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Old 08-12-2019, 7:47 PM
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I'm looking to add another AK to my collection, and the SAM7 caught my eye. Those who have one, how do you like it? Any difference over a stamped AK?
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Now is the time to grab a Vepr. They are about to be sold out from distributors. I'm about to give up trying to get more after locking in 2 today with lots of begging and pleading.

The SAM7 is nice. But they are not banned.
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If you can pick up a lightly used one for 1100-1200, DO IT! Vepr's are way overpriced, people are asking 1400 bucks for those things.

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If you can pick up a lightly used on for 1100-1200, DO IT! Vepr's are way overpriced, people are asking 1400 bucks for those things.

$1400 is not overpriced for a Vepr. I thought my SGL23 was overpriced when I bought it at $1200. Now to get one here in CA, youíre lucky if you can find one under $2K. Vepr will be the same in 1-2 years.
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I had a beautifully converted VEPR awhile back, but someone offered me an exorbitant amount of money for it. I took the money and bought a SAM7R which is now the cornerstone of my AK collection. The VEPR was great, and I do miss it, but money talks. Can the SAM7R outshoot my WASR 10/63? Sure, but neither are exactly tack drivers. SAM7's are the price they are because of fit, finish and overall workmanship.
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Old 08-19-2019, 6:16 AM
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If you can pick up a lightly used on for 1100-1200, DO IT! Vepr's are way overpriced, people are asking 1400 bucks for those things.
prices are moving up fast now that they only have a few weeks of supply left. $1800 to $2000 is average price now. when they are only secondary market they will be well over 2k.
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prices are moving up fast now that they only have a few weeks of supply left. $1800 to $2000 is average price now. when they are only secondary market they will be well over 2k.

I didnít even think distributors had any left. If we only knew, $999 was a steal for these. Of course $899 was a steal for Saiga sgl21s too 😢
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sounds like its almost time to put my unfired vepr 7.62x54 for sale soon!
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This is an Arsenal post. Stay on point. With that said. SAM7SF and UF are badass rigs. The muzzle brakes on them are bulky and silly but the milled receivers are awesome and strong. I wouldn't hesitate to get one.
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I love my Arsenal. The milled receiver is heavier than one that is stamped. Excellent quality and reliability.
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Its milled AK goodness and a tank of a rifle. I love my SAM7
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Old 08-20-2019, 5:56 PM
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I love my Arsenals, one is a SAM7R, the other is a U.S. SA-M7. My stamped AK is a Bulgarian SSR 85 c2. It's got a 1.6 mil. receiver and type 3 parts. I would say it shoots nearly as well as the SA-M7. My SAM7R is unfired. A heavy receiver/ heavy barrel can make for a really nice AK. I picked up the SSR from a Calgunner recently. Try pricing one.

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I also really like my Arsenal SAM7R.
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they rock other than the crappy thin finish. I do like mine a lot.
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Hereís my SAM7 on the bottom. Has never failed me. Itís a keeper!

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Sam7 looks so tasty; Have only seen it in pictures, though.

Side note: Willing to pay for ammo to test a Calgunner's SAM7 at Burro/Angeles/ So Cal area
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I love my Arsenals, one is a SAM7R, the other is a U.S. SA-M7. My stamped AK is a Bulgarian SSR 85 c2. It's got a 1.6 mil. receiver and type 3 parts. I would say it shoots nearly as well as the SA-M7. My SAM7R is unfired. A heavy receiver/ heavy barrel can make for a really nice AK. I picked up the SSR from a Calgunner recently. Try pricing one.
I sold my SSR 85 C2 to a calgunner about 12 years ago, have been regreting that decision since then. It was built to last a nuclear war or sth like that. Heavy but weight center is balanced right.

Is yours with black polymer furniture, and welded muzzle brake? maybe my lost child
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I love my SAM 7R. The thing is smooth as silk and as solid as you'd expect from a milled Combloc AK. I have no regrets buying it and if I every have to part with it it will be one of the last rifles I let go of along with my Vepr.
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While I know intellectually that the stamped receiver AK's are functionally the same as a milled receiver, from my personal experience the milled rifles just shoot smoother. If I had a choice between a stamped vs milled rifle at roughly the same price, I would go for the milled rifle every time and twice on Sunday.

For some reason a SAM7 has eluded me due to other firearms popping up at attractive prices. I will get one pretty soon though and personally I think that $1400 in todays market is a decent price.

I hate to think of the money I have in my 1958 Polish Kbk-N. I don't regret it though as it is hands down the most accurate AK I have, even beating out my Valmet M62/S
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I love my SAM 7R. The thing is smooth as silk and as solid as you'd expect from a milled Combloc AK. I have no regrets buying it and if I every have to part with it it will be one of the last rifles I let go of along with my Vepr.
DO NOT PART WITH IT. I let my Galil go and regretted it ever since.

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I own 4 Veprs, just picked up a Super Vepr in .308 unfired for $950.

Iíd like to add another AK to the mix. Is the Arsenal a comedown from a Vepr? If so, where do I go if I want to top a Vepr?


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I sold my SSR 85 C2 to a calgunner about 12 years ago, have been regreting that decision since then. It was built to last a nuclear war or sth like that. Heavy but weight center is balanced right.

Is yours with black polymer furniture, and welded muzzle brake? maybe my lost child
I think they are the best stamped AK's made. Mine has black poly furniture, unthreaded muzzle, Armory USA. Maybe your lost child's cousin. Thanks for posting, seems only a few people know about these.

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While I know intellectually that the stamped receiver AK's are functionally the same as a milled receiver, from my personal experience the milled rifles just shoot smoother. If I had a choice between a stamped vs milled rifle at roughly the same price, I would go for the milled rifle every time and twice on Sunday.

For some reason a SAM7 has eluded me due to other firearms popping up at attractive prices. I will get one pretty soon though and personally I think that $1400 in todays market is a decent price.

I hate to think of the money I have in my 1958 Polish Kbk-N. I don't regret it though as it is hands down the most accurate AK I have, even beating out my Valmet M62/S
Ahhh, M62. Nice. I had an M76 many years ago, but I wanted a 62 because of the milled receiver. Never found one. Those are rare and EXPENSIVE animals. BTW, do you have the factory leather sling? Do you need one?

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Thanks, I appreciate the offer, but the very first thing I do after I buy a gun is to make sure I have all the proper accessories.

Gratuitous pic of the Valmet family:
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Thanks, I appreciate the offer, but the very first thing I do after I buy a gun is to make sure I have all the proper accessories.

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Nice pics! RPK is incredible, I can't imagine too many in the US, maybe a couple dozen? My 76 looked just like yours, with the wood. It would also fire two rounds at a time, on occasion. Never found the cause. Your collection brings back a lot of memories, thanks.
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My Sam7 is my only AK so I can't comment on other rifles, but this one has been solid. Then again, so has my Vepr Pioneer and PWS MK116 Mod 2 in 7.62x39.

Rifle started out as a CA compliant SF model, but spent some time at Three Rivers Arms in OKC and came back looking like this...I think it's a great improvement.

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$1400 is not overpriced for a Vepr. I thought my SGL23 was overpriced when I bought it at $1200. Now to get one here in CA, youíre lucky if you can find one under $2K. Vepr will be the same in 1-2 years.
I got mine brand new (SGL-23) at a pawn shop where the owner is a FFL dealer himself. The price and year I bought it was back in 13. He priced it at $1300 but I was able to talk him down to $1100. I think I did great on having the SGL-23 to come home in 10days.
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A SAM7 of any variation is the best new production rifle on the market. Really no argument to be made otherwise. The only complaints I ever see is the price and the crappy finish. While I do think the finish should be a lot more durable given the price, it’s not a deal breaker. You could re paint it with engine or appliance enamel for less than $10 and it would look great.


Edit: Another thing on the finish: don’t use strong solvents to clean your rifle. It will eat away at the paint. I don’t know how many people I’ve seen on the internet complain about the finish despite the fact that they used solvents that Arsenal says not to use.
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I own 4 Veprs, just picked up a Super Vepr in .308 unfired for $950.

Iíd like to add another AK to the mix. Is the Arsenal a comedown from a Vepr? If so, where do I go if I want to top a Vepr?


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Love my ACE’s, but prefer my Jeff Miller built AR clone with an OG Israeli barrel.

Yes OP, the SAM7 is GTG. Milled Bulgy goodness...
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[QUOTE=Mike-4;23340975]An IMI Galil or IWI Galil Ace.

Yes on the Galil, and an SSR 99 with a G spot. http://gtec2.com/gtec_history

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Glad I only paid $250 OTD for Bulgarian SLR95.
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