Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > FIREARMS DISCUSSIONS > Optics, Mounts, Rails and Sights
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Optics, Mounts, Rails and Sights If it aims your firearm, post about it here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-18-2022, 7:27 PM
TheVazha TheVazha is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 103
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default LPVO purchase options

Hi!

Itís my birthday. I get to buy an LPVO. Iíve researched quite a bit and the Vortex Razor Gen 2 was on my list. Then last night I go to check out and I see they have a 1x10!

Iím sure itís been discussed to oblivion here, but is there anything else I should strongly look at before I buy the 1x10?




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-19-2022, 8:25 AM
HKAllTheThings HKAllTheThings is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Newport
Posts: 1,089
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Personally, I like the 1-6 more since it's clearer at 1X.

But the 1-10 has been a very good optic on the SCAR 17, if you're planning to run it on something like that.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-19-2022, 12:34 PM
Sutcliffe Sutcliffe is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Middleton, ID
Posts: 6,658
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default Whatís it going on?

For AR platforms 6x is good, 8x better, but 10x seems a little much.

YMMV
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-19-2022, 2:00 PM
verdigris's Avatar
verdigris verdigris is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 141
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Default

Take a look at Tract Optics. Not too many people know of them but make excellent scopes. They sell direct and more value for the money. They have a great 1x8 LVPO for about 1200.00
__________________
If you listen to fools, the mob rules.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-19-2022, 3:02 PM
ir0nclash86's Avatar
ir0nclash86 ir0nclash86 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Anaheim
Posts: 3,893
iTrader: 150 / 100%
Default

https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-...56-308-reticle
__________________
Rock out with your Glock out
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-19-2022, 5:11 PM
Dr. Peter Venkman's Avatar
Dr. Peter Venkman Dr. Peter Venkman is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Where the Wild Things Are
Posts: 4,736
iTrader: 21 / 100%
Default

1-10x will have a tighter eyebox. Check out the other razor HD models if you can.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-19-2022, 6:47 PM
TheVazha TheVazha is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 103
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I agree woth you guys, the 1-10 I think is overkill for a 223. Iíll keep looking. I wish Trijicon had a proper 1-8.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-19-2022, 7:18 PM
fmxmyway's Avatar
fmxmyway fmxmyway is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 389
iTrader: 104 / 100%
Default

1-6 FTW. Ive owned both and I sold my 1-10. The 1-6 is more like a magnified red dot so it does both roles well as the eye relief is flexible. The 1-10 is more like a traditional scope as the eye relief is much more restrictive.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-19-2022, 7:56 PM
TheVazha TheVazha is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 103
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fmxmyway View Post
1-6 FTW. Ive owned both and I sold my 1-10. The 1-6 is more like a magnified red dot so it does both roles well as the eye relief is flexible. The 1-10 is more like a traditional scope as the eye relief is much more restrictive.

Amazing thatís what Iíve read in the past 48. I can get the 1-10 but for $2700 otd itís just crazy imho. Iíd do it if there was a compelling reason but for a 223 I think 1-6 is sweet spot no?

Also, maybe a noob question, do they only make a 1-6 in sfp because the lower magnification, in other words, thereís no benefit of ffp at that range compared to 1-10?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-19-2022, 8:03 PM
Munny$hot Munny$hot is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,375
iTrader: 56 / 100%
Default

IMHO the 1-10 FFP trumps the 1-6 SFP due to the ranging reticle being correct regardless of power setting. Yes you'll more then likely be on max or 1X but if foe some reason it's will affect your desired results. The eye box is tighter on the 10X, but IMHO is a good thing due most LPVOs do not have a parallax adjustment. You can use the edges of the scope's shadow to give you a good indication if you are properly lined up with your target at distance. The EBR9 MOA is a great Christmas tree style reticle, with wind, and is extremely fast at making hits out to distance. IMHO I'd rather have a tighter eye box with the extra 4X over the 1-6 especially for stretching out to the maximum range of the 5.56 on smaller targets then being limited to 6X. If you want a more forgiving eyebox simply dial down the magnification to 6-8X. The other LPVO I'd consider would be the Kahles 1-8. All the others don't have the glass quality, forgiving eyebox at lower magnification, and an Aimpoint bright dot like the Razor or Kahles which IMHO is needed for quick shots at close distances.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-19-2022, 8:27 PM
TheVazha TheVazha is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 103
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Munny$hot View Post
IMHO the 1-10 FFP trumps the 1-6 SFP due to the ranging reticle being correct regardless of power setting. Yes you'll more then likely be on max or 1X but if foe some reason it's will affect your desired results. The eye box is tighter on the 10X, but IMHO is a good thing due most LPVOs do not have a parallax adjustment. You can use the edges of the scope's shadow to give you a good indication if you are properly lined up with your target at distance. The EBR9 MOA is a great Christmas tree style reticle, with wind, and is extremely fast at making hits out to distance. IMHO I'd rather have a tighter eye box with the extra 4X over the 1-6 especially for stretching out to the maximum range of the 5.56 on smaller targets then being limited to 6X. If you want a more forgiving eyebox simply dial down the magnification to 6-8X. The other LPVO I'd consider would be the Kahles 1-8. All the others don't have the glass quality, forgiving eyebox at lower magnification, and an Aimpoint bright dot like the Razor or Kahles which IMHO is needed for quick shots at close distances.

Great point. Itís funny, I currently have an Accupoint 1-4 on the 223 and the shadows do absolutely help me dial in the positioning. Of course itís not preferred, but itís funny how when you get used to something it really doesnít bother you.

They do make a Trijicon Credo 1-6 with ffp. Thatís about the same price as a Gen 2 E. Have you had any experience woth that?

I love my 1-4 Accupoint but also Iíve never looked through anything else. I think the 1-4 is rad, I canít wait to upgrade to something really special. Just having such a tough time deciding.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-19-2022, 10:06 PM
Gryff's Avatar
Gryff Gryff is offline
CGSSA Coordinator
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Castro Valley, CA
Posts: 12,307
iTrader: 61 / 98%
Default

I just put a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8x on my son's AR for him to use in next month's BARC match. He likes it, but it is the horseshoe reticle instead of the crosshairs.

BTW, ActiveJunky.com has 10% back right now if you buy from Cabelas/Bass Pro. That will save me $50 on the Strike Eagle.
__________________
My friends and family disavow all knowledge of my existence, let alone my opinions.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 06-19-2022, 10:24 PM
Full Clip's Avatar
Full Clip Full Clip is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hoboken, NJ (Escapee #655321)
Posts: 10,461
iTrader: 48 / 100%
Default

You might want to check out some of SupersetCA's videos on the subject.
__________________
ďPolitical tags ó such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth ó are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.Ē ó Robert A. Heinlein

ďIt does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's mindsĒ ó Samuel Adams
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 06-19-2022, 10:29 PM
tradecraft tradecraft is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 3,903
iTrader: 315 / 100%
Default

I have some Vudu 1-10s listed if you want to save some coin.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 06-20-2022, 6:56 AM
Munny$hot Munny$hot is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,375
iTrader: 56 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVazha View Post
Great point. It’s funny, I currently have an Accupoint 1-4 on the 223 and the shadows do absolutely help me dial in the positioning. Of course it’s not preferred, but it’s funny how when you get used to something it really doesn’t bother you.

They do make a Trijicon Credo 1-6 with ffp. That’s about the same price as a Gen 2 E. Have you had any experience woth that?

I love my 1-4 Accupoint but also I’ve never looked through anything else. I think the 1-4 is rad, I can’t wait to upgrade to something really special. Just having such a tough time deciding.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I did look through a Credo and the glass is nice and the illumination definitely better then their previous models. The biggest downside to the Credo 1-8 is the tunneling affect around the image, something that is not present on the Razors LPVOs. If you're considering the Credo 1-8 make sure to also look at the Razor Gen 2 1-6 before making a decision. Either of them would be a great option for a very durable 24/7 rig.

Last edited by Munny$hot; 06-20-2022 at 7:12 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 06-20-2022, 7:05 AM
Munny$hot Munny$hot is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,375
iTrader: 56 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gryff View Post
I just put a Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8x on my son's AR for him to use in next month's BARC match. He likes it, but it is the horseshoe reticle instead of the crosshairs.

BTW, ActiveJunky.com has 10% back right now if you buy from Cabelas/Bass Pro. That will save me $50 on the Strike Eagle.
I definitely like the reticle of the SE 1-8 and the price is starting to come down on them to 300.00 with a Vortex mount. I'm hoping to see an updated reticle in their PST Gen2 LPVO line of scopes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Full Clip View Post
You might want to check out some of SupersetCA's videos on the subject.
Definitely a great vid to checkout before making a decision on a high dollar investment.

Last edited by Munny$hot; 06-20-2022 at 7:08 AM..
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 06-20-2022, 9:30 AM
D.A.V.I.D.'s Avatar
D.A.V.I.D. D.A.V.I.D. is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Visalia
Posts: 1,805
iTrader: 201 / 100%
Default

I’ve had the 1-6 and 1-10. Sold the 1-10, I don’t think ffp is necessary on a 5.56 rifle. I’m using 1 or 6 mostly and if I’m using in between it’s shots that the center reticle is still good to use. I also find the glass better on the 1-6.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 06-20-2022, 9:47 AM
theLBC's Avatar
theLBC theLBC is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: the lbc
Posts: 4,286
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

for that kind of money, i would consider the march shorty dual plane scopes.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 06-20-2022, 8:15 PM
Subotai's Avatar
Subotai Subotai is online now
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Occupied Vespuchia
Posts: 10,612
iTrader: 26 / 100%
Default

I have the primary arms 1-6 with acss reticle. Bery nice!
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 06-23-2022, 10:05 AM
crufflers's Avatar
crufflers crufflers is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 12,303
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVazha View Post
Iíll keep looking. I wish Trijicon had a proper 1-8.
What's wrong with the CREDO?

Credo CR828 1-8x28mm
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 06-23-2022, 2:16 PM
sigstroker sigstroker is online now
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: not in CA
Posts: 14,686
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Peter Venkman View Post
1-10x will have a tighter eyebox. Check out the other razor HD models if you can.
I saw a guntube review that compared 1-6x to 1-8x Primary Arms scope and the 1-8 had worse glass. You can't assume anything by the brand name.

OP, go on youtube, or just this forum, and search for supersetCA. He does reviews that are among the best. I remember he did a comparison video of high end lpvo's and the Razor was in it but I can't remember if it was the 1-10x.

Counter-intuitively, the most important aspect is how good they are at 1x.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 06-23-2022, 2:26 PM
sigstroker sigstroker is online now
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: not in CA
Posts: 14,686
iTrader: 8 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Munny$hot View Post
I did look through a Credo and the glass is nice and the illumination definitely better then their previous models. The biggest downside to the Credo 1-8 is the tunneling affect around the image, something that is not present on the Razors LPVOs. If you're considering the Credo 1-8 make sure to also look at the Razor Gen 2 1-6 before making a decision. Either of them would be a great option for a very durable 24/7 rig.
If you want durable, look at the SIG Tango6T. It was adopted by the military. They seem to have discontinued it for retail sale, but there might be on in stock somewhere.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 06-23-2022, 2:27 PM
TheVazha TheVazha is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 103
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Thanks gents, fantastic advice and discussion.

Will make a decision and report back!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 06-23-2022, 2:48 PM
crufflers's Avatar
crufflers crufflers is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 12,303
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

I have a few LPVO and the clearest are the Razor 1-6, PST II 1-6, RT-6... the Vortex scopes are built better IMHO... but also cost more than the Burris.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 06-23-2022, 7:59 PM
Munny$hot Munny$hot is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,375
iTrader: 56 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sigstroker View Post
If you want durable, look at the SIG Tango6T. It was adopted by the military. They seem to have discontinued it for retail sale, but there might be on in stock somewhere.
I considered it when they first came out, but the illumination was disappointing.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 06-24-2022, 11:48 AM
Ki6vsm Ki6vsm is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,173
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Delta Stryker 1-6x anyone? I ended up with two of them: one in each reticle type. I like them a lot. Simple center dot, VERY bright if you want it that way.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 06-25-2022, 10:55 AM
Dennis's Avatar
Dennis Dennis is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 194
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ki6vsm View Post
Delta Stryker 1-6x anyone? I ended up with two of them: one in each reticle type. I like them a lot. Simple center dot, VERY bright if you want it that way.
I was set to buy a Vortex PST2 1-6. I found a used Delta Stryker 1-6 here for less and decided to give it a try. Very impressed with it. Super bright daylight dot. Nice clear Japanese glass. I would highly recommend one to anyone looking.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 06-30-2022, 3:55 PM
Ki6vsm Ki6vsm is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,173
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis View Post
I was set to buy a Vortex PST2 1-6.
It's funny you say that. I'd purchased one of those first. My impression was, it's very nice to look through but boy, it's kind of a tank. Then read about the Stryker. Bought one. Then returned the Vortex.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 08-03-2022, 10:23 PM
crufflers's Avatar
crufflers crufflers is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 12,303
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ki6vsm View Post
It's funny you say that. I'd purchased one of those first. My impression was, it's very nice to look through but boy, it's kind of a tank. Then read about the Stryker. Bought one. Then returned the Vortex.
For that price I would expect Razor levels of clarity and brightness. Am I being unreasonable? Anyone compare these to the PA Platinum?
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 08-05-2022, 3:13 PM
Ki6vsm Ki6vsm is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,173
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by crufflers View Post
For that price I would expect Razor levels of clarity and brightness. Am I being unreasonable? Anyone compare these to the PA Platinum?
I've never looked through a Razor, but I don't know that I'd necessarily expect an $800 scope to have glass on par with a $1200-1400 scope. What I like about the Striker is the great glass plus the light weight. 6 oz lighter than either of the Vortex scopes. That counts for something. If it makes the Stryker less "combat worthy" than the heavier scopes, well, that's something I hope I never need to learn about.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 08-05-2022, 4:17 PM
crufflers's Avatar
crufflers crufflers is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 12,303
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ki6vsm View Post
I've never looked through a Razor, but I don't know that I'd necessarily expect an $800 scope to have glass on par with a $1200-1400 scope. What I like about the Striker is the great glass plus the light weight. 6 oz lighter than either of the Vortex scopes. That counts for something. If it makes the Stryker less "combat worthy" than the heavier scopes, well, that's something I hope I never need to learn about.
I dunno that it is Razor clear or not, but EUROPTIC blew out Razor GenII's for $900 not too long ago. Yeah they are not feather light, but good glass does have weight.

I'm just curious where they fall on the glass quality line up... internals too. If they shaved weight, where?
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 08-05-2022, 5:55 PM
Munny$hot Munny$hot is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,375
iTrader: 56 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by crufflers View Post
I dunno that it is Razor clear or not, but EUROPTIC blew out Razor GenII's for $900 not too long ago. Yeah they are not feather light, but good glass does have weight.

I'm just curious where they fall on the glass quality line up... internals too. If they shaved weight, where?
The one Euro Optics blew out for 900 where not the Gen II "E" models but the heavier 24ozs. According to Vortex they saved the weight by using lighter weight material, but did not sacrifice the glass, durability/ruggedness of the scope.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 08-05-2022, 6:17 PM
HKAllTheThings HKAllTheThings is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Newport
Posts: 1,089
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Munny$hot View Post
The one Euro Optics blew out for 900 where not the Gen II "E" models but the heavier 24ozs. According to Vortex they saved the weight by using lighter weight material, but did not sacrifice the glass, durability/ruggedness of the scope.
Yes, Vortex switched out their brass internals for lighter alloys so they could try to win that USSOCOM S-VPS contract.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 08-05-2022, 7:16 PM
crufflers's Avatar
crufflers crufflers is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 12,303
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Munny$hot View Post
The one Euro Optics blew out for 900 where not the Gen II "E" models but the heavier 24ozs. According to Vortex they saved the weight by using lighter weight material, but did not sacrifice the glass, durability/ruggedness of the scope.
I am aware. I was ok with the 2.5 ounces more or whatever for a 1-6 with great glass @ $900. Just another trade-off. Now if it was 8 ounces I'd probably notice... and maybe the Stryker is awesome glass and half a pound lighter than the the Razor, that's why I ask.

I also know there are people telling us Monstrum and O-light are tight tight tight!
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 08-05-2022, 7:23 PM
Munny$hot Munny$hot is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,375
iTrader: 56 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by crufflers View Post
I am aware. I was ok with the 2.5 ounces more or whatever for a 1-6 with great glass @ $900. Just another trade-off. Now if it was 8 ounces I'd probably notice... and maybe the Stryker is awesome glass and half a pound lighter than the the Razor, that's why I ask.

I also know there are people telling us Monstrum and O-light are tight tight tight!
Monstrom FTE LOL. I considered the Leupold MK6 1-6 and the NF 1-8 but the eye box on both of those are extremely tight. IMHO for the glass, reticle, durability, daylight bright dot it's hard to beat the Razor 1-10 MOA.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 08-05-2022, 8:31 PM
crufflers's Avatar
crufflers crufflers is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 12,303
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Munny$hot View Post
Monstrom FTE LOL. I considered the Leupold MK6 1-6 and the NF 1-8 but the eye box on both of those are extremely tight. IMHO for the glass, reticle, durability, daylight bright dot it's hard to beat the Razor 1-10 MOA.
AFAIK, my price on the Viper PST II and the Razor Gen2 (heavy ) were well worth it.

I see all kinds of positive Monstrum reviews on the fixed power prisms… the reviewers got free tish from them of course similar to the Olight reviewers.

Last edited by crufflers; 08-05-2022 at 8:36 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 08-05-2022, 8:35 PM
Ki6vsm Ki6vsm is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,173
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Munny$hot View Post
The one Euro Optics blew out for 900 where not the Gen II "E" models but the heavier 24ozs. According to Vortex they saved the weight by using lighter weight material, but did not sacrifice the glass, durability/ruggedness of the scope.
Yeah. Exactly. I think it also went to a higher retail/street price too. I'm seeing them everywhere for $1400 now.

As far as if the Stryker is near as good, I can't say. I might not be the best judge, don't have perfect vision anyway. But I like what I see when I look through it. It's made in Japan. By LOW, supposedly. HD glass. I like DGMR reticle best. Simpler, finer lines than the more popular DSMR reticle. Less busy reticle. Only has a few mil hash marks on the vertical for hold-overs. Center dot gets daylight bright. Yet, because it's a smaller dot than the DSMR's reticle, the dot can be set dim enough not to dazzle your eye when used in dark places.

It might be made of thinner walled tubing than the two Vortex 1-6x scopes. Can't say for sure. That'd make the Vtx scopes tougher overall I'm sure, if you were to put them through abuse.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 08-05-2022, 8:39 PM
ArmyMedicMoose's Avatar
ArmyMedicMoose ArmyMedicMoose is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: I.E.
Posts: 1,261
iTrader: 12 / 93%
Default

I've been running the Razor Gen III 1-10 hard for the last few months, and it is a beast of an optic! Clear glass, and you can easily run the optic with both eyes open at all powers.
razor.jpg
__________________
NRA member
S&W M&P Armorer
Glock Armorer
CPR instructor
EMT-P
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 08-06-2022, 10:06 AM
Ki6vsm Ki6vsm is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 2,173
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

^^^ Nice setup.

FWIW, here is the Delta Stryker's DGMR reticle, the simpler one with the finer lines. I'm borrowing this image from someone's post on SnipersHide.

I think the width of the lines here is 0.11 Mrad. (The DSMR reticle has 0.18 Mrad lines.) So these are about 1/3 skinnier than the DSMR's.

For comparison, the Razor Gen II-E 1-6x has 0.15 Mrad wide lines at the 3, 6, and 9 o'clock lines (near center) and a 0.18 Mrad line at 12 o'clock. In case anyone cares.


Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 08-06-2022, 10:14 AM
Sniper3142's Avatar
Sniper3142 Sniper3142 is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Tustin, CA
Posts: 2,562
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ArmyMedicMoose View Post
I've been running the Razor Gen III 1-10 hard for the last few months, and it is a beast of an optic! Clear glass, and you can easily run the optic with both eyes open at all powers.
Attachment 1107334
This or similar is also my choice.

The reticle allows for elevation and windage holds.

__________________
Internet Talk is Cheap

Man Up, Show Up, or Shut the @#$! Up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C74HgbjSCLM
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 3:04 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2021, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.



Seams2SewBySusy

Tactical Pants Tactical Boots Military Boots 5.11 Tactical