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Old 05-28-2019, 4:09 AM
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Ahhhh...the typical gun owners commenting on this thread!
  • Demanding perfection of others while being anything
    Throwing the NRA under the bus for any perceived slight
    Being judgemental of mistakes and failures with no forgiveness
    The NRA is never “pure” enough

This is typical behavior of gun owners on the political front. We generally suck as a group. It is in part why we have allowed the NRA to flail around. We should be working with them. The Democrats ALWAYS close ranks; we almost never do.

I guess our behavior is part of the independent conservative mindset and it manifests in weird ways. We will never get rid of GCA 1968 and NFA 1934 without some serious mindset changes. Imagine the power we would have with 20 million NRA members.

My post is just pissing in the wind. Gun owners won’t join even if the are significant discounts and the whiners will only complain rather than participate. Frankly, I am worn down by it and my enthusiasm has waned. VCDL in Virginia should be our model, but even they cannot pass 10k members.

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The issue with the NRA is they have been completely ineffective at fixing the damage they caused in the past.

NFA
GCA
Hughes Amendment
Bump Stock ban

All supported directly or indirectly by the NRA.

Even worse, they were in capable of getting any major pro 2A legislation passed during the first two years of Trump’s presidency.

The NRA excels at marketing itself.
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The issue with the NRA is they have been completely ineffective at fixing the damage they caused in the past.

NFA
GCA
Hughes Amendment
Bump Stock ban

All supported directly or indirectly by the NRA.

Even worse, they were in capable of getting any major pro 2A legislation passed during the first two years of Trumpís presidency.

The NRA excels at marketing itself.
The NRA is only as strong as it's members. Imagine the clout they would have if the 80 or so million gun owners that aren't members but complain about what the NRA hasn't achieved stopped acting like parasites and actually supported and worked with the NRA to determine and achieve it's goals.
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Old 05-28-2019, 8:19 AM
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The NRA is only as strong as it's members. Imagine the clout they would have if the 80 or so million gun owners that aren't members but complain about what the NRA hasn't achieved stopped acting like parasites and actually supported and worked with the NRA to determine and achieve it's goals.
I thought the NRA was the 600 lb gorilla in the room. Now you are saying they are ineffective and itís all our fault?

Nothing makes me want to sign up for the NRA again than being told the NRA isnít effective because they donít have enough members.
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I thought the NRA was the 600 lb gorilla in the room. Now you are saying they are ineffective and itís all our fault?

Nothing makes me want to sign up for the NRA again than being told the NRA isnít effective because they donít have enough members.
They are much more effective than any other pro 2ndA organization and they have done wonders with what members they do have, but any organization is only as strong as it's members make it. The NRA needs more political clout if they are to accomplish the miracles that the complainers expect and members equal votes to politicians. Those who expect them to perform miracles and yet just sit on the sidelines, complaining and making excuses for not joining and getting involved may as well just join one of Bloomberg's groups and admit that they really aren't dedicated to fighting for the 2ndA.
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They are much more effective than any other pro 2ndA organization and they have done wonders with what members they do have, but any organization is only as strong as it's members make it. The NRA needs more political clout if they are to accomplish the miracles that the complainers expect and members equal votes to politicians. Those who expect them to perform miracles and yet just sit on the sidelines, complaining and making excuses for not joining and getting involved may as well just join one of Bloomberg's groups and admit that they really aren't dedicated to fighting for the 2ndA.

The NRA would have more members if it had undertaken reform YEARS AGO. It is losing members now for the same reason. There are current Life Members who will no longer donate until they see reforms getting made.

Like everything else that is going on with the NRA, the wounds are self inflicted.
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They are much more effective than any other pro 2ndA organization and they have done wonders with what members they do have, but any organization is only as strong as it's members make it. The NRA needs more political clout if they are to accomplish the miracles that the complainers expect and members equal votes to politicians. Those who expect them to perform miracles and yet just sit on the sidelines, complaining and making excuses for not joining and getting involved may as well just join one of Bloomberg's groups and admit that they really aren't dedicated to fighting for the 2ndA.
So expecting the nationís largest gun rights group to have any positive effect on gun rights is expecting miracles?
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So expecting the nationís largest gun rights group to have any positive effect on gun rights is expecting miracles?
No, expecting the nations largest gun rights group to stop or reverse all anti-gun laws in a society that supports gun control and where only 6 million of almost 90+ million gun owner join the NRA while the rest sit on the sidelines, complain, make excuses and act like parasites, is unrealistic. You are providing the perfect example of this behavior in your post.
The fact that the NRA has been as effective as it has with such a low percentage of gun owners supporting it and even less supporting other 2ndA organizations shows how effective that the organization is. Also the fact that anti-gun groups are spending millions in an attempt to recruit useful idiots to destroy the NRA shows that they fear the effectiveness of the organization and don't want it to grow.
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I realize that the NRA has done a lot of good things, and they're still in the fight and all, but it really needs an overhaul to get some support back.

I'd rather see more money spent on lawyers and court cases and maybe some voter guides and information mass mailed to voters in districts that have anti 2a bills on the ballots, instead of a monthly magazine that's 98% advertising and a bunch of yearly sweepstakes and truck giveaways.

I dont need a chinese range bag or a crappy flashlight, I'll buy my own trucks and guns, just put the money directly into the fight for our rights, this isnt the girl scouts trying to sell cookies or raffle tickets or "plates" at a dinner
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I realize that the NRA has done a lot of good things, and they're still in the fight and all, but it really needs an overhaul to get some support back.

I'd rather see more money spent on lawyers and court cases and maybe some voter guides and information mass mailed to voters in districts that have anti 2a bills on the ballots, instead of a monthly magazine that's 98% advertising and a bunch of yearly sweepstakes and truck giveaways.

I dont need a chinese range bag or a crappy flashlight, I'll buy my own trucks and guns, just put the money directly into the fight for our rights, this isnt the girl scouts trying to sell cookies or raffle tickets or "plates" at a dinner
I do get updates on proposed legislation from the NRA. If you are member you should b getting them too.

You can opt out of getting the magazine, its not required that you take it.

Did you consider that the crappy flashlights, trucks and raffles are successful methods for recruiting and for raising money?

The NRA is successful beyond anything I could imagine.

Not only to we have ALL big democrat media, newspapers, magazine's ,TV against us and popular Hollywood producers, stars and writers.

We have ALL INTERNATIONIAL law against it and nearly every school beginning in kindergarten up to and including advanced college degree's .
Add in the entire democrat party and its simply amazing we still have enough power to swing elections.
Its also a fact democrat's use forums and other public forums to push their anti gun agenda.

I suggest every member start recruiting new members at the ranges and gun stores or wherever free people are found.

As for the attacks, Its a principle of American law that one is considered innocent until proven guilty!
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No, expecting the nations largest gun rights group to stop or reverse all anti-gun laws in a society that supports gun control and where only 6 million of almost 90+ million gun owner join the NRA while the rest sit on the sidelines, complain, make excuses and act like parasites, is unrealistic. You are providing the perfect example of this behavior in your post.
The fact that the NRA has been as effective as it has with such a low percentage of gun owners supporting it and even less supporting other 2ndA organizations shows how effective that the organization is. Also the fact that anti-gun groups are spending millions in an attempt to recruit useful idiots to destroy the NRA shows that they fear the effectiveness of the organization and don't want it to grow.
Iím not asking for all. Iím asking for any. What is the last major legislation that was a product of NRA lobbying that actually passed and wasnít anti gun?
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I’m not asking for all. I’m asking for any. What is the last major legislation that was a product of NRA lobbying that actually passed and wasn’t anti gun?
What major legislation was the product of any pro-gun group lobbying that actually passed.

Once again you expect the NRA to get major legislation passed with the majority of gun owners, gun owners like you, sitting on the sidelines refusing to support them and then complaining about the results.

What the NRA has done is helped to elect Trump, a POTUS that is appointing dozens if not hundreds of pro-2nda judges to the bench. They have also been working at the state level, supporting right to carry laws.

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Once again you show the same pathetic position when it comes to an organization that supports the 2nd A. I ask you this, name one pro 2nd A organization that has done more for the 2nd A, is hated and openly attacked by not only anti-gun groups but also apathetic parasitic gun owners that would rather make excuses and be used as useful idiots than unite and support the largest pro gun organization in the country.
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NRA has become too political in my opinion, focus on guns and guns only.
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What major legislation was the product of any pro-gun group lobbying that actually passed.

Once again you expect the NRA to get major legislation passed with the majority of gun owners, gun owners like you, sitting on the sidelines refusing to support them and then complaining about the results.

What the NRA has done is helped to elect Trump, a POTUS that is appointing dozens if not hundreds of pro-2nda judges to the bench. They have also been working at the state level, supporting right to carry laws.



https://www.businessinsider.com/stat...control-2013-4

Once again you show the same pathetic position when it comes to an organization that supports the 2nd A. I ask you this, name one pro 2nd A organization that has done more for the 2nd A, is hated and openly attacked by not only anti-gun groups but also apathetic parasitic gun owners that would rather make excuses and be used as useful idiots than unite and support the largest pro gun organization in the country.
Hey now, I'm not making any claims. All I see are people claiming that the NRA has prevented catastrophe, yet they can't even give a single example. The NRA has causes substantial damage to the 2nd amendment. Damage they have been completely incapable of undoing. They are referred to as the huge gorilla in the room and lord protectors of the 2nd Amendment, but now they are ineffective because there aren't enough gun owners supporting them?
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You disagree?
With coming back to a site you've been banned from under the guise of being a new member? Yes. It makes you a chump and all your opinions invalid.
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This is my first and only account, so unless you have proof you're just witch-hunting. How about you address my actual argument. Why does the NRA consistently comment on non-gun related political issues. It's off putting to potential members, not every gun owner toes the Republican party line.
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What argument? You made an accusation without any specifics or examples, that is not an arguement.
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Nope. Nothing fishy here.....
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Imagine this troll just pops in. Impeccable timing!
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More trolls. Not shocked. You've already been ID'd suckafish, old news.
Just a casual observer. Calling a tree a tree isn't trolling. I see a lot of unsubstantiated personal attacks at other posters without properly addressing their arguments. That's a logical fallacy.
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Just a casual observer.
Right. 'Cause most "casual observers" join this firearms forum to make their first comment in an Anti-NRA thread, then proceed directly and immediately to off-topic subs and the all important topic of transexuals.

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Right. 'Cause most "casual observers" join this firearms forum to make their first comment in an Anti-NRA thread, then proceed directly and immediately to off-topic subs and the all important topic of transexuals.

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I know you know you're a putz. I'm just posting so everyone else here is aware as well.
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For a troll with no life? It's horrible. Because it means you have zero imagination, you're such a loser, you can't even troll the internet correctly. Even other loser no-life trolls are ashamed of you.
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For a troll with no life? It's horrible. Because it means you have zero imagination, you're such a loser, you can't even troll the internet correctly. Even other loser no-life trolls are ashamed of you.
I wasn't trolling, I was attempting to share a laugh with other like-minded individuals. Transsexuals are mentally unstable and it is both amusing and disturbing to me how mainstream media is shoving their agenda down the collective throats of the viewers.

And more name-calling? This and other personal attacks is what I would expect from libtards, not fellow gun owners.
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I wasn't trolling, I was attempting to share a laugh with other like-minded individuals. Transsexuals are mentally unstable and it is both amusing and disturbing to me how mainstream media is shoving their agenda down the collective throats of the viewers.

And more name-calling? This and other personal attacks is what I would expect from libtards, not fellow gun owners.
And people that join a gun forum just to aren't?
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Have you all solved the NRA problem yet?
Nope,because the NRA could do everything 100% correct and the 89 million gun owners that haven't joined along with the small percentage of malcontents that have would still find some reason to not join or complain about something.
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Nope,because the NRA could do everything 100% correct and the 89 million gun owners that haven't joined along with the small percentage of malcontents that have would still find some reason to not join or complain about something.
Or, could it possibly be that sanctimonious proselytizing on a small Internet forum will do nothing to fix the NRA's problems?!

The first step to fixing the problem, is acknowledging that it exists. Many on this forum are willfully blind to the NRA problems.
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Or, could it possibly be that sanctimonious proselytizing on a small Internet forum will do nothing to fix the NRA's problems?!

The first step to fixing the problem, is acknowledging that it exists. Many on this forum are willfully blind to the NRA problems.
Does the NRA have problems, sure it does, but why come here and post every article from Bloomberg supported sources and actively posting deceitful info and trying to destroy it instead of posting honest criticism. Pointing out some of the lies and one sided comments being spread about the NRA is not being blind to the problems that it is having. The blindness comes from those being used as Useful Idiots by Bloomberg and his anti-gun, anti NRA propagandist.
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Does the NRA have problems, sure it does, but why come here and post every article from Bloomberg supported sources and actively posting deceitful info and trying to destroy it instead of posting honest criticism. Pointing out some of the lies and one sided comments being spread about the NRA is not being blind to the problems that it is having. The blindness comes from those being used as Useful Idiots by Bloomberg and his anti-gun, anti NRA propagandist.
The NRA could be a broken down Buick on the road to gun control, completely immobile, and I would still be fine with it. As long as the NRA is making it even remotely more difficult for the anti 2A clowns, I consider my money well spent.
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