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Birth certificate??
So my FFL informed me I need to provide a birth certificate now to pick up my hand gun. This was a PPT in butte county. Anybody know more details here? I purchased in same county in February at a larger store and this was not required. I applied for a re-issue of my BC but who knows how long that will take...concerned my time for pickup will expire before I get the documents.
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If your ID has “FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY” then you need birth certificate or current passport.
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The problem now is you likely can't change their minds. What is unbelievable is they didn't tell you this before you started paperwork, giving you the option to defer or decline the transfer. Never use bonehead FFLs. Last edited by SkyHawk; 04-18-2020 at 2:23 PM.. |
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It would be nice in times like this to be a little civil. |
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Ya it was rough that he slipped this in after paperwork was finished. I guess I’ll have to do some research and find some documentation so I can argue my case with him and/or ask him to provide me with the laws he’s referencing. The FFL is reliable and has great service.
Last edited by rghouse; 04-18-2020 at 6:52 PM.. Reason: Remove FFL’s name |
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Because OP could like me have been born in another state, and now in the middle of a nationwide Covid shutdown, this FFL expects OP to come up with a birth certificate from a government agency, in less than 30 days - for a policy of his own making that has no basis in law or even DOJ procedure. Because if it does go past 30 days, now what - another $47 DROS and the seller gets to come back too? Queue the Benny Hill theme song Last edited by SkyHawk; 04-18-2020 at 6:17 PM.. |
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went in yesterday to state my case and was informed he was audited by DOJ and claims "all FFLS are going to have to follow these rules" and "Others are wrong". Meanwhile my Birth certificate will not be shipped for another month.
seems wrong... Can anyone else shed some light on this one? |
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Or, he conflated the caution regarding FLA CDLs, with older and perfectly acceptable Non FLA type. I suggest you read this thread from Dec 2019, all the relevant Laws and Regs are covered therein. Copy and Print post #3, and use it to "enlighten" the FFL. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...&highlight=FLA Quote:
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Marriage license only applies if your name on the birth certificate does not match your name on DL. This normally applies to ladies. And you would still need the birth certificate or similar. Of course you don't need any of that because your DL does not say federal limits apply.
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Do you perhaps look much younger than you really are??
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Attached is the DES (DROS Entry System) Bulletin from July '19. May help clarify. The additional documentation requirement, as stated, is only necessary If the applicant presents a California driver license or identification card with the notation “FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY” Last edited by LJ Guns; 05-02-2020 at 9:17 AM.. Reason: spelling |
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Np. Print that out and present it to your FFL, assuming he still has your firearm "in jail".
Some of our many laws/regulations are difficult to interpret. Others, like this one, are VERY simple black and white (regardless of what "they were told" or "heard somewhere"). |
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Sad to hear. Unfortunately there is no cure for stupid. You could always attempt to email DOJ, attach a copy of your license, summarize the situation, and see if you can get a reply specifically stating you are NOT required to provide the additional documentation. I realize that is a stretch. Worth a shot though. GL.
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Seriously, it's always a good idea to keep documents like your birth certificate, passport, etc., etc. organized and easily at hand. I misplaced my DD214 and it was kind of a pain to retrieve it. Lesson learned.
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So, just for the hey if I called Durham Guns & Ammo and asked what I needed to bring in the way of documentation to buy a handgun. " D/L (Real ID) Hunt Lic., HSC, Utility bill Veh. Reg." I asked if I needed a B. Cert. or Passport. Replied, "NO".
Not sure we got the whole story on this thing...
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Old regular I/D is good to go..
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Geese, maybe with all your vast knowledge you should go into business and you can educate us.
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Not knocking Calguns! It’s a great reference IF you know who is giving you the information. |
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So to be clear Tyke8319, you called Durham Guns and they informed you that it is ok to buy a firearm and release it with the old ID? I dont think you spoke with the owner then.
you need me to attach a photo of my license for ya? No federal limits. |
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I have no idea who I spoke to. Didn't ask. I asked if my original Calif Drivers License was OK. Whoever I spoke to said "yes". That's all I can tell you. maybe different people are telling different information. Perhaps you should try calling them and making an anonymous inquiry,
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