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Old 05-18-2020, 9:31 AM
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“only 1 shotgun for my lifetime”

“my only revolver”

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Sir is it possible to add ghost ring sights on the 870 Marine magnum?
I would caution against drilling into a MM. Once you have drilled through the electroless nickle (EN) plating to mount the ghost ring (or anything), you have just created an entry-point for moisture. I'm not a materials specialist, but I do know that EN cannot be spot-plated like typical nickled surfaces, so one may need to strip and replate the entire receiver afterwards if you want corrosion resistance. If corrosion resistance isn't important to begin with, then standard finish shotguns will do.

Ghost rings are cool but not really necessary for a HD shotgun normally fired within 25 yards. When you are punching a palm-sized hole in your target, precision can be learned by patterning & practice instead. (This is why I suggested professional training, who will teach you how to pattern for tactical purposes)
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On my MM with the Scattergun Tech ghost ring rear sight, the drilled and tapped holes have epoxy on the screws, and have remained tight since they were installed. No sign of rust or moisture inside the receiver. And it has been used in rain more than once, and a water immersion scenario at a club event.
My experience suggests that for me GR sights are a huge improvement past seven yards with buckshot and slugs, in shoot-house scenarios when hitting criminal w/hostage targets at close range, and low/no light shooting, both indoor and out.
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Well, then you should get a Stevens single shot because nobody needs a pump action assault shotgun to hunt deer.
Those things fire heat finding bullets as fast as you can do that chic-chic thing with your arm.
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I have a Marine Magnum, model number 25047. It is different than the one in the video, as mine has rifle sights.



There seems to be a difference of opinion as to the Marine Magnum being an 870P or just a gussied up 870 Express. I lean toward 870P, but who knows? The shotgun is of excellent build quality and very smooth action. But since I have not gotten around to shooting it yet, I can’t be of much help
Hot tip: if you are going to buy a Tactical Shotgun get one like this with the Rifle Sights.

Guns like this are for shooting Buckshot and Slugs and the sights come in handy for both. It is not a bird gun but in a pinch you could use it for that. It is a Defensive or Offensive weapon and should be viewed as that.

You should really go to a Shotgun Class at Front Sight and learn how to run the thing in an efficient and effective manner and you'd see exactly what I'm talking about.

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The 870 Express went through a garbage time where the QC and fit and finish were quite poor. I have an example filled with burrs, sharp corners, and a barrel with chatter marks. They were not always that bad, and it seems they’ve gotten over their garbage period.

My biggest complaint with the recent 870 express is the terrible finish they use. Though that can be fixed in various ways.

The 870 Express is a good value, but I wouldn’t make it my one and only shotgun.
Thanks for the kind respone sir, definitely going for the 870 Marine Magnum
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“only 1 shotgun for my lifetime”

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Remarkable discipline Sir!!!
Working on a very tight budget Sir. When I was in Basic 2002 Ft Jackson SC I qualified sharpshooter in BRM with the M16 with zero experience in firearns. Im Frustrated that i never had the chance to hone those skills after that. Now that im in my forties, even with limited time and budget I want to be as good as possible with these limited firearms that I have.
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I would caution against drilling into a MM. Once you have drilled through the electroless nickle (EN) plating to mount the ghost ring (or anything), you have just created an entry-point for moisture. I'm not a materials specialist, but I do know that EN cannot be spot-plated like typical nickled surfaces, so one may need to strip and replate the entire receiver afterwards if you want corrosion resistance. If corrosion resistance isn't important to begin with, then standard finish shotguns will do.

Ghost rings are cool but not really necessary for a HD shotgun normally fired within 25 yards. When you are punching a palm-sized hole in your target, precision can be learned by patterning & practice instead. (This is why I suggested professional training, who will teach you how to pattern for tactical purposes)
Thanks for the tip Sir, I will just keep it the way it is then.
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Well, then you should get a Stevens single shot because nobody needs a pump action assault shotgun to hunt deer.
I have no interest in hunting sir. I just want to be a good marksman.
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Hot tip: if you are going to buy a Tactical Shotgun get one like this with the Rifle Sights.

Guns like this are for shooting Buckshot and Slugs and the sights come in handy for both. It is not a bird gun but in a pinch you could use it for that. It is a Defensive or Offensive weapon and should be viewed as that.

You should really go to a Shotgun Class at Front Sight and learn how to run the thing in an efficient and effective manner and you'd see exactly what I'm talking about.

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If time and budget permits I would love to go to a formal training Sir.
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A Wingmaster will likely come with a longer barrel and removable chokes (or perhaps a fixed choke). You can buy the 18.5 inch barrel for $120.00 or so brand new.

So, a used Wingmaster in good condition can be had for less than $600 dollars and a new 18.5 inch barrel will be < $200 dollars. All in you have a nice shotgun with two barrels for your budgeted price.
If Sportsmans Supply in Campbell have a good condition Wingmaster or maybe new, i might take it for a consideration.
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Then you should never buy another gun, period. In fact you should sell every gun you currently have. Because the Left wants to ban ALL of them and won't stop until they have. Oh sure, they'll go after everything semi-auto first. But if they ever succeed at that, there damn sure won't be anything stopping them from going after the rest. Moreover, not buying something because you're afraid the Left might ban it some day, means they've already won. At least with you.
Id like to apologize for my paranoia. I do like all firearms infact it pains me that i dont have an AR15 like everybody has.
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A Wingmaster will likely come with a longer barrel and removable chokes (or perhaps a fixed choke). You can buy the 18.5 inch barrel for $120.00 or so brand new.

So, a used Wingmaster in good condition can be had for less than $600 dollars and a new 18.5 inch barrel will be < $200 dollars. All in you have a nice shotgun with two barrels for your budgeted price.
I checked Gun Genie Davidsons Gallery and New Wingmasters are still being made. I dont mind paying full price. Im going to get a shorter barrel on top of a new Wingmaster if its more durable than a Marine Magnum. Is it more durable than a Marine Magnum though?
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I checked Gun Genie Davidsons Gallery and New Wingmasters are still being made. I dont mind paying full price. Im going to get a shorter barrel on top of a new Wingmaster if its more durable than a Marine Magnum. Is it more durable than a Marine Magnum though?
Neither is more durable, unless you're specifically talking about rust resistance.

The Wingmaster has a nicely blued finish and nice wood furniture. It comes with a 5 shot magazine and a plug you can install to limit the magazine to 3 rounds (necessary for hunting). It has a 3 inch chamber for shooting 2-3/4 inch as well as 3 inch shells. MSRP is around $900.00 dollars, which is a lot for a pump gun; but it's a heck of a pump gun and very nice looking. The fit and finish is likely to be high quality and the action will be smooth (or will work into smooth in short order). The long barrel of modern Wingmasters comes with a vent rib and removable chokes.

The Marine Magnum is a purpose built defense shotgun for maritime use. It comes with a 2 shot magazine extension, a plain 18.5 inch barrel (with no vent rib), a fixed cylinder choke, and a simple bead. The stock is plastic (to resist rot) and the entirety of the gun is plated in nickel (to better resist corrosion). It has a 3 inch chamber to accommodate 2-3/4 inch as well as 3 inch shells. The MSRP is right around $900.00, so similar to the Wingmaster.

A lot of people here have guns nearly identical to the Marine Magnum sans the nickel plating. They doll them up with side saddles, flashlights, different sights, etc. Then they sit and collect dust because they aren't fun to shoot clays with, they aren't fun to shoot at the static range, fully loaded they are heavy to carry. While you can put a longer barrel on them to take it hunting you will also have to reconfigure the magazine to take off the extension and plug it to 3 rounds.

I won't try to dissuade you from buying the Marine Magnum. Since you aren't interested in hunting that's not a consideration for you anyway. But I would say think of this: it's easy to slip a butt cuff ammo carrier and a short barrel onto a 5 shot Wingmaster. It's more difficult to remove a side saddle, barrel extensions, and swap out the barrel on the Marine Magnum. How often will you be doing something fun with the shotgun that would benefit from being in its 5 shot trim with a long barrel vs. how often do you think you'll firing more than 5 rounds at bad guys?

That being said, the Marine Magnum is a groovy looking shotgun. For myself, if I were looking for a new pump gun in the $900.00 price range, I'd pick up a new Ithaca 37 Featherlight. https://ithacagun.com/product/model-37-featherlight. Sure a 28 inch vent rib barrel isn't super tactical, but I shoot more clays and ducks than I shoot bad guys.
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You can get used pre-Freedom Group Wingmasters on Gunbroker for $400. Then gradually find whichever components you want for various configurations.
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Neither is more durable, unless you're specifically talking about rust resistance.

The Wingmaster has a nicely blued finish and nice wood furniture. It comes with a 5 shot magazine and a plug you can install to limit the magazine to 3 rounds (necessary for hunting). It has a 3 inch chamber for shooting 2-3/4 inch as well as 3 inch shells. MSRP is around $900.00 dollars, which is a lot for a pump gun; but it's a heck of a pump gun and very nice looking. The fit and finish is likely to be high quality and the action will be smooth (or will work into smooth in short order). The long barrel of modern Wingmasters comes with a vent rib and removable chokes.

The Marine Magnum is a purpose built defense shotgun for maritime use. It comes with a 2 shot magazine extension, a plain 18.5 inch barrel (with no vent rib), a fixed cylinder choke, and a simple bead. The stock is plastic (to resist rot) and the entirety of the gun is plated in nickel (to better resist corrosion). It has a 3 inch chamber to accommodate 2-3/4 inch as well as 3 inch shells. The MSRP is right around $900.00, so similar to the Wingmaster.

A lot of people here have guns nearly identical to the Marine Magnum sans the nickel plating. They doll them up with side saddles, flashlights, different sights, etc. Then they sit and collect dust because they aren't fun to shoot clays with, they aren't fun to shoot at the static range, fully loaded they are heavy to carry. While you can put a longer barrel on them to take it hunting you will also have to reconfigure the magazine to take off the extension and plug it to 3 rounds.

I won't try to dissuade you from buying the Marine Magnum. Since you aren't interested in hunting that's not a consideration for you anyway. But I would say think of this: it's easy to slip a butt cuff ammo carrier and a short barrel onto a 5 shot Wingmaster. It's more difficult to remove a side saddle, barrel extensions, and swap out the barrel on the Marine Magnum. How often will you be doing something fun with the shotgun that would benefit from being in its 5 shot trim with a long barrel vs. how often do you think you'll firing more than 5 rounds at bad guys?

That being said, the Marine Magnum is a groovy looking shotgun. For myself, if I were looking for a new pump gun in the $900.00 price range, I'd pick up a new Ithaca 37 Featherlight. https://ithacagun.com/product/model-37-featherlight. Sure a 28 inch vent rib barrel isn't super tactical, but I shoot more clays and ducks than I shoot bad guys.
Napalm Sir, I am starting to really like the Wingmaster. I have to see them in person to fully make my decision. You make a great point. Sportsmans Supply is going to be open for Curbside starting May 22nd I believe, I emailed them and asked if either shotguns are available (Marine Magnum and Wingmaster). I have loyalty to their store, it might just end up whichever of those two are available from them, but if they have both I will compare side by side. Thanks for your kindness Sir!!
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You can get used pre-Freedom Group Wingmasters on Gunbroker for $400. Then gradually find whichever components you want for various configurations.
Im not really handy sir i.e. modding etc.., and I prefer brand new I like to have the manufacturers warranty.
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Basic changes to 870s don't really require any skill, things like changing a magazine follower or swapping your safety button for an oversized version. It's the same sort of assembly and disassembly you'll need to be familiar with for cleaning anyways. A decent set of screwdrivers and punches and you'll be fine.

As for older wingmasters, I personally feel like the finish is clearly a bit better than a new express, but otherwise as someone who owns both I don't see a huge difference in quality of machining. If buying new makes you feel better, go for it. I'll probably be listing my 1983 manufacture police issue wingmaster later this week though if you change your mind.
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OP, I refrained from making suggestion earlier, you being enamored of the Marine Magnum early on.

Now, after reading some of the advises, you seem to be more flexible. So, here is mine. You said you want new because of the warranty.

Get the new Wingmaster! I know several respectable posters are telling you to get a used one based on " nicer finish ". You have the money, then go for new. The satisfaction and enjoyment of getting new is nothing to trivialize, right?

With a used Wingmaster, you just don't know what the previous owner/owners did to it or how they used it. You may also need to upgrade or change the extractor, some springs, inspect the innards and see what is up to par or not. Then...……….there is the fact that after spending your money in buying it, it is still used.

Keep in mind too, on most USED shotguns in the internet, on Gunbroker.com, etc. there is always the caveat " Take As Is ", " No Exchange ". When I see that, I say to myself, " Screw that, I am buying NEW ".

Get a NEW Wingmaster, and be done with it. It is a very desirable shotgun, much more so than a Marine Magnum. You have the money, don't waste it by buying used. Buy NEW, damn it

You won't be shooting bad guys constantly or battle them to death, are you? The extra rounds don't mean squat in the real world, let the police handle the bad guys, its their job.

The balance, satisfaction, pride of owning a brand new unmolested Wingmaster can't be compared. Down the road, if you don't think you want to keep it...…sell it to me for a fair price!!!

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Sportsmans Supply is going to be open for Curbside starting May 22nd I believe, I emailed them and asked if either shotguns are available (Marine Magnum and Wingmaster).
Indeed good to see a lgs open, even in the curbside mode. I just emailed them about a custom order I want. I could get it from Buds or any number of other on-line retailers and just do the FFL local but I want to support the local guys they have been shuttered for over 2 months now.

Also if you are maybe going back and forth between hunting/trap and home defense look at the combo https://www.remington.com/shotguns/p...eld-home-combo

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Indeed good to see a lgs open, even in the curbside mode. I just emailed them about a custom order I want. I could get it from Buds or any number of other on-line retailers and just do the FFL local but I want to support the local guys they have been shuttered for over 2 months now.

Also if you are maybe going back and forth between hunting/trap and home defense look at the combo https://www.remington.com/shotguns/p...eld-home-combo
Mark, im not sure how it works. So if the gun i want to get is not available at Sportsmans Supply then i request for them to order it for me, does that mean that they dont profit from it? I want to support them fully as they are my favorite. Sorry im not familiar with having them order stuff for me. I usually buy direct from them.
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OP, I refrained from making suggestion earlier, you being enamored of the Marine Magnum early on.

Now, after reading some of the advises, you seem to be more flexible. So, here is mine. You said you want new because of the warranty.

Get the new Wingmaster! I know several respectable posters are telling you to get a used one based on " nicer finish ". You have the money, then go for new. The satisfaction and enjoyment of getting new is nothing to trivialize, right?

With a used Wingmaster, you just don't know what the previous owner/owners did to it or how they used it. You may also need to upgrade or change the extractor, some springs, inspect the innards and see what is up to par or not. Then...……….there is the fact that after spending your money in buying it, it is still used.

Keep in mind too, on most USED shotguns in the internet, on Gunbroker.com, etc. there is always the caveat " Take As Is ", " No Exchange ". When I see that, I say to myself, " Screw that, I am buying NEW ".

Get a NEW Wingmaster, and be done with it. It is a very desirable shotgun, much more so than a Marine Magnum. You have the money, don't waste it by buying used. Buy NEW, damn it

You won't be shooting bad guys constantly or battle them to death, are you? The extra rounds don't mean squat in the real world, let the police handle the bad guys, its their job.

The balance, satisfaction, pride of owning a brand new unmolested Wingmaster can't be compared. Down the road, if you don't think you want to keep it...…sell it to me for a fair price!!!

Good luck.
Im open to suggestions Sir, as long as its brand new, has warranty, <$900 and is built like a Tank, lol.
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Mark, im not sure how it works. So if the gun i want to get is not available at Sportsmans Supply then i request for them to order it for me, does that mean that they dont profit from it? I want to support them fully as they are my favorite. Sorry im not familiar with having them order stuff for me. I usually buy direct from them.
If they don't have something in stock that you want (my usual as I chase some less popular guns/calibers) they can order it from one of their distributors usually. It works the same as if they had it in stock, as long as it's at their distributor adds about a week to get it to them before the sale starts. They still get a full sale vs you buying it at say Buds and then just doing the FFL transfer at the shop.
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Purchased the 870 marine police from tombstone in Arizona. Read that the 870 tend to rust. The marine eliminates that issue. Very nice shotgun
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If they don't have something in stock that you want (my usual as I chase some less popular guns/calibers) they can order it from one of their distributors usually. It works the same as if they had it in stock, as long as it's at their distributor adds about a week to get it to them before the sale starts. They still get a full sale vs you buying it at say Buds and then just doing the FFL transfer at the shop.
Thanks Sir, I will make sure its from them or their distributor. Its basically a toss up between the Wingmaster and Marine Magnum whichever they have or the distributor have. Thanks again!
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Purchased the 870 marine police from tombstone in Arizona. Read that the 870 tend to rust. The marine eliminates that issue. Very nice shotgun
Thanks for the input Sir!! I do love how it looks and conformation from owners like you on how durable rhis Shotgun is makes me excited")
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Not yet Sir, pump action so far. I saw a vid of the 930 JM Pro and I was impressed!
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Not yet Sir, pump action so far. I saw a vid of the 930 JM Pro and I was impressed!
I kinda liked them also then read about all the reliabilty issuses,so its a no go right now with them
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I kinda liked them also then read about all the reliabilty issuses,so its a no go right now with them
They are also way too expensive for my budget. Every now and then I would glance at the Remington Tactical side, but i always drawn by the simplicity and strength of the Marine Magnum and Wingmaster.
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I'd like to interject something here, because you are surely in a dither on this purchase.

How about looking at a Mossberg 500 or 590A1 ? They are way less than the 870's and IMHO are a much better gun.

I have two of them and I don't seem to have any problems with rust. But I do take care of my stuff, so that may be why.

If you are going to throw the gun in your boat and leave it there then rust might happen. But buying a gun just because it won't rust, thinking you don't have to take care of it,,, is stupid! All guns require attention from time to time.

Any gun shop can order anything you want that is legal to have in this state and every one is going to get a Dealer Discount and then mark it up for their profit. The level of that discount is in relation to the number of guns they sell.

Remington's have operational issues inherent to the design. They are harder to port load due to a thingy on the cartridge lifter that gets in the way. Ejection Port loading is a fact of life with Pump Shotguns so anything you can do to enhance it is a good thing.

You should learn more about these guns before you buy one. Just cuz it's nickle plated doesn't mean its the end all.

Also any Tactical Shotgun you get needs to have Rifle Sights on it.

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I'd like to interject something here, because you are surely in a dither on this purchase.

How about looking at a Mossberg 500 or 590A1 ? They are way less than the 870's and IMHO are a much better gun.

I have two of them and I don't seem to have any problems with rust. But I do take care of my stuff, so that may be why.

If you are going to throw the gun in your boat and leave it there then rust might happen. But buying a gun just because it won't rust, thinking you don't have to take care of it,,, is stupid! All guns require attention from time to time.

Any gun shop can order anything you want that is legal to have in this state and every one is going to get a Dealer Discount and then mark it up for their profit. The level of that discount is in relation to the number of guns they sell.

Remington's have operational issues inherent to the design. They are harder to port load due to a thingy on the cartridge lifter that gets in the way. Ejection Port loading is a fact of life with Pump Shotguns so anything you can do to enhance it is a good thing.

You should learn more about these guns before you buy one. Just cuz it's nickle plated doesn't mean its the end all.

Also any Tactical Shotgun you get needs to have Rifle Sights on it.

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I completely agree Randy!! I am looking at a 590A1 right now at gun genie. The only problem I have is the Vline safe that I have is 42 inch tall only and the 590A1 might not fit. But looking at it and watching vids on it I am sold.
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Mossberg models 51773 or 51665 are both good choices that require nothing to be ready for a class other than a sling. MSRP is around your price point but I'm sure you can find one for less by just shopping around.

Model 51663 is the plain Jane version of the gun around $730 MSRP

Regular 590's which have Aluminum Receivers and Plastic Trigger Guards neither one of which matters in the slightest, are around $500

Go here and check out what they are currently offering. https://www.mossberg.com/firearms/sh...tion-shotguns/

All are under 42" long.

Here's pics of my M500's with Magpul Furniture and select mods. I have less than $400 in either one.

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Mossberg models 51773 or 51665 are both good choices that require nothing to be ready for a class other than a sling. MSRP is around your price point but I'm sure you can find one for less by just shopping around.

Model 51663 is the plain Jane version of the gun around $730 MSRP

Regular 590's which have Aluminum Receivers and Plastic Trigger Guards neither one of which matters in the slightest, are around $500

Go here and check out what they are currently offering. https://www.mossberg.com/firearms/sh...tion-shotguns/

All are under 42" long.

Here's pics of my M500's with Magpul Furniture and select mods. I have less than $400 in either one.

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I like em both Randy. I will see if Sportsmans Supply have em or maybe I will have em order from their distributor. Can I swap out a longer barrel in it though from time to time? Because I do like the suggestion from a fellow Calgunner of doing clay pigeons shooting as a training. I have always wanted to train shooting a moving target/or while moving. But i dont know any gun range here in San Jose that will allow that with handguns. The last time I did dynamic shooting drills was in basic training.
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I have a 24" Rifled barrel for the Gray HD Gun as it has a standard length magazine. They are totally interchangeable. This is easier on the M500's as there are lots of barrels on Ebay for these guns. I could get a 28" barrel with screw in chokes and shoot Clays or Birds with that gun, however I have much nicer guns for that purpose so these are relegated to HD and 3 gun use.

The Black Gun originally had the 18" barrel and mag tube that is shown on the Gray Gun. I got a 20" barrel with Rifle Sights for the Black Gun a long time ago and it came with the longer mag tube. The barrels are totally interchangeable as long as you have the correct Mag Tube. The Gray Gun now has an 18.5" barrel with Rifle Sights and both guns have "Vang Comped Barrels," which enhances patterns and accuracy.



The Mossberg 500 series of guns has about the widest range of possible uses for a shotgun out there with the only exception being the Rem 870 series.

Both guns compete directly with each other and are offered in various configurations to suit a variety of uses. I personally like the M500's better due to some minor fine points I like better on that gun.

They are,,, the Size of the Ejection Port, which makes Port Loading easier, The position of the Slide Release behind the trigger guard that can be operated by your middle finger at any time without repositioning your hand, the position of the Safety on the rear of the Receiver, which makes it totally ambidextrous, and the fact the M500 Lifter doesn't have a fence on it which can get in the way when port loading.

That fence is there to prevent rounds from falling out of the gun when you are laying on your right side and racking the slide. A Mossberg can dump the shell on the lifter out the side when laying on your right side and racking the slide slowly, If you do it slow the round falls out every time. You should never rack the slide on a Tactical Gun slowly. It needs to happen fast and as soon as the Hammer Falls. If you rack the slide fast it works right every time.

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This thread has given me the itch to get another Remington 870. I sold my Express last year, and I miss it. Maybe next time that I buy, it will be a more " upscale " model than the " mere " Express.
Grab a vintage 870 police magnum. Fit and finish will be far superior to any 870 you can buy today.
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To be fair his express was in absolute mint condition, and still looks beautiful today. Although it is sporting a new stock. Will shortly be giving it to a good friend, but it's been quite nice.
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Get the 870.
Find a used wingmaster or Police.
Even a cheapo express has a smoother action and its a noticeable difference compared to the mossys.
Also lots more options for barrels, magazine tubes and other aftermarket stuff.
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So just an update, instead i ordered the Mossberg 930 Tactical SPX 8 shot semi auto shotgun from Sportsmans Supply today, did some soul searching over the weekend. Since this will be my final firearm purchase I want something that is going to be faster than a pump action shotgun yet offers the same firepower. I know it breaks my no semi auto rule(which I admit is plane stupid on my part).
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