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Old 12-28-2018, 1:45 PM
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Congrats dude. FWIW, I also have my NV permit, so if you wanted to qualify for NV, OR, WA,FL,AZ,UT - I would recommend making a trip out of it and get it all done in NV @ any NRA certified class (took mine @ 702 Rage) and that was with Live Fire to cover any Non-Rez permits that would require it - and you get NV which requires you take the class in the county you apply.
This.
While you can take a class in CA that satisfies AZ/FL, reciprocity laws do change frequently, so in addition to the "catch all" AZ/FL permits, it is absolutely a good idea to get permits from states that you frequent.
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Old 12-28-2018, 6:29 PM
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This.
While you can take a class in CA that satisfies AZ/FL, reciprocity laws do change frequently, so in addition to the "catch all" AZ/FL permits, it is absolutely a good idea to get permits from states that you frequent.
My thoughts exactly. CA, NV, UT, OR, WA & Enhanced ID. No need for reciprocity. Plus there is the issue of federal GFZs that I do not have to worry about.
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Plus there is the issue of federal GFZs that I do not have to worry about.
Can you explain this thought further? Does the CCW exception to the GFSZ not apply if you are carrying under a reciprocity agreement or is it something else?
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Can you explain this thought further? Does the CCW exception to the GFSZ not apply if you are carrying under a reciprocity agreement or is it something else?
Federal law provides an exemption for the holder of a CCW issued by "the state"... not "a state" or "any state"
Of course, "a state" or "any state" would imply 50-state reciprocity, so the only other way to word the statute would be "issued by the state, or a state recognized by the state"
AFAIK, it has not been tested in court.
It is a Federal law and it's not like there are Federal cops making traffic stops in school zones looking for violations.
It would likely be an add-on charge connected with arrest for another crime, likely a Federal crime.


Even when Theseus was convicted under 626.9 by an activist DA and judge, he was not also charged under Federal statutes.
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Can you explain this thought further? Does the CCW exception to the GFSZ not apply if you are carrying under a reciprocity agreement or is it something else?
Pretty much as Cokebottle said.

The statute is 18 USC § 922 (q)(2) --

"(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—

(i) on private property not part of school grounds;

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;"

So, reciprocity does not work.
See also http://www.wisconsincarry.org/media/...3gfsza__2_.pdf
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(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;"

So, reciprocity does not work.
See also http://www.wisconsincarry.org/media/...3gfsza__2_.pdf
Likewise, Constitutional Carry does not apply.
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