 1 college basketball coaches have to do with the NRA?
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What do the salaries of Division 1 college basketball coaches have to do with the NRA?
Considering Wayne La Pierre makes about 1 million a year for being CEO of a successful 5.5 million member organization and is demonized continually by those who would take away all rights.

It seems relevant to compare him with what these funky coaches make managing about 20 people.


Its all about perspective and what one values. When morons in stadiums are cheering multimillionaires and in the next instant condeming the NRA CEO for a pittance of what a coach make seems like a contradiction.

There are literally dozens of examples but the "coach' seemed to fit what Im trying to say .
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It’s a stupid comparison. College athletics and the NRA are vastly different entities.
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It’s a stupid comparison. College athletics and the NRA are vastly different entities.
Its only stupid if one is not capable of understanding analogies!

On one hand we have a CEO who brought the NRA to over 5 million members and runs a very successful entity that is tasked with keeping info on members, training venues, conventions,lobbying,recruitment and of course winning elections to further RKBA. This successful CEO is hated by the democrat party, internationial law, teachers union most media and earths wealthiest persons!
He is paid about 1 million a year !

On the other hand we have coaches who are tasked with finding 5 tall guys who can dribble and play a simple childs game . These coaches are loved, praised and revered by all of the above for this nitwit game of ZERO importance .
Their pay is listed above 8 million dollars to coach a game played by and loved by simpletons !

Do you now see why the comparison works ?
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It’s still a stupid comparison. The NRA and college athletics have vastly different goals. NCAA athletics programs make huge profits for their schools via merchandising and ticket sales. They are money making machines. College coaches are picked to run successful programs to make more money.

By your own explanation, your comparison doesn’t work. You’re comparing apples and oranges because you are a simpleton.

Worry about gaining a concrete understanding of the 2nd amendment and how it applies to all Americans, not just the ones you agree with philosophically.

This is not an attack on the NRA. It’s still our best bet in the fight for the 2a. But it has flaws that can be fixed.
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The comparison was made for those who denigrate and condemn Wayne La Pierre for his 1million salary.
Using college coaches pay puts his piddly pay check in perspective to what people make today. I could have used other CEOs who are in the 80 million range, but thats been published before.

Now I suggest you chill out by putting on your sports jersey, tuning in ESPN and having a beer.
As for people with no self control or democrat owning guns. I stand by the statement of John Adams .

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with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution
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John Adams didn’t want Democrats to own guns...got it. You are truly delusional and an enemy to the 2nd amendment.
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John Adams was also the President to sign into law the Alien and Sedition acts.
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John Adams didn’t want Democrats to own guns...got it. You are truly delusional and an enemy to the 2nd amendment.
Your name calling doesn't really add to your aurgument. In fact it makes you look stupid !
Now Adams said only a" religious moral people ..."
I do not see any democrat as religious or moral!

witness the bills for infanticide!

witness the laws and taxes to pay for a global climate change hoax.

Witness their attempt to steal all human freedom by putting us into a serf class through socialism and attacks on free speach.

Witness the 80 million people murdered by socialist government since 1900 !

Witness the attacks on Christians and the attempt to steal elections by open borders and other immigration schemes !

On and on the democrat party and its members prove they are neither moral or religious .

Next bring in all the democrats who commit mass murder including the democrat who shot up a republican ball game,james Holmes and so many others .

Do you think all murders in Chicago are done by moral religious republicans ?

The ANTIFA thugs killing cops is another example as is the bike lock attacker and scores of other attacks against Trump republicans . All prove democrats should not have access to guns.

Pay attention please .
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If someone wants to compare the NRA to sports teams. How many losses have occurred under Wayne, how bad is the financial problems of team NRA, where is Team NRA's bench, and has Team NRA been grooming the coach's replacement or are they going to look to poach some other Team's coach?
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John Adams didn’t want Democrats to own guns...got it. You are truly delusional and an enemy to the 2nd amendment.
ja308 thinks that the Second Amendment reads as follows:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.... unless they don't tow the Republican Party line, in which case TAKE THEIR GUNS !
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The 2nd amendment was written in part to protect the people against a tyrannical government.

It was not written in order to arm those who want a tyrannical government.

I stay with the statement only religious and moral people should own guns and democrats should not own guns! Because they work against gun rights, liberty,limited government and they are attempting to overthrow our constitutional form of government and replace it with international law.
Democrats further are not universally religious or moral !

Can I get a ^5 ?
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No. The NRA does not agree with you. The 2nd amendment does not agree with you. You are as bad, or worse, than the leftist gun grabbers.

There are plenty of current and former military members who vote democrat. Plenty of them are non-religious. You want them disarmed. It’s disgusting and pathetic.
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Back to name calling!
People who swear to protect the constitution against all enemies...
and vote to rake away constitutional guarantees should not own guns !

Pretty simple really,if you are an enemy to RKBA you should not own guns.

After voting away our rights these same types will use force to further their utopian state.

As a former NRA instructor I would not teach a Democrat to shoot !
I would play golf with one however.

You seem extremely intolerant and bigoted against religious/moral people.
Is there a reason for that ?
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Lol. I’m a very religious and moral person. I’m a Christian. I have been a youth leader for many years. I vote republican. I am an NRA member. These characteristics have nothing to do with my right to possess a firearm.

See, the 2nd amendment isn’t conditional. It is a right that shall not be infringed. Sure, most of us can agree that violent felons shouldn’t possess guns. Most of us will not agree that the 2nd amendment applies only to religious and moral people.

Do you really believe what you are saying? Is it your personal opinion, or one you believe the NRA should endorse? Maybe you can write this stuff down and send it to the NRA attorneys. Surely if they presented your stellar analysis in court, the war against the 2a would be over.
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