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Old 08-20-2009, 1:20 AM
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Nice post and lots of background work...I see a few things that I need...thanks for the effort...
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What's with the KMW Pod-Loc and Triad rear bag?

For a lower cost alternative..

Use the T-Nuts bipod handle from: http://t-nuts.com/index.php?cPath=73

Make your own rear bag by picking up "Poly-Beads" from your local hobby store such as Micheals: http://www.michaels.com/art/online/home Put it into a small/medium sock that doesn't stretch too much and zip tie closed.

One hell of a write up though..

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The sock and poly beads better be heavy duty. The triad bag is a much better solution. For guys that use them in all conditions and terrain, the cordura is far less likely to rip, tear, or be damaged. That said, if you're handy with a sewing machine, cordura isn't too expensive for some scraps.
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Well thought out post, perhaps this should be a sticky.
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The sock and poly beads better be heavy duty. The triad bag is a much better solution. For guys that use them in all conditions and terrain, the cordura is far less likely to rip, tear, or be damaged. That said, if you're handy with a sewing machine, cordura isn't too expensive for some scraps.
I have yet to rip a sock but I know what you mean. Actually.. I rarely even use a rear bag now. Truth of the matter is that some guys won't get far beyond laying down at the bench a few times. It was just for the guys who wanted something functional while pinching pennies so they can invest in more critical hardware/ammo/reloading instead.

Even sheets of 1000 Ballistic Nylon isn't too expensive when you buy it by the yard and consider how much many units of whatever you get out of it. Can't have too many layers when you sew it without the right machine though .
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Can't have too many layers when you sew it without the right machine though .
Tell me about it. I went through many a needles with 1000d cordura. Tough stuff.

I'm with you on the bag thing though. For quick moving, versatile, improvised positions, etc., I like a glove.
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I made a bag out of a sock and rice. I left the bag in the garage for a week and came back and mice ate holes in it. Well being the cheap *** scottish man that I am I just threw another sock on it and added some more rice. Well it happened a few more times and I now have 2.5 pairs of socks holding my rear bag together. Moral of the story, I could have bought a triad bag for the price of socks I invested into my current one.
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I made a bag out of a sock and rice. I left the bag in the garage for a week and came back and mice ate holes in it. Well being the cheap *** scottish man that I am I just threw another sock on it and added some more rice. Well it happened a few more times and I now have 2.5 pairs of socks holding my rear bag together. Moral of the story, I could have bought a triad bag for the price of socks I invested into my current one.
Mice have not shown any interest in my triad bag.
With rice, be careful not to get it wet as rice is Hygroscopic.

I realize that by posting a list of equipment recommendations that there are cheaper alternatives.
This list was NOT about "how to get started for the least money".
The list is about known-good gear.
There will always be do-it-yourself alternatives for those that are capable.
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Mice have not shown any interest in my triad bag.
With rice, be careful not to get it wet as rice is Hygroscopic.

I realize that by posting a list of equipment recommendations that there are cheaper alternatives.
This list was NOT about "how to get started for the least money".
The list is about known-good gear.
There will always be do-it-yourself alternatives for those that are capable.
Exactly, i was emphasizing one of the pitfalls of trying to do things on the cheap.

Also, should a shooting glove be added to the list seeing as how some matches dont allow rear bags? Creedmore sports makes a cheap one that has worked really well for me.
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I think the problem here is that
1. You used rice.. and..
2. You have rats!

At least you have a backup food source during those long shooting sessions/matches.
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Between my creedmore and my champions choice glove, the champions choice is the clear winner...and cheaper to boot. Its definitly a good thing to add to the list.
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My Creedmore glove is falling apart after only 1-year. It also smells. I need to go order me a Champions Choice.
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Yeah the CC glove is great!
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What's the benefit of a glove on your rear support hand?
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What's the benefit of a glove on your rear support hand?
Essentially the same as a rear bag except it's easier to take with you when you're on the move.
It's not as stable as a rear bag especially one your heart beat gets going.. but it's a good compromise.
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Ok but how does the glove benefit over just using your bare hand. Is it padded similar to a bag or is it to keep your hands clean our of the dirt Sorry I've just never heard of a glove for precision shooting
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http://www.champchoice.com/prod-Spli..._Mit-3653.aspx

Is this the glove?
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Ok but how does the glove benefit over just using your bare hand. Is it padded similar to a bag or is it to keep your hands clean our of the dirt Sorry I've just never heard of a glove for precision shooting
Its padded and gets rid of a lot of movement compared to your bare hand. Night and day difference.
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Its padded and gets rid of a lot of movement compared to your bare hand. Night and day difference.
I don't see your glove on sale.. you know.. the one with the built in bean bag
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I don't see your glove on sale.. you know.. the one with the built in bean bag
Lol. I wish. But the padding is a little better than the Creedmoor glove. Its a little more dense and seems more stable.
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You guys are gonna make me broke! So even a match that doesn't allow a rear rest is cool with a glove then. I always wondered how you guys could possibly pull any shots off with no rear support
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You guys are gonna make me broke! So even a match that doesn't allow a rear rest is cool with a glove then. I always wondered how you guys could possibly pull any shots off with no rear support
You can still make hits with your bare hand sitting back there or even grabbing your bicep if you need to aim a bit lower. Gloves, like a bag, just makes it easier and more comfortable.
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What is the bandana or scarf called you and Ryan use? I know you have told me 2 or 3 times but...
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Actually.. it's a shemagH.. aka "keffiyeh"
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$6 shipped.
Closes in a couple hours.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=320413425489

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Shemag, shmemag, splemag...bandana. There.
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Two thoughts/questions:

- would a hockey/lacrosse glove work?

- how important is a light colored shemagh vs. a dark one? I found that's badass black with grey skulls, but black seems like it would be hot beyond belief on a 100* day... but it is light cotton?
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Two thoughts/questions:

- would a hockey/lacrosse glove work?

- how important is a light colored shemagh vs. a dark one? I found that's badass black with grey skulls, but black seems like it would be hot beyond belief on a 100* day... but it is light cotton?
I have used a cut up hockey glove before. It usable. They have alot of padding and creates a stable support if positioned well. Also, youd be surprise how much of a diffeerence in felt temp colors can make. I remember lying on a dark mat under the sun thinking it was hot and then being surprised at how much cooler a light colored mat felt to lay on.
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Randall, you continue to amaze me. The effort you put out for all of us "pro bono" is really appreciated by me and I hope all the rest of CaPRC. I'll be down at Camp Pendelton for the weekend shoot and I'll try to represent us as best I can. Maybe someday I can follow in Ryan's foot steps


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Would it be possible to add the effective ranges of each set up?
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The efective range is not a function of the gun.
The effective range is a function of the ammunition choice and the shooter's ability.
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The efective range is not a function of the gun.
The effective range is a function of the ammunition choice and the shooter's ability.
So all those rifle setups can touch 1k effectively and efficiently if the shooter knows what he's doing and buys the right ammo? Interesting.
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So all those rifle setups can touch 1k effectively and efficiently if the shooter knows what he's doing and buys the right ammo?
Yes.
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