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Old 07-25-2019, 9:40 PM
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What would be more fun than having every CA gun owner sending in to DOJ a report of non ownership of their registered firearms? Just curious
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Yes I know it’s still on record but??? Time is money and it’s a fly in their ointment AND it’s not illegal to own an unregistered firearm in this state

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Yes I know it’s still on record but??? Time is money and it’s a fly in their ointment AND it’s not illegal to own an unregistered firearm in this state
Sorry, but would be an exercise in futility. Overpaid-Underworked-PubSec Union employees-care less about TaxPayers money.

Would only serve to guarantee already locked in "Job Security" for Union Drones.

DOJ would just suck more taxes out of DROS fund to cover extra work load.
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Great way to get your door busted in at 4am.
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I don't really understand your question.
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While we're at it, I'll unregister my car and cut the tags off my mattress.
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Old 07-26-2019, 9:42 AM
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Maybe the question would be "what did our forefathers do in 1776 when the British took guns,food, and homes to support their troops." Is california any different so far and are we going down the same path again. And i am not looking to start a major debate but just think about it? Which side are you on?
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That would be 'fealty'.
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Civil disobedience is what it says.
I dunno, a signed confession to a felony strikes me as a bit unwise -
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Going out and shooting your guns.
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The thing to do is send in phony non-ownership reports, with fictitious names and fictitious weapon information. Maybe target 15 million forms. Let DOJ run around for a year trying to reconcile, and then get a newspaper to report the wasted effort and incompetence.
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LOL good luck with getting >1 person here to commit to real civil disobedience.

Not going to happen. We all have too much to lose to put anything on the line. All cowards (yes, including myself).
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LOL good luck with getting >1 person here to commit to real civil disobedience.

Not going to happen. We all have too much to lose to put anything on the line. All cowards (yes, including myself).
I guess it's a very fine line between cowardice and common sense, if someone is sending a written confession to perjury to the very agency that can and will prosecute that charge.
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The next question is: what is the end goal, and how does this action help you along a given path?

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LOL good luck with getting >1 person here to commit to real civil disobedience.

Not going to happen. We all have too much to lose to put anything on the line. All cowards (yes, including myself).
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That isn't civil disobedience. Real civil disobedience is doing it publicly, with the intent to get (or understanding that you might be) arrested, followed by a PR campaign covering a large number of people *all getting arrested*.
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Please tell us what we should be doing. Sounds like you have all of the answers. I’m sure you are willing to publicly provide your name and address, and openly tell everyone which laws you are willing to ignore in the name of “civil disobedience.” Please show us what a hero you are.
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The 2A community that I love is so insular, segmented, and isolationist, that the constitutionally protected (state) act of Open Carry feels as rebellious as dumping the King's tea into the water. Not only does it invite the ire of the grabbers, but the cannibalistic eye-rolls of CCW purists.

As far as us sending a bunch of PNO responses to the DMV, or skipping jury duty, or whatever the hell this thread was originally about.....GFYS.



Edit: not referring to CA

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Please tell us what we should be doing. Sounds like you have all of the answers. I’m sure you are willing to publicly provide your name and address, and openly tell everyone which laws you are willing to ignore in the name of “civil disobedience.” Please show us what a hero you are.
Donate time and money to Republican politicians running winnable races in other states.

Contrary to the narrative pushed by urban dwelling "journalists", support for firearm ownership and use is growing in most of the country. We've gone from 1994 with 12 no-issue CCW states, 17 may issue, 20 shall issue, and 1 with no permit required to 2019 with 8 may issue, 26 shall issue, and 16 with unrestricted ccw.

We can drag backwards places like California kicking and screaming into this century on the civil right to self protection just like the South was brought into line when it refused to treat black Americans like people.

We must do that before urbanization corrupts too many states like California with its tyrannical brainwashed majority in the San Francisco Bay and Los Angeles metropolitan areas.

President Donald Trump or Ivanka Trump plus a Republican Senate can replace Justice Ginsburg with a Constitutional Originalist selected for youth and ideological purity to yield a 6-3 Supreme Court majority which endures for decades.

Although Californians' votes don't count, exercising our right to free speech in the rest of the country does.

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Donate time and money to Republican politicians running winnable races in other states.

Contrary to the narrative pushed by urban dwelling "journalists", support for firearms ownership and use is growing in most of the country. We've gone from 1994 with 12 no-issue CCW states, 17 may issue, 20 shall issue, and 1 with no permit required to 2019 with 8 may issue, 26 shall issue, and 16 with unrestricted ccw.

We can drag backwards places like California kicking and screaming into this century on the civil right of self protection just like the South was brought into line when it refused to recognize black Americans' rights.

We just need to do that before urbanization corrupts too many states like California with its tyrannical brainwashed majority in the San Francisco Bay and Los Angeles metropolitan areas.

President Donald Trump or Ivanka Trump and a Republican Senate can replace Justice Ginsburg with a Constitutional Originalist selected for youth and ideological purity to yield a 6-3 Supreme Court majority.

Although our votes don't count in California ballot boxes, exercising our right to free speech in the rest of the country does.
Yes this is a great strategy and I believe 1 million or more people giving between 1 and 10 dollars can be the difference in retaking the house and even keeping good state legislators who are being targeted by wealthy democrats, intent on changing America into a miserable, globalist, socialist, hellhole!

It is is a good idea to defend and encourage others to join the GOP and try to overcome the stigma induced by democrat media. President Trump has helped us by exposing the very evil "squad" consisting of 4 America hating democrats.

Freedom loving Americans still have a large voice on talk radio! Rush alone has between 18 and 20 million listeners a day. Every ANTIGUN/ ANTI American media entity, Hollywood star and business must be eliminated from our lives. We cannot give those people 1 penny or 1 second to push their destructive, genocidal agenda . Do the reasearch beginning with the NRA list and add others after you verify they are part of taking away your freedom.

Exposing fake news through humor is fun and effective too.
For example it was fake news, when AOC was on the PRICE IS RIGHT. She answered FREE" for every question on what something cost.
or probably not fake news that the big, ANTIGUN , DEMOCRAT MEDIA media would cover for AOC when she got her head stuck.
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Great way to get your door busted in at 4am.
Seriously. The storm troopers would have the local media on hand for it, too. Just imagine how much safer John Q Public would feel then.
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Seriously. The storm troopers would have the local media on hand for it, too. Just imagine how much safer John Q Public would feel then.
Yup just like the WACO Texas raid ! The big democrat media absolutely loved watching that place and people burn to death !
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Me - don't feel like going to prison;

Elites likes Hillary and Comey clearly don't have an issue with it.

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Sadly I can't imagine an act of civil disobedience that would matter to the CA elite progressives in charge of Sacramento.
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You have to make it personal.
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Hundreds of people demanding arrest would work.
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If only those so adamant in pursuing the made up right to abortion were so energetic in their support of the specifically enumerated RKBA many issues would melt away.
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until the elitists are physically threatened they could care less what the masses do because the elite control the police and have armed security guards and barricaded compounds. Check it out. Try to walk up to pelosi's homes like you would any average citizen's home. Check out her purse. she carrys a gun and is exempt from all california gun laws.
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and is exempt from all california gun laws.
What evidence do you have for 'she carries a gun', please?

As to 'exempt', well, of course - laws are for little people.
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What evidence do you have for 'she carries a gun', please?

As to 'exempt', well, of course - laws are for little people.
I had read she was one of a very small number of ccw permits issued by sfpd. Whether or not she actually carries, she has the ability to do what many in SF cannot.
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I had read she was one of a very small number of ccw permits issued by sfpd. Whether or not she actually carries, she has the ability to do what many in SF cannot.
It's possible - but seems unlikely, without further verification. The same situation has been attributed to DiFi, who at least has asserted she no longer carries.

Of course, neither SanFranNan nor DiFi would be concerned about the inconsistency between what they advocate and what they might personally do.
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i do not know if she carries today but the rules we live under do not apply to her or other politicians. The point here is the different rules based on your social standing. I should have phrased by statement differently but the point is still the same. why should the average citizen be denied the same rights she has? Read the laws please.
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