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Old 03-28-2020, 6:11 PM
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How can you train enough to remember that you wore a gun with a manual safety today but not tomorrow or yesterday?
It is not as difficult as you are pretending it is.
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It is not as difficult as you are pretending it is.
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How can you train enough to remember that you wore a gun with a manual safety today but not tomorrow or yesterday?

yeah for me its not an issue, I drive or operate a variety of vehicles with different control systems and it goes the same for me with guns
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It is not as difficult as you are pretending it is.
Seriously. I've switched between a 1911 and a G23 in the middle of a training class. Gun, holster, mags, ammo- the whole shebang. No problem. If your hand cannot tell the difference between a 1911 and a Glock when you are drawing a gun to defend yourself, you have bigger problems and probably shouldn't be carrying a gun.
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While I'm not limited, if I'm carrying IWB it's this
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Otherwise it's OWB and my 19x
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I carry what I shoot best, not what's most concealable or comfortable and I don't care about printing. The 19x w/19+1 is really hard to leave home sometimes but the Baer is just that good
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OP, you have to choose the gun(s) that work for you. The term, "CCW" is really self explanatory.

C - Carry. Perhaps the most important aspect of your choice of firearm is to pick a gun that you will ACTUALLY carry. A handgun will do you no good if its locked in your safe at the moment you need it to defend yourself. This goes hand in hand with the next C - Concealed.

C - Concealed. You need to pick a gun that you can conceal. Little guns are easier to conceal that big guns. I'm 5' 9" 190, and I can conceal a small 9mm like a P365 or P938 with an OWB holster and a baggy T-shirt. The P365 in a Simply Rugged OWB holster has become my go to carry because its so easy to conceal. But, in the winter, while wearing a jacket, I could conceal an MPX SBR if I wanted to. So, figure out what works for you - unfortunately, that is not an easy task in CA because you have fewer choices, and some of the best choices, even if you can obtain them by paying huge premiums, may not be permitted by your IA (every one is different). So be sure to find out if your IA permits off roster guns on your CCW before you go out and buy one.

FWIW, I found a G23 and a G27 equally concealable. I did not feel that the G27 provided any concealability advantage vis-a-vis the G23. They were both to big to carry OWB effectively, and their width made carrying them IWB pretty much equal in terms of comfort. As always, everyone is a bit different so YMMV.

Weapon. The gun should be an effective weapon. Generally accepted minimums are 9mm and .38. .357, 40s, 10mm, and .45s are all good choices. I will admit that I carried a P238HD (.380) because of its size and my IA's refusal to allow me to continue carrying my P938 (9mm). I carried the P238 with Underwood Xtreme penetrator ammo - which looks to be effective defense ammo in a 380.

I'll leave you with this. The chance of you having to use deadly force as an ordinary civilian is miniscule. And carrying a gun can get you into more trouble than its worth. So, take solid CCW classes. Learn the law. Learn how to avoid trouble and when deadly force is justified. Spend some time with a criminal lawyer if need be. Good luck.
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While I'm not limited, if I'm carrying IWB it's this
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Otherwise it's OWB and my 19x
I love the look of a well used Baer.

Here's mine.



Edit. It actually looks a lot rougher in person.
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Appendix carrry: G26 w/ G19 mag (most days)
G19 when I will be carrying a lot and don't have to worry about putting on/taking off several times
CZ PCR when I feel like giving the G19 a break.
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P365 hands down the best carry option out there. It shoots like a fullsize but carries like a pocket gun
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If your limited to 3
Iíd be fine with my Ruger LCP, fits in any type pocket(i use a relcuse leather holster)
Sig P365 every day carry
Hiking, mountain biking etc Glock20
Night sights on Sig and Glock
Iíve tried red dots, they didnít work for me, just saying
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do they really only allow (3) guns?
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I have five all for different types of carry.

Primary: SP101 or Colt King Cobra in 357 magnum
Winter: 1911 45 acp full size.
Travel: S+W 659 off body. Three 15 rounders of 9mm make for a nice truck gun.
Woods: 4.5" Ruger Blackhawk 45acp/ 45 Colt loaded with 325g bear stompers.

Never a problem switching guns the way I use them. I grew up paddling a safety back and forth while hunting so muscle memory is built in for each gun that uses a safety.
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How can you train enough to remember that you wore a gun with a manual safety today but not tomorrow or yesterday?
Muscle memory in the hand..."If" you have trained enough.
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Three guns I have used for conceal carry:
HK P2000SK 9mm light LEM
HK 45C DA/SA
Kahr CW-9 DAO
if allowed a forth gun, it would be my tiny Walther TPH 22 DA/SA with CCI Stingers which function 100% in both my TPHs
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My HK P7M8 is one of my CCW guns, extremely accurate and easy to carry,
My other carry piece is an FN 57, very light to carry, extremely accurate, very little recoil and very effective with SS198LF GREEN TIP AMMO 5.7X28MM
and 20 round mags!Attachment 884598

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Roster aside, I would probably pick the P365XL. It's slim and it's modular. Does not have the primer smear/striker reliability issue as the shorter P365. Plus, you have the option to add a reflex red dot, or swap the fire control unit and slide on to the smaller P365 frame for a smaller printing profile. For those who prefer a manual safety, that variant is available as well.
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Carry guns with the same type of controls. Don't carry a 1911 one day, and a Glock the next. When the balloon goes up your lizard brain might not remember that it's JMB Weds, DA/SA Saturday or Glock Tues.
I used to compete with a 1911 one day then a HK P7M8 the next day. That's about as different as it gets. It's no different than jumping from a car with automatic transmission into one with manual transmission. I do that all the time too. The only hard part is learning to left foot brake when there are 3 pedals.
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Sig 365

Smith 686

Canik tp9sa

These are my three carry guns
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Sheesh. Black bears are about as dangerous as domestic cats. A whistle or two pans will scare them off most of the time assuming you have not done something crazy like lathering up in bacon fat.
I used to think that as well, and probably 99.9% of the time it's the case. Recently some lady nearly got mauled to death if it wasn't for her dogs going for help she got mauled real bad by a California black bear! In the woods I like the G20 or G31 even in CA.
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Appendix carrry: G26 w/ G19 mag (most days)
G19 when I will be carrying a lot and don't have to worry about putting on/taking off several times
CZ PCR when I feel like giving the G19 a break.
I have never been able to get anything other than the stock mags to function properly in my subcompact, the G19 or G32 mags always cause FTF nose dive.
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Aside what pistols for CCW, I would respectfully suggest a good holster and do numerous dry practice with it...

My carry outside California is a Glock 26.3. I ordered the Bravo Concealment holster and set myself up with single-clip configuration AIWB.

After the first few reps, less than 10 as I would remember, of dry practice - this is what happened:



and I was unable to get my firearm out.

If this were a real-world scenario, I would have probably been 6-ft under!


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There are some amazing aiwb holsters on Etsy right now. Some fantastic designs 4 ridiculously good prices. I just picked up a great holster for my p365 for something like $32 shipped and it's every bit as good as far as they finish quality of a Bravo concealment it has the car it has everything I would ever want it to have or need any holster for a fraction of the price of what a lot of the big dogs charge.
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This is a particular one I got
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- i like revolvers personally

- 340PD j-frame
- LCR 9mm snubby
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Carry guns with the same type of controls. Don't carry a 1911 one day, and a Glock the next. When the balloon goes up your lizard brain might not remember that it's JMB Weds, DA/SA Saturday or Glock Tues.
Amen to this, great point.

My 3 are (biggest to smallest):

1. HK 45C w CT laser (bedside gun)
2. HK USP .40C
3. HK P2000 SK .40

All 3 are lem trigger (same type of controls) and I practice/am proficient with all 3 fairly equally. The P2Sk is what I ccw most. Smallest footprint. USP makes it into the rotation also. And yes, I am an HK fanboy!
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Wow. I think this is my old post! (Iím on cell and I donít feel like going to the first page).

FWIW...

I got a sig p365. It was going to take a while to get it so I started with an on roster CZ RAMI. The one with the safety and no decocker is legal in California. The one with the decocker no safety is not. Itís a great great gun. It shoots like a full size 1911 because itís all metal. The problem is ... in order to decock it with a magazine still in you have to hold the hammer and pull the trigger and slowly let it down. Several times at the range the hammer got away from me and i had NDs. Like more than once less than five. It must have over a thousand rounds through it. Maybe a couple thousand? Obviously thank G-D because of the four rules there was no real danger but it was extremely disconcerting. I was initially very angry at myself. So I was very careful after that. And even then it got away from me a few times with a few NDs.

When Iím at the Indoor Range itís not an issue because I shoot until the magazine is empty. The NDs occurred at two classes. It was pretty horrifying as you might imagine. Anyway I did what probably everyone would or should do. I pretended I shot it intentionally! I was horrified though.

I figure whenever i use it I shoot till itís empty which solves the problem. And if I were to carry it - I havenít yet - and had to discharge it, a ND would be the least of my concerns.

Finally about this - it underscores the idiocy of government workers and the state of California. The cz Rami decocker version is illegal here because itís dangerous. The ND cz Rami is legal here even though it actually is dangerous.

Anyway to continue ... the p365 is an absolute pleasure to shoot. Little felt recoil. Great accuracy. Just all around great gun. And in contrast to the mini Glock it feels great in my hand. Love the p365. The problem with it though is apparently sig in their wisdom made the rail proprietary so you can only use their weapon light which apparently turns on every time you use the gun including at the range and what Iíve read is you canít turn it off. So whenever you take it out the light is on and it drains the battery. In order to fit any other brand light you need to buy an adapter for the rail and even then none of the sure fire lights fit.

Question for everyone - Iíve read some pretty mixed reviews about the viridian laser-weapon lights. Anyone have any experience?

Finally ... because it needs to be said ... MAGA!
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Colossians - i think for all of California - though I could be wrong - the permit provides for up to three handguns. You have to list what you carry and canít carry anything else. You can however either have more than one permit or pay for additions - Iím not sure how you splice the words - you can pay for more than one permit to have more than three on.

My mom who is in another state thinks thatís silly. In her state no gun is attached to your permit. If you receive a permit you carry whatever you like. Which makes sense in comparison steady to California. If the state allows you to carry... why does it need to know WHAT you carry?
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1) EDC Glock 43
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I've gotten a couple of nice holsters on esty.

I've never understood that thingy on the side of the holster. What's it meant to do?
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A) Kahr CW9 ( 9mm )

B) Sig SP2022 ( 9mm )

C) GP100

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I've gotten a couple of nice holsters on esty.

I've never understood that thingy on the side of the holster. What's it meant to do?
The “thingy” or “claw” is designed to push against your gun belt, thus theoretically bringing the top of the gun and holster closer into your body......thereby enhancing the concealability of your IWB rig.

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... Several times at the range the hammer got away from me and i had NDs. Like more than once less than five. I And even then it got away from me a few times with a few NDs.

The NDs occurred at two classes. I was horrified though.

The ND cz Rami is legal here even though it actually is dangerous.

Anyway to continue ...


- what range do you attend?

- (for educational/self-preservation purposes)

- thank you..















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