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Old 06-30-2019, 5:53 PM
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This is from Tim's facebook page. I find this pretty disgusting.
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💥And now the retribution: Because I publicly expressed concern over current NRA management’s leadership and spurious spending, I am being punished. It has come down from the Officers of the NRA, as I publicly predicted, I will not be given any committee assignments*. Oh well, I work for the members and if speaking up has a cost I will pay it. I need a strong NRA so I believe we as your elected Board should address the issues and concerns, not ignore them. Our Assocation is suffering from self inflicted mismanagement and we are losing the trust of our members. I am called a “divider” but I did not create these problems. Better yet an agent of Bloomberg. <-LOL 😂: I have been directly involved in beating Bloomberg money in political campaigns three times. Twice in one day in 2013. So let’s stop 🛑 shenanigans and get the NRA back on track for 2020.

I am not sure the members will be pleased that I have been boxed out. This Assocation still belongs to my boss, the members. I will still do what the members elected me to do, grassroots member engagement.

I am still a Board Member and I still have a vote on the Boardroom floor. I can still sit in on commitee meetings unless I am asked to leave but I am no longer welcome in the discussion.

* I had served most recently on Grassroots and Publication. I have asked for more than two committees for years.
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I am called a “divider” but I did not create these problems. Better yet an agent of Bloomberg. <-LOL 😂
We see the same kinds of ridiculous accusations lobbed at people here who want answers.

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This Assocation still belongs to my boss, the members.
This guy gets it. We don't owe our loyalty to Wayne or the Board. They owe theirs to us! The only thing that members need to be loyal to is the ideals of the Second Amendment and the RKBA, and we cannot accept mediocrity and corruption in the NRA as a necessary evil.
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good you moron ! as a board member you should have investigated and reported.

You found them guilty 1st and publicly challenged them and yeah you did base it all on Bloomberg and company.

resign and join the 3 to 7 cal gunners who also believe Bloomberg !
You will not get my vote next time around.
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I think it might be worth pointing something out.

Tom Knight was apparently elected by the membership. This means he represents the membership. The "leadership" or "controllers" of the Board of Directors have decided that (at least in the case of Mr. Knight) that the membership is wrong and that they will therefor isolate Mr. Knight and limit his participation.

As I understand it, the membership is supposed to be controlling the NRA through its BoD and at a minimum the "leadership" is distorting the will of the membership and arguably is running roughshod over it.

IOW, if we elect someone who says what they don't like they'll not listen but rather get rid of them to the extent possible.

This suggests this is "leadership" vs the membership.

If you believe in top-down ownership of an organization and a largely symbolic representation of the members then this should make one happy. In this case the BoD is there to do the will of the top brass and nothing more.

If you believe that the members should control the BoD through their election of the Board members, then this should really worry you.

I tend to prefer the representative model over the dictatorial model. The representative model is, indeed, messier.
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good you moron ! as a board member you should have investigated and reported.

You found them guilty 1st and publicly challenged them and yeah you did base it all on Bloomberg and company.

resign and join the 3 to 7 cal gunners who also believe Bloomberg !
You will not get my vote next time around.
What has Tim said that is untrue?
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In 2013 Timothy Knight stunned the political world by leading a small group of political novices in beating two of the world’s most powerful political machines in two recall elections in one day. Both the Clinton and Obama ground campaigns, funded by two billionaires, could not save the President of the Colorado Senate and a fellow Senator from being recalled. Tim has not stopped his grassroots connection with citizens across the Republic since.


In 2015 Timothy bucked the odds again and became the first non-celebrity petition-only candidate to gain a seat on the NRA Board of Directors in years. He was double nominated and reelected to a second term in 2018 and will serve the members until at least 2021. See his pledge to members. His grassroots connection with NRA members and willingness to work with others to succeed continues to be his hallmark. He is always out to earn it with members, fellow NRA directors and gun owners nation wide
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is this the letter-

https://tim-knight-3khw.squarespace.com/new-page-3
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Dumpster fire continues...
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I see nothing wrong with the above letter. Not real crazy with 308 calling people morons because he disagrees with them. Can't we have an adult discussion here anymore with out the name calling?
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I see nothing wrong with the above letter. Not real crazy with 308 calling people morons because he disagrees with them. Can't we have an adult discussion here anymore with out the name calling?
Well friend Tim Knight for purposes of self aggrandizement and no other reason choose to use FAKEBOOKto air media fed info. That is not the mark of a sincere RKBA advocate but a divisive individual intent on self promotion.

I am rightly convinced leadership needs to run the NRA. Too many members are basically illiterate, easily led and easily influenced.

Many of us little guys have bought ownership of big corporations by mean of being shareholders!
That said minority shareholders are told to shove it and get out of that company, if they disagree with the company policy! Ask Tim Cook of Apple who squandered a fortune on his little pet projects.

IIRC I voted for Tim Knight ! Regardless its time to show him the door. NRA is successful beyond anything I could imagine.

Calgunners who support Tim Knight . I suggest each one you go on facebook and begin a complaint against your boss, wife, SO ,or anyone else you need to deal with!
Oh man I just layed off for telling the truth about my crummy boss !

See how things work Friends !
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"NRA is successful beyond anything I could imagine. "

Comrade ja308?

As of today I have to give away any HIPAA protection to the state forever if I want to buy a semi auto rifle in WA. The NRA did jaCK in stopping any of that, They spent more money on Pepe Le Pew's suits than on Prop I1639.

I also cannot purchase ammo in CA, now that my main residence is in WA state.

You see, I can "imagine" more.

I am sending the NRA no more money until they knock off all the hubris.

I am not the only one.
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"NRA is successful beyond anything I could imagine. "

Comrade ja308?

As of today I have to give away any HIPAA protection to the state forever if I want to buy a semi auto rifle in WA. The NRA did jaCK in stopping any of that, They spent more money on Pepe Le Pew's suits than on Prop I1639.

I also cannot purchase ammo in CA, now that my main residence is in WA state.

You see, I can "imagine" more.

I am sending the NRA no more money until they knock off all the hubris.

I am not the only one.
Considering you have read nothing except New York Times /Bloomberg/Soros type stuff! Let me help you out as why I believe the NRA is successful beyond what I thought possible.
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The following organizations have lent monetary, grassroots or some other type of direct support to anti-gun organizations. In many instances, these organizations lent their name in support of specific campaigns to pass anti-gun legislation such as the March 1995 HCI “Campaign to Protect Sane Gun Laws.” Many of these organizations were listed as “Campaign Partners,” for having pledged to fight any efforts to repeal the Brady Act and the Clinton “assault weapons” ban. All have officially endorsed anti-gun positions.
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Now after reading every name on this list. Can anyone venture a guess as to why I believe Wayne La P and the NRA is succefull beyond belief!
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Tim Knight had the support of our RNC who provided a list of GOP voters to contact for the successful recall.

I am disappointed he didn't just wait until more info became available !
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I think it might be worth pointing something out.

Tom Knight was apparently elected by the membership. This means he represents the membership. The "leadership" or "controllers" of the Board of Directors have decided that (at least in the case of Mr. Knight) that the membership is wrong and that they will therefor isolate Mr. Knight and limit his participation.

As I understand it, the membership is supposed to be controlling the NRA through its BoD and at a minimum the "leadership" is distorting the will of the membership and arguably is running roughshod over it.

IOW, if we elect someone who says what they don't like they'll not listen but rather get rid of them to the extent possible.

This suggests this is "leadership" vs the membership.

If you believe in top-down ownership of an organization and a largely symbolic representation of the members then this should make one happy. In this case the BoD is there to do the will of the top brass and nothing more.

If you believe that the members should control the BoD through their election of the Board members, then this should really worry you.

I tend to prefer the representative model over the dictatorial model. The representative model is, indeed, messier.
WRONG. Just try running any organization of which you are a member, see how far it gets you. Membership elect a Board. A board has many voices representing the many voices of Membership and their own view. Management decision are made by the majority vote of the board.

Occasionally minority interest on a board will try to overthrow the majority interest. Actually happens a lot, usually using the exact format we see here, spreading lies and innuendo to make themselves look good and their opposition look bad and repeating them everywhere people will listen in the hope people believe the lies.

You will see in every one of these threads about the NRA.

1. The same unproven accusations regurgitated and quoted from another Anti backed source.

2. The same Mottley Crew of posters who move from thread to thread attacking the NRA and anyone who supports them.

3. The assumption that we are supposed to be so upset by some vague impropriety that we abandon our fight for the 2A or join some small ineffective NRA org instead. (You have seen this all your lives and yet you still fall for it. Current examples Christians must hate Trump because "Stormy Daniels" Gays must hate Trump because "religion"
People of Color must Hate Trump because "Racist"
Women must hate Trump because "Mysogonist"
Gun Owners must hate the NRA because "Wayne wears suits")

Stop being sheep people
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I am rightly convinced leadership needs to run the NRA. Too many members are basically illiterate, easily led and easily influenced.
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I think that this is sort of where the nub of the argument really is.

I tend to disagree but I cannot say that you are necessarily wrong as there is some merit to the position.

But if one accepts the idea that an elite should run the NRA, then the organization should clarify that this is the approach and give up the facade that it is run by an active BoD which answers to the membership.
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WRONG. Just try running any organization of which you are a member, see how far it gets you. Membership elect a Board. A board has many voices representing the many voices of Membership and their own view. Management decision are made by the majority vote of the board.

Occasionally minority interest on a board will try to overthrow the majority interest. Actually happens a lot, usually using the exact format we see here, spreading lies and innuendo to make themselves look good and their opposition look bad and repeating them everywhere people will listen in the hope people believe the lies.

You will see in every one of these threads about the NRA.

1. The same unproven accusations regurgitated and quoted from another Anti backed source.

2. The same Mottley Crew of posters who move from thread to thread attacking the NRA and anyone who supports them.

3. The assumption that we are supposed to be so upset by some vague impropriety that we abandon our fight for the 2A or join some small ineffective NRA org instead. (You have seen this all your lives and yet you still fall for it. Current examples Christians must hate Trump because "Stormy Daniels" Gays must hate Trump because "religion"
People of Color must Hate Trump because "Racist"
Women must hate Trump because "Mysogonist"
Gun Owners must hate the NRA because "Wayne wears suits")

Stop being sheep people
I'm really not entirely sure your post was entirely directed at me.

I do know that there can be interesting dynamics. I also don't think that what you quoted was all the immoderate - and I'm not sure it was wrong.

If you portray your organization as being bottom-up rather than top-down - then the choice of the membership to put a voice on your BoD really should be respected and that voice heard. I'm not saying that the voice should necessarily be considered to be authoritative or even more important than any other voice on the BoD, but it should be heard and respected.


But in any case, as I've suggested before, whatever/whoever is wrong we aren't going to fix it on this forum.
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All I see is a corrupt organization fleecing gun owners, collectors, and honest gun lovers using that love against these people. There is no question that the NRA needs to be cleaned up and people going to prison for common criminal activity that has nothing to do with gun rights. And we have some serious head cases on this site who need to get their facts straight or at least get in to the ball park to play the game. But personally I think one person involved in this thread needs to be banned from this site but that is my opinion.
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People disagreed without calling each other names. Did everyone put on their big boy pants? Well done.
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The ANTIGUN people,corporations,Trusts,Foundations,actors,actr ess's ,media giants and influence peddlers all listed in posts 14,15,16,17,18 above all approve of your message.

So you" think one person involved in this thread needs to be banned" I actually agree, that one person in this thread should be banned.
Someone who is incapable of understanding the depths to which anti gunners will go to take down NRA leadership, someone who accuses decent hard working patriots at the NRA of" fleecing"gullible, stupid,gunowners.

Yeah something needs to be cleaned up and it isn't NRA leadership.
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Wayne LaPuke is destroying the NRA. Either you recognize it or you don't.
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Wayne LaPuke is destroying the NRA. Either you recognize it or you don't.
AND AGAIN ONE TRICK PONY RETURNS
Nice 126 posts, 112 bashing the NRA and now, ta da another anti NRA post, 113 anti NRA posts out of 126. That has to be a record. But in all fairness you did disrespect President Trump in a few of those!

whoo hoo 1 trick pony !

Clever clever and mighty impressive "Wayne La Puke " tell the folks at DNC you rolled snake eyes !
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All I see is a corrupt organization fleecing gun owners, collectors, and honest gun lovers using that love against these people. There is no question that the NRA needs to be cleaned up and people going to prison for common criminal activity that has nothing to do with gun rights. And we have some serious head cases on this site who need to get their facts straight or at least get in to the ball park to play the game. But personally I think one person involved in this thread needs to be banned from this site but that is my opinion.
Here is something for you to look at.
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Have you actually read the emails and texts between Cox and Boren discussing and planning Ollie North's attempt to blackmail Wayne?

How about a simple timeline:

Oliver North gets a $1,00,000+ movie deal with Ackerman-McQueen.

Wayne/NRA sues Ackerman-McQueen for overcharging the NRA.

Oliver North attempts to blackmail Wayne in to resigning, which would effectively kill the lawsuit.

Emails and text enter as evidence in lawsuit show Chris Cox and Dan Boren not only knew of North's blackmail attempt but helped coordinate it.

Chris Cox is suspended by the NRA due to his part in the North blackmail attempt.

Several days later Chris Cox resigns.





There in lies the crux of the issue.

Three parties want to run the NRA:

Wayne La Pierre and the Board of Directors.

Akerman-McQueen, the media service that was contracted by the NRA.

Jeff Knox, Rob Pincus, Ollie North, etc.

Wayne and the BoD are pretty much the people who should be running the NRA. If the Board decides to remove Wayne or the Board changes then that changes things but unless that happens the ones that run things are the people employed or elected to do so.

Ack-McQ want to continue having access to their cash cow and to stop the lawsuit from the NRA. The easiest way to do that is through proxies attacking the NRA leaders.

Jeff Knox wants to try to 'avenge' and complete his father Neal Knox's failed attempt to take over the NRA back in the late 70's-early 80's.
Pincus is the Exec. Director of another 'Pro-2A' org that wants a cut of those yummy 2A donations.
North, well he's got a million dollar movie deal to protect so his motive is the clearest of all.

For the record I copied and pasted this post from another thread. If doing so is a violation please forgive me. The truth is too important to let people ignore! JA308
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"Yup let the people borrowing money from the ILA, charging the NRA Foundation $6million a year in rent money, spending $40k on plane charters, support Executive Gun Bans, Red Flag Laws, and kept AckMac as their partner in fleecing of the NRA for over 20 years run the NRA. If you oppose it you are ignorant of illiterate. " Ja308 "Also if I think you are immoral i would not let you own a gun."
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"Yup let the people borrowing money from the ILA, charging the NRA Foundation $6million a year in rent money, spending $40k on plane charters, support Executive Gun Bans, Red Flag Laws, and kept AckMac as their partner in fleecing of the NRA for over 20 years run the NRA. If you oppose it you are ignorant of illiterate. " Ja308 "Also if I think you are immoral i would not let you own a gun."
ONE TRICK PONY continued ...
127 total posts , 114 bashing the NRA and President Trump.
Back to DNC for more instruction.

I am no longer reading what you write .
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I support President Trump, I will never again support the NRA as long as the current scuzzbuckets are in charge.
You called President Trump names earlier. Trying to get lost credibility ?
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Tim Knight was not the only NRA BoD Member being targeted by the people in charge of the NRA for retribution.. We now know that Alan West, Esther Q. Schneider, and today Duane Liptak (Magpul) were all stripped of committee assignments. Their misdeeds, either calling for Wayne LaPierre to be removed or calling for reforms at the NRA.

Got to remind the NRA BoD who is really in charge.
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We see the same kinds of ridiculous accusations lobbed at people here who want answers.
"Agent" is indeed a ridiculous accusation. Those are just useful idiots. Agents are paid.
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