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Old 02-04-2019, 9:38 AM
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Default Dillon 650 vs. 1050, which would you get

I am in the unique position of having wifey approval for either press I have searched and read all the previous posts on this subject.

I have a 650 now and quite a few quick change units set up for the various calibers I shoot.

I have lusted after a 1050 for a long time, why ? I really don't know, it just seems better than the 650. I get high primers often on the 650 if I don't de-prime and clean my brass first, I don't seem to get high primers if I de-prime and wet tumble my brass first. I think its crud left in the primer pocket that causes the issue, its not a big deal, out of 600 rounds I did over the weekend, I only had 4 high primers. The 1050 is supposed to have a much better priming system.

My initial thought was get a 1050 in the caliber I shoot the most and leave it that way, keep the 650 for all the other calibers. I am aware of the 1year warranty on the 1050 and frankly I don't think that will be a issue, I just don't shoot that much. Which brings up a good point, I only shoot 10,000 pistol rounds a year on average, primarily 3 different calibers requiring changing the 650 from small primer to large primer.

So I thought of getting a 650 bare bones from Dillon and having 2 presses, one small, one large primer. By the time you add the case feeder, etc. you are not far from a 1050.

Buy the 1050, get rid of 2 square deal presses and you are at the same price point as 650. I likely will get rid of the 2 square deals either way.

I tend to load .308 on a single stage so the swaging station on the 1050 is not a big deal unless its part of the better priming system by cleaning out primer pockets of crud, yes I know that is not the job of a swage, but it may do some cleaning anyway.

I like the 650 because I already own one and it can do everything I need. I WANT a 1050 for some illogical reason. If you had wifey approval, which would you get ?
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Old 02-04-2019, 11:24 AM
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I can't help but if you go with the 1050, I would be interested in buying your 650.

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Old 02-04-2019, 11:28 AM
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So just read your post more thoroughly. Looks like you plan on keeping the 650. I would also be interested in one of your square deal presses. PM me if you want to discuss.

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Old 02-04-2019, 11:29 AM
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yes - get the 1050 and don't look back.
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My initial thought was get a 1050 in the caliber I shoot the most and leave it that way, keep the 650 for all the other calibers.
This is absolutely the way to go.
I used to have 8 Dillon presses, a 450, 3 550's, 2 650's and 2 1050's.

I have now paired it down to just a 450, 550, 650 and 2 1050's.

Each press has things it's better and worse at.
550's and 650's rock when you are loading smaller batches (under 2000 rounds) at a time and then change the press over for a different cartridge.
1050's rock for high volume and because they swage primer pockets.
1050's suck at swapping cartridges.
I leave one 1050 setup for 9mm and the other for 223.
Those are my high volume cartridges.
I keep my 650 setup just for sizing, decapping and trimming 223.
Everything else I load on the 550 as the rest are all loaded in les than 1000 round lots.
I still have a bunch of quick changes for my 650 so if I someday load the 4500 rounds of 308 that I have components on-hand for, I will setup the 650 for such a run.
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unless you have zombies out side your door and your in a big hurry you only have 1 or 2 arms to load with.

It would be nice to have the money, room for all my calibers on its own press
ready to go but I cannot do that.

Plus you can only run 1 press at a time.

I have 2 press but use only 1 at a time and for me there is no hurry I do not mind changing over my 650 to other calibers.

Even the dreaded small primers to large primers and back again, I
change out the size disk but that's it.

l even use only 1 powder measure for 8 calibers I shoot.
with the powder die setup correctly on the tool head with the other dies, just move the measure from head to head.

When I retire and have time to shoot much more this will all change I'm sure

Any way My 2 cents
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Old 02-04-2019, 2:44 PM
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OP here, I see the posts about getting the 1050 and not looking back and I admit that is what I want to do. I just don't seem to have a favorite round and I see the 1050 in this case as a one caliber press since I have all the tool heads for the 650 and would not buy them for the 1050. I was just interested in what I think is a much better priming system on the 1050. And OK, I want a 1050 for no specific reason other than I want. I have 7 quick change toolheads for the 650, pretty well set up for 650.

Wife is saying go for the 650 AND another RF100 primer filler so I don't have to switch that from large to small.
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I like the 650 because I already own one and it can do everything I need. I WANT a 1050 for some illogical reason. If you had wifey approval, which would you get ?
You answered your own question. Get the 1050.
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Old 02-04-2019, 3:25 PM
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1050 for the priming station alone was worth it for me. That being said, wait for the rl1100.
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Changing calibers on a 1050 is pretty painless. Get a 1050 or two and be done.
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I have heard the 1050 doesn't have the same no questions asked warranty that the 650 has.
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^^^ True
I am happy with my 650.
If I were to get another it would be a 650 but I would set one up for small primers and the other for large primers.
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Switching calibers on the 1050 isn't terrible once you get used to it. You won't want to do it for a hundred rounds but still not bad.

I have a 1050 I use for 9mm and .223, maybe someday if I buy an M1A or AR10 I'll load .308 on it. Basically only stuff that could need swaged. It runs a lot smoother and faster than a 650. You will want a bulletfeeder.

I really enjoy my 650 as well, the caliber changes are easier and far cheaper. Toolhead alone is $28 for a 650 and $200 for a 1050. I do all brass prep on my 650 so the 1050 is kept clean. The swage is the big difference for me, not sure I'd spend the major coin on it if it weren't for that, not for as much as I shoot.
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I have 6 nephews and 2 nieces that reload here .
2 of their friends have 1050's . Both have had high primers .
My loadmaster does the depriming sizing on bottle necks ,
then to the pockets /flash holes get cleaned on case station .
A lot more work , but with others helping - not a big deal .
Not of Dillon's or any other press cleans the primer pockets .
At least I have not seen or heard of any .
If you just reload with out cleaning the cases , it really does
not matter which one you get .
If you want and can afford the 1050 - go for it .
Just remember there is going to be another learning curve .
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OP here, I went with a second 650 so I can have one setup for small primer and one for large. I really wanted the 1050 but decided this was more logical for me and with the money I saved, I bought a second RF100, so now I have one set up for small and one for large. Happy camper here.
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If I had more money than brains, I'd get the 1050. I went with the 650, and quick-change caliber conversions are only about a $30 difference between the 2, but the 1050 swagging built in might make the price difference of the press worth it... For high volume 5.56 brass.
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Good choice . Better to have 2 of same - less spare parts .
A lot of people post about their parts policy which means a lot of stuff has broken .
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Good choice . Better to have 2 of same - less spare parts .
A lot of people post about their parts policy which means a lot of stuff has broken .
I broke one part in 20 years of running up to 8 different Dillon presses from a 450 up through 1050's.
It was a part that had been re-designed years before I eventually broke it.
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There are 7 of us that reload on my loadmaster . [ bought it in the '70's]
I think the only part that has not been replaced is the red paint .
None of us are perfect and stuff breaks , wears out or is just questionable
to one of us . I order from ebay and Lee at same time . We are reloading
15 calibers - so shell plate and turrets get changed about every reloading
session . Unlike most people , after reloading - the dies get taken apart ,
cleaned in sonic and placed in a turret [ I buy the turrets 5 at a time -
cheaper ] the dies are set up every time they are used .
If it breaks once , better to have an extra spare part .
We all have friends that reload and 4 of them have Dillon's .
[as I know ] All 4 have asked if I have a part - then can they come over
to reload . The rest are pick a color .
We are given parts to many presses / old ammo / powder and often books
None of us are rich , so we get a lot of cases [ range brass ]
Yes we do dumpster diving for cartrige boxes . We put ones picked up in
boxes and next time some one says thats my case - they get ones we picked
up to .
People who never have broken a part are either lucky or ?
I get decapping pins about every 6 months [ 3 off ebay -if cheaper and Lee
sends 3 at a time for postage ] Only need the pins for bottle necks - pistol
cases are deprimed by hand , then primed by hand . We also prime bottle
necks by hand .
You would be surprised how many people don't have spare decapping pins.
Some people just come out and say - I just got a ZZZ and want to try
different powders - around 20 .
The closest we can get powder is about 20 miles away and no one sells 1/4
or 1/2 pound bottles of powder .
Oh well good luck to those that never break a part -
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Started way back with a RCBS Green Machine, than 4X4s and Ammo Master. Got rid of those because took to much tinkering. Bought a fully loaded 650, than added 2 550s, large & small primer. Just use the 650 for 9mm, 223 and big runs of 308 for the 1919A4. Every thing else on the 550s.
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1050 or bust.
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