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Old 07-06-2019, 9:40 AM
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As of this week, I will no longer do any business with anyone in Ca unless it is absolutely necessary.
I will still buy fuel, food, etc. basic needs.
Anything and everything else I will purchase out of state. Nevada is two hours away.
My wife and I have planned to buy a new vehicle.
We are waiting until we get ready to move to Idaho. At that time we will purchase the vehicle in Idaho.
My purpose, not give komifornia any more of my money than needed.
I strongly suggest everyone else follow this line of thinking.
There are work arounds. The internet, driving over to the next state exc.
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Old 07-06-2019, 10:09 AM
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Hmm. I might have to consider this strategy myself. Why feed the beast?
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Hmm. I might have to consider this strategy myself. Why feed the beast?
I purchase pretty much everything I can out-of-state and on the internet but, since Gov. Newscum signed the bill to tax all internet companies making over 500K per year to collect taxes , the extreme left still gets some of my money...
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Kudos to you! There is something obviously wrong with how CA government is running this state!

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Welfare in California

34%

Of the nation’s welfare recipients live in California but only

12%


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How we compare

California is third among states in per-capita spending on welfare:

$179

New York leads the nation:

$256

Idaho is at the bottom:

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https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...htmlstory.html its from 2012, but you get the idea
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Old 07-07-2019, 8:43 AM
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Kudos to you! There is something obviously wrong with how CA government is running this state!

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Welfare in California

34%

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of the U.S. population resides here.

How we compare

California is third among states in per-capita spending on welfare:

$179

New York leads the nation:

$256

Idaho is at the bottom:

$17
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...htmlstory.html its from 2012, but you get the idea
Well according to voters the state is being run just how they like it.
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its from 2012, but you get the idea
Here's a more updated analysis

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California—not Mississippi, New Mexico, or West Virginia—has the highest poverty rate in the United States. According to the Census Bureau’s Supplemental Poverty Measure—which accounts for the cost of housing, food, utilities, and clothing, and which includes noncash government assistance as a form of income—nearly one out of four Californians is poor. Given robust job growth in the state and the prosperity generated by several industries, especially the supercharged tech sector, the question arises as to why California has so many poor people, especially when the state’s per-capita GDP increased roughly twice as much as the U.S. average over the five years ending in 2016 (12.5 percent, compared with 6.27 percent).
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I don't think your going to have any effect until you move out.
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I don't think your going to have any effect until you move out.
CA benefits tremendously every time someone moves out of state because they get a property tax windfall. They really appreciate your contribution to their cause.
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CA benefits tremendously every time someone moves out of state because they get a property tax windfall. They really appreciate your contribution to their cause.

That only matters if you have a home to sell. If you rent.... it’s a non factor. Even if you do sell to move out of state it’s a means to an end because your tax liability in CA is at its end once you file your taxes for the last time in CA.
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CA benefits tremendously every time someone moves out of state because they get a property tax windfall. They really appreciate your contribution to their cause.
Not always. I'm on my way out, but keeping ownership of a pair of Prop 13 grandfathered (1962 & 1930's) very nice residences that will generate nearly 100% positive cash flow that Kalisuck will not get. The taxes on those properties are about one-eleventh per year compared to the neighboring properties, so there is no need for me to sell and give the organ washers any increased revenue.
Sometimes even the smallest gestures towards the "middle finger to the man" bring a bit of comfort. I encourage everyone to do what they can.
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Not always. I'm on my way out, but keeping ownership of a pair of Prop 13 grandfathered (1962 & 1930's) very nice residences that will generate nearly 100% positive cash flow that Kalisuck will not get. The taxes on those properties are about one-eleventh per year compared to the neighboring properties, so there is no need for me to sell and give the organ washers any increased revenue.
Sometimes even the smallest gestures towards the "middle finger to the man" bring a bit of comfort. I encourage everyone to do what they can.
I love it!!!! It's a great plan, until the Legislature passes a law that rental properties are excluded from Prop. 13 protection.

The Dims will first remove "Big" corporations from Prop. 13, those whose sales are 10 billion dollars.
Then "Big" corporations will be considered and one that have sales of $1 billion.
Then $100,000,000 dollars.
Then "Big" corporate apartment complexes, over 10,000 total units.
Then 1,000 total units.
Then any location with more than 100 units.
then 10 units.

They will target you eventually. You better have a plan to sell a long time before then get to your level. They will come after your money eventually.

The Dims continually have to find a way to feed the constantly growing spending beast.
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I love it!!!! It's a great plan, until the Legislature passes a law that rental properties are excluded from Prop. 13 protection.

The Dims will first remove "Big" corporations from Prop. 13, those whose sales are 10 billion dollars.
Then "Big" corporations will be considered and one that have sales of $1 billion.
Then $100,000,000 dollars.
Then "Big" corporate apartment complexes, over 10,000 total units.
Then 1,000 total units.
Then any location with more than 100 units.
then 10 units.

They will target you eventually. You better have a plan to sell a long time before then get to your level. They will come after your money eventually.

The Dims continually have to find a way to feed the constantly growing spending beast.

I agree that this is likely to happen. I'm just hoping that people wake up or the system crashes and reboots before gets there. I see State bankruptcy as a likely outcome if people don't change the type of politicians we have now. It is impossible to take 110% of the population's wealth. So unless the State starts printing its own money it goes bankrupt.
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Old 07-13-2019, 12:26 PM
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CA benefits tremendously every time someone moves out of state because they get a property tax windfall. They really appreciate your contribution to their cause.
And I'll be more than happy to sell my home to some sucker who wants to live here and pay all those taxes that will always go up. I will laugh all the way to the bank and to my new home out of state paid in full for what I can get my house for here.

Screw this state and Socialists who move here and ruined this state. Staying here longer than necessary is a waste of time.


Freedom is across the state border not here any longer. You can stay here and watch what freedom you have left if any and pay more in taxes than you would in another state.
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Because you dont have the balls to actually participate in real civil disobedience. LOL
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Because you dont have the balls to actually participate in real civil disobedience. LOL

I believe that is a team sport
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I believe that is a team sport
So are boycotts, except those that participate in them do not take on any personal risk whatsoever.
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Because you dont have the balls to actually participate in real civil disobedience. LOL
In Gene Sharp's book "From Dictatorship to Democracy," a handbook for regime change, there are dozens of different time-test strategies and tactics required for a successful revolution.

There are many categories, from active to passive resistance and economic to cultural to symbolic resistance (such as the student standing in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square).

Thing is, in order to succeed, nearly every one of these tactics and strategies has to be employed. There is no one-hit-kill tactic that works all by itself, and making fun of people who choose one tactic or strategy over another is self-defeating.

This is indeed a team sport, but we must use ALL the tactics, from those that involve high personal risk to those that don't.
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I know that when I left CA and when any one else leaves CA that CA isn't impacted negatively and CA simply doesn't care. They will rapidly be replaced by out of state Democrat oriented millennials moving into CA seeking jobs and a better life for them and sanctuary residents as well. More come in than go out. The only ones who benefit are CA and the ones that leave for other states.. A win win so to say....
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In Gene Sharp's book "From Dictatorship to Democracy," a handbook for regime change, there are dozens of different time-test strategies and tactics required for a successful revolution.

There are many categories, from active to passive resistance and economic to cultural to symbolic resistance (such as the student standing in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square).

Thing is, in order to succeed, nearly every one of these tactics and strategies has to be employed. There is no one-hit-kill tactic that works all by itself, and making fun of people who choose one tactic or strategy over another is self-defeating.

This is indeed a team sport, but we must use ALL the tactics, from those that involve high personal risk to those that don't.
I believe the correct. word in this case is restoration! The revolution has already taken place in lots of American cities and states !

So will these tactics work to restore our system of constitutionally guaranteed rights ?
Will it hurt the revolutionaries ,who have opened our borders to foreign invasion, restricted our speech, attacked our gun rights ,belittled our faiths ,created laws protecting infanticide ,ignored our own war for Independence, and have made a mockery of American greatness and justice?

Fortunately these democrat revolutionaries have currently only 18 states to their credit, while we republicans have 32 ! Nice to know for those wanting to consolidate powers in free states have lots of choices are available!
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Because you dont have the balls to actually participate in real civil disobedience. LOL
I guess no one really has the balls, cause all I see is people "talking" about it.
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Ha, this!! The rest of us will stay and fight the good fight. Enjoy Idaho!

And, just for the record, those of you who think that Article 13A of the state constitution ought to be repealed should have been here when it was proposed. I personally know (or, knew) of two retired widows who were forced to sell property that was in their family for four generations because they could not come up with the ransom CA demanded in property tax. The year of the vote for that proposition, I called the assessor's office to see what the rate increase for my property (rural Monterey County). I was told 25%. Keep in mind there was no limit to what the state could levy for property tax at the time. It was heartening to see the public, through the initiative process, tell the state "Enough!" I've lived in my house now for 44 years and the only reason I can afford to is because of Prop. 13, and Javis and Gann remain heroes of mine. But, we digress....

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Ha, this!! The rest of us will stay and fight the good fight. Enjoy Idaho!

And, just for the record, those of you who think that Article 13A of the state constitution ought to be repealed should have been here when it was proposed. I personally know (or, knew) of two retired widows who were forced to sell property that was in their family for four generations because they could not come up with the ransom CA demanded in property tax. The year of the vote for that proposition, I called the assessor's office to see what the rate increase for my property (rural Monterey County). I was told 25%. Keep in mind there was no limit to what the state could levy for property tax at the time. It was heartening to see the public, through the initiative process, tell the state "Enough!" I've lived in my house now for 44 years and the only reason I can afford to is because of Prop. 13, and Javis and Gann remain heroes of mine. But, we digress....
can you imagine how prop 13 would be written if it were on the ballot today?
yeah it would be voted down !
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Ha, this!! The rest of us will stay and fight the good fight. Enjoy Idaho!
"Fighting the good fight" has been here long enough...a "fight" suggests only one winner...

The old saying about "'Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it" by George Santayana comes to mind.

How's that good fight working out for you??
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"Fighting the good fight" has been here long enough...a "fight" suggests only one winner...

The old saying about "'Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it" by George Santayana comes to mind.

How's that good fight working out for you??
Based on recent discussions with shooters, its likely the NRA members council's are ready for a comeback in California.

While political action by councils will have zero effect on the legislature. It is possible that democrats in competitive districts might break ranks to keep their jobs!

Regardless NRA members should keep this option open. 1994 did not happen by accident .
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Staying is part of the problem.
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As of this week, I will no longer do any business with anyone in Ca unless it is absolutely necessary.
I will still buy fuel, food, etc. basic needs.
Anything and everything else I will purchase out of state. Nevada is two hours away.
My wife and I have planned to buy a new vehicle.
We are waiting until we get ready to move to Idaho. At that time we will purchase the vehicle in Idaho.
My purpose, not give komifornia any more of my money than needed.
I strongly suggest everyone else follow this line of thinking.
There are work arounds. The internet, driving over to the next state exc.
You really want to hurt anyone?
Hit them in the pocketbook.
Great we'll be hit with even higher taxes to make up for the shortfall you and your ilk will cause. Thanks a lot buddy. I'm sure you won't give a **** from Idaho.
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Great we'll be hit with even higher taxes to make up for the shortfall you and your ilk will cause. Thanks a lot buddy. I'm sure you won't give a **** from Idaho.
I know that I sure don't!
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Great we'll be hit with even higher taxes to make up for the shortfall you and your ilk will cause. Thanks a lot buddy. I'm sure you won't give a **** from Idaho.
Well, to quote (sort of) Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glenn Ross - go and do likewise gents, go and do likewise. If you don't, I have no sympathy for you.

You're actually PO'd because an adult is doing what he wants (something you could do, but choose not to) and sees as a benefit to himself and his family? I'm leaving in fewer than 2 years and will not return. I suppose someone else will (in theory) have to make up for the lost tax revenue.

I don't "hate CA". I won't wave a disapproving finger at those who choose to stay nor a contemptuous middle digit to the state as I drive away for the last time. It's not just about guns or taxes but rather a compilation of reasons, which include one adult telling another what they ought to do. A bad habit which unfortunately pops up even here from time to time.

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I most certainly will.
I’ve simply had enough.
My vote does not count here as n comifornia.
I have no voice here.
So, off to free America where my voice will be heard, my vote counts and others appreciate my contributions to society.
Will the last patriotic American leaving komifornia please bring the flag with you.
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Oh, you will pay higher taxes to pay for the train to no where. To enforce the evil straw ban, to pay for illegal aliens bringing diseases, crime etc.
That’s why you will pay higher taxes. Not because I have made a choice to abandon ship as it is sinking.
I’m heading for dry land and I highly recommend you all do the same.
Komifornia is lost. Nothing will bring it back.
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Oh, you will pay higher taxes to pay for the train to no where. To enforce the evil straw ban, to pay for illegal aliens bringing diseases, crime etc.

That’s why you will pay higher taxes. Not because I have made a choice to abandon ship as it is sinking.

I’m heading for dry land and I highly recommend you all do the same.

Komifornia is lost. Nothing will bring it back.


You are correct and I am also moving to Idaho as soon as possible. My daughter and her family are already there. We visited them 6 months ago and we loved it. Little town called Payette on the border with Oregon. **** California. So many rude people, bad drivers, gangs, homeless, flat out criminals. SoCal has become the epitome or the “rats in a cage” syndrome and it’s going to get worse. Our vote doesn’t count, high taxes, illegals who should have never stepped foot in this country killing our citizens. You name something bad and CA. has it. Oh yeah the weather is nice and there is the beach and the mountains......NOT worth it.....


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Kudos, and flip the bird to Sac on the way out
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Old 07-06-2019, 2:50 PM
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Will do sir. Happy to give Sacramento the bird.
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Great we'll be hit with even higher taxes to make up for the shortfall you and your ilk will cause. Thanks a lot buddy. I'm sure you won't give a **** from Idaho.
You'll be hit with even higher taxes given the shortfall voting for Republicans.

In Idaho, conservative Republicans dominate, so obviously, no shats are given, nor even thought of.


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Because you dont have the balls to actually participate in real civil disobedience. LOL
Nor apparently does anyone else. The overwhelming choice on Calguns is to continue to stew in your own juice, biatching about how firearms laws get more restrictive every session.


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Will do sir. Happy to give Sacramento the bird.
We did it as a family 30 years ago...no regrets whatsoever.
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Good luck with that. You will still end up paying sales tax on item's purchased on the internet, (see South Dakota Vs Wayfair) Calif jumped on that band wagon real quick. You will still pay income tax, as well as the highest gas tax in the nation.

So while your thought is a noble one, you end up being more like Don Quixote charging windmill's, in other words a futile attempt.
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My way is simple: a Prop-13 protected (1975) rental generates income that goes out of state, while enjoying very low property taxes collected by the proletariat.
There are other ways, such as non-California vehicle license (a matching DL goes a long way to "legitimize" such), major purchases in Nevada or Washington, etc. Some are more symbolic: bringing back non-CARB powered equipment; plumbing fixtures that actually work; wood-burning stoves; gasoline cans that actually work; lawn darts, and when visiting Malibu (or God forbid Santa Monica) a few boxes of plastic drinking straws to hand out to others in restaurants.
Basically, anything to go against the grain of the Nanny State and all the Snowflake ideas and policies.
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15yrs ago kamifornia state employees were on furloughs because the state was broke. people with money are leaving and the kind of idiots running it, history will repeat itself.
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I’m only buying the bare necessities until I exit this god forsaken hell hole.
Yes, I get it. I will be taxed on items I purchase on the internet.
It worth the extra tip me and money it will take to make a Nevada trim once a month. Other than that I’m really not going to give any more than I absolutely have to to this state.
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Best of luck to you.
It's a whole new world outside the PRK.
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