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Old 09-11-2021, 5:53 AM
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I know this is the LE forum..but I heard thru the grapevine that San Jose FD sent their employees the mandate a few days ago to vax or lose your job.
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Old 09-12-2021, 7:53 AM
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Everyone waiting for their unions to defend them...remember your unions have been propping up the democrat power structure in this state for four decades...They are not about to turn on their democrat masters for you on this...it is vital that the democrats appear to be in total control of the "organs of state power" as we are pushed down the rabbit hole of socialism/communism.
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Old 09-12-2021, 11:49 AM
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The mandate apparently will exempt Congress and staff, the judiciary and staff and probably others.


Seems like a good case for an Equal Protection issue. 14th Amendment
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Old 09-12-2021, 1:36 PM
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So yeah, mandatory Vax for us now. Unless you are a crackhead or killer, then you get a choice.
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Old 09-13-2021, 3:49 AM
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I’m not LE but I expect my union will fold like a cheep suit.


Even though the website still says they stand for workers right to chose the vax, they’ll stick to what they are good at. Collecting dues and protecting guys with DUI’s in company rides.
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Old 09-14-2021, 3:44 PM
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Well, I just got off the phone with my captain and was told by Oct. 14th if I'm not vaccinated, I will be removed from my post and will have to stay home and burn my own time until I'm vaccinated or if the order changes.. or work inside the jail. On the plus side my best friend just told me Texas DPS is hiring and that I could come stay with him in Texas while I go through the interview process.. he's been trying to convince me to move out there for years.. I'm the stay and fight kind of guy, but I'm getting tired.

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Old 09-14-2021, 5:28 PM
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https://www.presstelegram.com/2021/0...ccine-mandate/


Weren't LAPD officers tasked with enforcing Garcetti and NewScum's Covid Mandates against businesses and unmasked individuals in public during the "lockdowns"?
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Old 09-15-2021, 7:16 AM
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Well, I just got off the phone with my captain and was told by Oct. 14th if I'm not vaccinated, I will be removed from my post and will have to stay home and burn my own time until I'm vaccinated or if the order changes.. or work inside the jail. On the plus side my best friend just told me Texas DPS is hiring and that I could come stay with him in Texas while I go through the interview process.. he's been trying to convince me to move out there for years.. I'm the stay and fight kind of guy, but I'm getting tired.

Now I see the plan, weed out all the intelegent LE in the state. Anyone engageing in rational contemplation must go.


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Old 09-16-2021, 9:21 PM
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Someone from my union legal team emailed me earlier this week and said they're filing a lawsuit this week and will request a restraining order on the enforcement of the mandate
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Someone from my union legal team emailed me earlier this week and said they're filing a lawsuit this week and will request a restraining order on the enforcement of the mandate
That certainly seems to shoot down the statement by OCEquestrian regarding your union. Hopefully they will prevail.
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Old 09-17-2021, 9:36 AM
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PORAC LDF basically says it’s a lost cause.

https://myemail.constantcontact.com/...id=3JVgoV43sag

“As you can see from the attached legal position letter our attorneys have collectively prepared, they are of the unanimous opinion that our options are extremely limited and any fight is quite unlikely to be successful.”
Wow, just wow. This is "The Invasion of the Body Snatchers" (original anti-Communist) level stuff. Every lawyer/law firm I've ever heard from is always gung-ho about filing a big lawsuit (with your money, and Police Unions never seemed shy about hiring good lawyers for members).
In anything even hinting a "social issue" lawyers will say that even if they lose the case it might "be worth it to draw attention to issue" and pretty sure lawyers do stuff like file a lawsuit to drag out info that will affect another planned case, etc.

"Employees are not being forced to take the vaccine. They can freely choose not to take the vaccine. Moreover, the employer is not testing the vaccine on its employees. Human testing occurred before the vaccine was authorized for emergency use."

Suddenly these 2021 Union Employment lawyers are talking like Coal Mine Owners from about 1805. Stuff like "Hostile Workplace" etc is never dismissed with "why don't they quit then?"

"Emergency Use" means its "still experimental" and it was never authorized only E-Use extended because FDA, like Building Dept that has a calendar for how much time "stake holders"(NIMBYs) have to respond after you post required notices and signs etc , has various set time blocks for things to happen and those rules haven't officially been gutted.

FDA rules, procedure and slowness has been widely blamed by Big Pharma for high drug prices for decades.

I'm really amazed "they" are moving this hard and fast even against the (in some ways) most legally protected class of workers/citizens.
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Old 09-17-2021, 9:39 AM
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I’m still waiting to hear what the union says. They haven’t said if they are going to fight it yet.
Isn't the entire point of a Union to battle for the individual rights of the worker? Why does the Union decide if they're going to fight this or not. If a Union member doesnt want it and feels its discriminatory, I dont see how the Union has a choice.

This is the whole problem. Unions, Representative Governments, etc. have completely forgot who they actually work for. THey work for YOU and US not for "The Union" or "the Agency".

Complete bull****.
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Old 09-17-2021, 9:49 AM
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That certainly seems to shoot down the statement by OCEquestrian regarding your union. Hopefully they will prevail.
My non-LEO, non-Public Sector union leadership has made statements like "As Union bosses we are in an awkward position caught between the need to defend worker's rights and not wanting to do anything that will hurt pushing Vaxx".

In other words its clear who's side they are on (and of course Union bosses are in the group that themselves will never be pushed into getting Vaxxed) but they might file a few designed to lose legal motions.
I'm guessing if they don't do anything they could in turn get sued for laying down on the job, so they are filing a few CYA loser motions to be able to say "We tried but the Courts have ruled".

In a few years it will come out that Union bosses and lawyers were pulling a General Millie.
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Old 10-14-2021, 5:51 AM
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Being federal I expect it sometime soon. Already vaxxed though so it really doesn't make a difference for me.
Idk dude we have ~120/~400 that are planning on bucking the system, that would mean mandatory OT, a possible switch to 12 hour shifts from 8’s, drawn out lockdown due to only being able to have 1 officer per housing unit. Idk how you guys do it at a low, but at the high/max we would have to feed in the cells which means theres also about a 500% increase in the volume of trash that has to be taken out.
A couple of lieutenants are planning on quitting over it too.
Its going to be a chit show.
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Old 10-14-2021, 6:02 AM
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Non LEO here. Stand strong of you don't want the shots.
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I am a physician. I am held to being "the expert" in medicine. I can't fall back on feigned ignorance and the statement that the patient should have known better than I. When an officer "can't be expected to know the entire penal code", but a citizen is held to "ignorance is no excuse", this is equivalent to ME being able to sue my patient for my own malpractice-after all, the patient should have known better, right?
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Old 10-14-2021, 7:56 PM
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Idk dude we have ~120/~400 that are planning on bucking the system, that would mean mandatory OT, a possible switch to 12 hour shifts from 8’s, drawn out lockdown due to only being able to have 1 officer per housing unit. Idk how you guys do it at a low, but at the high/max we would have to feed in the cells which means theres also about a 500% increase in the volume of trash that has to be taken out.
A couple of lieutenants are planning on quitting over it too.
Its going to be a chit show.
Our Vax rate is extremely high, the ones that didn't get the shot are already on their way out with retirements in the works. Our problem is we are bleeding staff and can't seem to hire enough COs. Already a chit show here, different reasons not related to the Vax.
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Old 10-14-2021, 8:24 PM
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I'm just going to ride this out until they issue Skelly notices and I'm out. Donated all my sick time to another guy and I'm burning PTO. I just want my non-punitive separation and whatever pension I gained in my decade with CCSF.
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Old 10-15-2021, 4:18 PM
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All eyes on Chicago right now.

I'm guessing State and Feds will grant Mayor Beetle Juice all sorts of support from State Cops, "mutual aid" from neighboring counties as if this was a legit crisis, Nasty Girls, and maybe even lots of Armed Guard private security.

If I was Big Gov't and Big Vaxx I'd break these Police Unions one at a time so concentrated units of replacement forces could be used in city after city, one after another.

Will be very interesting to see if Chicago PD's neighboring Dept's officers will work Chicago beats if told to or will they have "blue flu".

Sounds like Chicago is not the sort of city were you'd want to suddenly start policing as newbies to the area not really know what the hell is going on.

As is seems like all hell could break loose in Chicago (even more so) and they'd be sending Waste Management to pick up bodies like Soylent Green and Mayor Beetle Juice and Kamala would just take it in stride and congratulate themselves on the "now improving situation".
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Old 10-30-2021, 11:05 AM
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Is everyone still secure in their employment? Hope all are well. We’re still allowed to test in lieu of providing vax status. Expanded now to patrol from just corrections previously.
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Still good with mine. I work for a Sheriff's Office and the Corrections side of things is vaccine or test, from what I understand (haven't been in corrections for about five years now).

There's no requirement in the Field or in Investigations, at the moment.

There was a "requirement" to update whether one was vaccinated or not. I don't believe a lot of people did it and nothing came of it.

I think our agency was and is just waiting to see what happens. A local city agency put out a "vaccinate or terminate" mandate back in September and nothing came of it. Not sure what it's going to look like since Pfizer is now FDA approved.

Good luck and stay safe, everyone!
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Hold on to your panties, folks.
This crap's just getting started.
Sonoma County had added that the FLU vaccine is mandatory for all health care workers.
In the old days, you could just opt to wear a mask in lieu of the vaccine.
Not this year.

Sundari Mase made it mandatory.
Take a look at her resume and see who she used to work for.

If she has political aspirations, CA is screwed (well, even further than it is already).
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Getting close to our deadline, LT. came around collecting the status of everyone on shift today.
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Were not mandated to have it at this time but are required to do weekly testing. Almost no one has got it here. Lots of talk of quiting should it be mandated. Whats really burning us right now is most of the places that host trainings are requiring the shot also which is throwing a wrench in the works.
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Retired here. I have a question regarding officers/deputies quitting instead of getting the vaccine. Why quit instead of being fired? If you’re fired can’t you file a lawsuit to get reinstated with owed back compensation?
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Retired here. I have a question regarding officers/deputies quitting instead of getting the vaccine. Why quit instead of being fired? If you’re fired can’t you file a lawsuit to get reinstated with owed back compensation?
quittin the agency and laterally transferring to another one probably. But yea, getting reinstated is probably a better deal honestly.
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Ok, I can see quitting to lateral but if lateraling is not an option I think getting fired would allow the option to sue. Best of luck to all that’s facing this terrible dilemma.
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To be honest, I have no idea what option is better. I'm probably going to have to get vaccinated only for the birth of my kid soon. Don't want it, but I'm also not going to miss the birth of my son. Still struggling with the decision, but I got to decide real soon. Dilemmas.

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Yeah as caliprep said, is what i meant by lots of talk of quitting. There are a lot of lateral opertunities in other states that have better laws.
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