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Old 06-03-2021, 2:41 AM
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If I go out of state, in person, with my C&R license can I buy C&R long guns and handguns and bring them back myself?

Also, what if I don't have a COE yet?
I just got my C&R, DOJ is dragging butt on COE and I was invited on a trip to Reno this weekend so I can't wait. If I can't buy guns, that's that, but can I?
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Question.

If I go out of state, in person, with my C&R license can I buy C&R long guns and handguns and bring them back myself?



Also, what if I don't have a COE yet?

I just got my C&R, DOJ is dragging butt on COE and I was invited on a trip to Reno this weekend so I can't wait. If I can't buy guns, that's that, but can I?
Yes you can.

The COE is a CA thing. Doesn't mean anything to dealers in other states.

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Unfortunately a C&R license and a CA ID or DL doesn't mean anything to uninformed biased sellers in other states either. Expect some pushback here and there.
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Yes you can.

The COE is a CA thing. Doesn't mean anything to dealers in other states.

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But doesnt NV require all transfers through dealer? No exception made for C&R?
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But doesnt NV require all transfers through dealer? No exception made for C&R?
Here is your answer:

https://gunrightswatch.com/news/2019...onal-gun-laws/
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Ok, so of I were to buy a firearm with my C&R and bring it back, would I have any issues self registering it once I return if I don't have a COE yet?
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But doesnt NV require all transfers through dealer? No exception made for C&R?
I forgot they changed that.

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Ok, so of I were to buy a firearm with my C&R and bring it back, would I have any issues self registering it once I return if I don't have a COE yet?
No. Just submit it and pay the fee.

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But doesnt NV require all transfers through dealer? No exception made for C&R?
Correct.

Firearm transfers in NV must be done through a NV FFL dealer.

No exemptions for C&R firearms or for persons with valid C&R 03-FFLs.

There is an exemption for, Federally defined, antique firearms.
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in a quirk of CA laws, you don't need the COE to pick up out of state C&Rs and bring them back, but you do need a COE to transfer C&Rs in state. That seems backward to me when you consider what's going on in both those transactions, but whatever.
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in a quirk of CA laws, you don't need the COE to pick up out of state C&Rs and bring them back, but you do need a COE to transfer C&Rs in state. That seems backward to me when you consider what's going on in both those transactions, but whatever.
Umm No.

Anyone can "transfer" a C&R firearm to anyone else in the state of CA, and no C&R FFL and COE is needed. The transfer, like all others will need to be done at a CA Firearms Dealer.

IF you have a C&R FFL and a CA COE you may "acquire" a C&R long gun in state without the need of using a CA Firearms Dealer to do the "transfer".
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^^^ Anytime a gun changes hands it is a "transfer", FFL or no FFL


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A “transfer” includes any change in dominion or control of a firearm, whether temporary or permanent, commercial or noncommercial. A change in dominion or control may occur even when such change does not convey title to the firearm.
With a COE, a transfer of a C&R long gun in the state can happen directly to a 03 FFL, in a gas station parking lot or just about anywhere.

Without a COE, a transfer of a C&R long gun to a 03FFL must take place using the services of a 01 or similar FFL.

So he meant 'direct transfer'. And yes, it is a quirk of CA law that no COE is needed out of state to transfer C&R long gun to CA 03 FFL, and also while out of state CA 03FFL can direct transfer C&R handguns without a COE but while in the state, 03 FFL can never do a direct transfer of C&R handgun.
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Umm No.

Anyone can "transfer" a C&R firearm to anyone else in the state of CA, and no C&R FFL and COE is needed.
This is the C&R sub forum and the thread/question is specific to 03FFL acquisitions, not "generally all people buying guns", so my response was specific to that. It is factually accurate that an 03FFL and a COE are both required to submit the "In State Acquisition" form. Only an 03FFL is required to submit the "Out of State Acquisition" form.
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Good news. I was able to purchase 2 pistols while in Nevada this weekend. The vendors at the gun show were perfectly happy to sell to me with my 03 FFL. I got a great deal on a WW1 Ruby pistol and an even better deal on a 1916 DWM P08. I'm over the moon with both of them.

Reporting them on CFARS CRIS system for the first time turned into an adventure but I think I bumbled through it after a few attempts. Paid the $19 and they should be in process now. Hopefully they'll be cleared and registered soon!
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Good news. I was able to purchase 2 pistols while in Nevada this weekend. The vendors at the gun show were perfectly happy to sell to me with my 03 FFL. I got a great deal on a WW1 Ruby pistol and an even better deal on a 1916 DWM P08. I'm over the moon with both of them.

Reporting them on CFARS CRIS system for the first time turned into an adventure but I think I bumbled through it after a few attempts. Paid the $19 and they should be in process now. Hopefully they'll be cleared and registered soon!
I take it you were at the Convention Center show - New Frontier promoter?

I thought the show was "sort of" OK - a little light on the guns though. Saw one or two I could have pulled the trigger on, so to speak. Am hoping it was a combination of COVID and that summertime show always seems a bit slow. Looks like they had something to build on.

Good to know the transfer folks were up to speed. That probably makes the sellers a little easier to deal with, knowing it leaves them & goes to us through a transfer.
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N_S - did you actually go with your seller to the so called "transfer desk/tent" or did your seller sees your 03FFL and proceed with the sale normally (swap info)? Was your seller a NV resident or different state resident? Thanks.
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We just swapped info. I was told as an FFL03 that's all I needed.
One seller was an NV based FFL01 and another was an FFL03 from a different state.

Both were well aware that I'm a California resident and told me they sell to California based FFL03s all the time.
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We just swapped info. I was told as an FFL03 that's all I needed.
One seller was an NV based FFL01 and another was an FFL03 from a different state.

Both were well aware that I'm a California resident and told me they sell to California based FFL03s all the time.
Good to know, business as usual. My personal experience was the same in 1/2020, nobody went to use that "transfer tent" to call Metro.
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